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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat if the young men giving the Nazi salute had done the exact same thing in 1958, not 2018
That is 60 years ago, just 13 years after the end of WWII. What would happen to every one of those who saluted? What would have happened to the photographer who told them to salute? Or the principal of that high school in charge of the event. In 1958 the horror of WWII was still alive. (and it still is, but evidently not in that high school) Think about what the Vets who fought in WWII who lived near that town, or in that town, would have done. What a total disgrace it would have been then. (as it is now) The Vets in Madison or Milwaukee.. Those cities are less than 80 miles from that place.. They fought against the Germans in WWII.
...Think if you can, how that would have been felt in 1958..Nazi Salute? How about this one..the last idea..
.....The President of the United States in 1958 was Dwight D. Eisenhower, who was a General in WWII and lead U.S. Soldiers against the Germans...
.........What would President Eisenhower have to say about this ugly display of hatred.? in 1958?
snort
(2,334 posts)They would have had the shit kicked out of them.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Nazi salutes in 1958? Your words, "had the shit kicked out of them." I agree..And that town would never, ever forget the day that those young men who saluted like Nazis, had the shit kicked out of them.
And neither would the young men themselves, or the photographer, or the school.
Raster
(20,998 posts)I had great uncles that fought and died in Europe to make sure the nazi scourge would not make it to the United States.
The principal of the school needs to be disciplined. The photographer who encouraged the kids needs to be run out of town on a rail.
And the one young man, Jordan Blue, needs to be thanked for his decency and his willingness to stand his ground!
Turbineguy
(37,312 posts)They need to be educated. They need to understand.
They don't need to have their lives ruined. At least not this once.
Journeyman
(15,031 posts)can only be changed for the better.
How many may have acted because of peer pressure, or ignorance? No need to ruin good lives for a stupid mistake.
Find the ringleaders, if possible, and determine then how to fully approach this situation.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)They have been or are being indoctrinated.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)But now in 2018, there are many, who do not have a view in there heads of the death camps, and hundreds of thousands of bodies of dead people in those camps.
..Or the true meaning of WWII as existed in 1958...or the first hand experiences of men in their late 30s and early 40s that fought in that horrific war.
And my opinion is you would not see that salute in Germany today. Because in Germany today, they teach their children the meaning of WWII and Hitler and that salute. It couldn't have happened in Germany today.
Olafjoy
(937 posts)They have taken American history. They know what that salute means and how many were murdered because of it. There is no excuse for gleefully doing a Nazi Salute. The punishment should be severe.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)So an up to date model . If this is funny to them what else ?
SweetieD
(1,660 posts)They know it is offensive which is why they think it is funny.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)He knew first hand about Nazis.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)the camps and take pictures. And sound and movie photographers were allowed in also. Why? Eisenhower wanted the world to see what the death camps were and how they killed people..The poison gas, and the furnaces etc.(that is after the allies took the camps over toward the end of the war)
......How was that conveyed to the citizens of the U.S.A?..Well most people in the 40s went to local movie theaters once a week to view the films that were popular. ..And in those movie theaters, there was 10 to 15 minutes of news reals. That is recent new films with sound and motion. Keep in mind, there was very little TV in the 40s. and what was in the newspapers was not a movie just pictures.
...So when Eisenhower allowed the photographers to film the death camps, he wanted the message to get out that this was one of the reasons that there was a WWII. So Eisenhower wanted the country to see those camps with the burying of the bodies in those camps and what the Germans did in those camps.
The news reals in the movie theaters spread the news on a weekly basis, with movies and views for everyone to see, in the same way that the nightly TV news does today. We don't know about news reals in movie theaters, because they don't exist now. But that is how Eisenhower wanted to spread the news of the horror of WWII that he witnessed.
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pnwmom
(108,973 posts)Stuart G
(38,414 posts)They are not the same. We will see. But the hands do not look like a wave to parents, but a salute..
Sneederbunk
(14,286 posts)Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Baraboo Superintendent Lori Mueller says she became aware of the photo Monday after it was posted on social media. Mueller says the photo was taken last spring during prom and wasn't on school grounds.
Mueller says the photo doesn't reflect the district's values and that administrators will pursue appropriate action. Baraboo police are also investigating. In a letter sent to parents, the district said they "are extremely troubled by the image."
Johnny2X2X
(19,021 posts)Do people think he didnt go to that cemetery to honor fallen Americans because they fell fighting Nazis? I bet you Neo Nazis think exactly that, that Trump wouldnt go to honor soldiers who fought against Nazis because he wouldnt want to dishonor his heritage and his inspiration.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)I was in school in 1958 and NO ONE would have even wanted to throw the Sieg Heil salute. 1958 was only 13 years after the end of WWII. We ALL knew what had happened. We all had family who served. The stories were still so fresh.
Back then, there was no such thing as white washed history.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)when I was in 6th grade, 1968, the boys in the class thought Nazi stuff was cool. Drawing swastikas on stuff, doing the salute, saying what they THOUGHT was "Heil Hitler," (although what they were actually saying was "Hi Ho Hitler."
"Hogan's Heroes" was a very popular sitcom at the time. The Nazis were portrayed as bumbling idiots, being made fools of by the very cool American colonel and other POWs.
The kids in my class weren't Nazis, White Supremacists, or anything else; they were just dumb kids doing something they thought was provocative.
In this pic I see a variety of stuff. A couple of the kids in the front row appear to be waving, one guy is giving a thumbs up, some have fists raised, some are doing the white power thingy, and, yes, some are doing a Nazi salute. They are dumb kids, and the best way to treat this is to NOT give them the attention they were clearly aiming to get. JMHO