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redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:25 PM Nov 2018

Ocasio Cortez is going to be a problem for our party just watch.

Now she is breaking with New York leaders on the Amazon headquarters. She is itching for a fight and will make us look like morons. This is a two year win people, we did not win the Senate, we did not win the White House. She could be a lightening rod for the right, someone needs to take her aside and tell her to temper herself. Of course Bernie won't but someone in the Democratic Party should.

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Ocasio Cortez is going to be a problem for our party just watch. (Original Post) redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 OP
I suspect that the people she represents will rein her in if she goes too far. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2018 #1
No but protesting at Nancy's office on your first day of orientation says a lot. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #3
Did you watch the video of her saying why she was at the protest? Blue_true Nov 2018 #9
Would you give me the synopsis? WhiteTara Nov 2018 #25
Lol. Apparently to DEMAND legislative action on climate change. Hortensis Nov 2018 #65
Oh my, that is definitely being confused. WhiteTara Nov 2018 #71
Right. There's a lot more power inside than out. Hortensis Nov 2018 #75
You are comparing her to Palin? ChubbyStar Nov 2018 #76
no, my dear Chubby WhiteTara Nov 2018 #83
I am not your dear ChubbyStar Nov 2018 #85
Well, alrighty then. WhiteTara Nov 2018 #88
Begging for a fight? ChubbyStar Nov 2018 #92
Here I am, Chubby. The comparison was between Hortensis Nov 2018 #95
Nope. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #93
Come On, Star ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #184
Demanding something of the incoming Speaker of the House even before she's been sworn in? George II Nov 2018 #106
That was what I was chuckling over. Kinda cute, Hortensis Nov 2018 #117
Who is her mentor? NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #123
She didn't protest JonLP24 Nov 2018 #149
I don't think it's so much why she was at the protest than that she WAS at the protest. George II Nov 2018 #125
She's already gone too far. kstewart33 Nov 2018 #171
I'm not that worried about it. maxsolomon Nov 2018 #2
Ding-Ding.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #8
Who are these "some"? wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #61
Look around... disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #165
You shouldn't keep omitting the ex-Republican connections R B Garr Nov 2018 #145
lol... OK disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #164
That's truly hilarious. The thing in common with anti-Democrat R B Garr Nov 2018 #168
The right sure is attacking her. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #11
That's been reason enough for many here on DU to say Pelosi is a "bad choice." ehrnst Nov 2018 #54
Ooph! NurseJackie Nov 2018 #89
Wait a minute! That's our job! Iggo Nov 2018 #135
The RIGHT is very triggered disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #166
I am not a fan of hers... nycbos Nov 2018 #4
I assume that Pelosi will have a talk with her at some point before January 3rd. Caliman73 Nov 2018 #77
Just about every elected Democrat in Queens is against tax handouts to Amazon BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #5
Not surprised. Some would rather our party do nothing with our new found power Tom Rivers Nov 2018 #26
Republicans are in control of the Senate for at least 2 years , maybe more. octoberlib Nov 2018 #43
No, it forces their hand Tom Rivers Nov 2018 #131
Agree mountain grammy Nov 2018 #138
Hearings on the important things, like climate change will help a lot getting it to the public. Autumn Nov 2018 #175
+1000 Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #60
But those other Democrats don't have Ocasio-Cortez's history, which riles some DUers Jim Lane Nov 2018 #158
Nailed it BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #159
spot on Celerity Nov 2018 #170
Absolutely! Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #172
Ocasio-Cortez Has Some Growing Up to Do dlk Nov 2018 #6
I will keep this post in mind when this goes forward. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #12
Kind of like Avenatti nt lillypaddle Nov 2018 #63
I think she needs to learn what can be changed and what probably cannot spooky3 Nov 2018 #155
She is young enough to survive the mistakes YessirAtsaFact Nov 2018 #7
It's often difficult to overcome a bad first impression. comradebillyboy Nov 2018 #35
She makes herself look naive. rogue emissary Nov 2018 #10
I see Independent in her future yes. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #13
Thing is, I'm fine with that. rogue emissary Nov 2018 #18
probably so... It might work out better for her if she can't be a collaborative player. hlthe2b Nov 2018 #115
I see rude awakening in her future. GoCubsGo Nov 2018 #192
Maybe she is just brash enough HopeAgain Nov 2018 #14
Well I was in the student movement in the Johnson era and I never went against a redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #16
How is having a position on Amazon HopeAgain Nov 2018 #20
Not as bad as her being present at the protest at Nancy's office. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #22
So why don't we talk about Climate Change more? HopeAgain Nov 2018 #45
We need to, but she has no power right now. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #47
So let's just sit back because we have no power? HopeAgain Nov 2018 #53
Really? ProfessorPlum Nov 2018 #189
"Hey, hey, LBJ! How many kids did you kill today?" nt. Mariana Nov 2018 #190
Give her a call ChubbyStar Nov 2018 #15
I emailed this morning, we shall see. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #17
Email is pointless Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #29
Doubtful. There's no way in hell that would work out for the right, because mostly, JCanete Nov 2018 #19
Her being present at the protest at Nancy's office is my main complaint. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #21
It is a protest that apparently Pelosi has welcomed, and if you watched the video included, Cortez JCanete Nov 2018 #23
She needs to sit back and learn, this is not hit the ground running. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #24
I disagree, for the very reasons I stated. Her visibility is valuable to getting the issues she JCanete Nov 2018 #30
I have been a working member of this party fore a long time "(not that you are)". redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #34
What? What agenda is that? You need to make that case, cuz that sounds way out of the box to me. nt JCanete Nov 2018 #37
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #39
The agenda is a far left one, from a new member. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #41
There is nothing far left about those positions. Quit using republican framing and maybe we could JCanete Nov 2018 #49
Too many people forget the Democratic Party is a Coalition. We can walk and chew gum...but... haele Nov 2018 #107
Very well said. kstewart33 Nov 2018 #173
hahahahha. Wow, so you've got nothing except an ad hominem. Okay. Glad we've cleared that up. nt JCanete Nov 2018 #48
Yes, God forbid we do anything about imploding global climate if it's "disruptive" hatrack Nov 2018 #162
She is one congress rep out of 435. She isn't that important. KWR65 Nov 2018 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #31
then, if you accept everythign you just said, how would she be a problem? That was your premise. JCanete Nov 2018 #32
Because the other side doesn't care, they will latch on to her and use her as a poster child redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #36
But when people say the same about Speaker Pelosi (in terms of being Celerity Nov 2018 #163
They'll do it anyway, at any time. Especially to women of color. SharonAnn Nov 2018 #188
She's a Betty that looks like a Veronica Ciaphas Cain Nov 2018 #28
Can you explain that analogy a bit more? irisblue Nov 2018 #42
They all lost. octoberlib Nov 2018 #52
In the Archies, wasn't Betty the one who often started trouble and in-fighting? TheBlackAdder Nov 2018 #96
What is there to support about the Amazon decision? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #33
Exactly SubjectTrip Nov 2018 #112
Representatives are much more focussed on what matters to their district jberryhill Nov 2018 #38
She's right to speak out on the tax breaks and other freebies DeminPennswoods Nov 2018 #40
I agree, but the people who might find a job might not. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #44
These are corporate HQ's... vi5 Nov 2018 #50
Yep, I'd bet few of these jobs DeminPennswoods Nov 2018 #104
Why would that be a problem? fescuerescue Nov 2018 #176
Amazon is a publically traded company Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2018 #67
Fine, then they don't need tax subsidies DeminPennswoods Nov 2018 #105
Then talk to the powers that be in NYC Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2018 #133
I'm happy my state "lost" out DeminPennswoods Nov 2018 #161
I agree. I can't believe this is even controversial. I think people just want to hate this woman SweetieD Nov 2018 #178
Actually other Democrats are now coming around to her original position on Amazon. vi5 Nov 2018 #46
Good grief, I am not saying Amazon is right. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #51
What makes you think you know "the system" any better than AOC? Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #66
Um. She had NO CHALLENGER. geezus. Bfd Nov 2018 #152
Not in the primary. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #174
No one campaigned against her. No One. She should have had to fight the battle Bfd Nov 2018 #180
You and I are usually on the same page but Ocasio might just change things MaryMagdaline Nov 2018 #129
This message was self-deleted by its author Bfd Nov 2018 #151
The tax ensentives are happening on a state and local level. LuvLoogie Nov 2018 #57
So she does not represent her district? vi5 Nov 2018 #114
Of course she represents her district, but the deal is done it seems. LuvLoogie Nov 2018 #128
Wow, who knew. vi5 Nov 2018 #130
It was you who brought her up in the context of Amazon and tax give-aways. LuvLoogie Nov 2018 #132
It's really not that interesting BannonsLiver Nov 2018 #186
I look forward to her energy and passion for the causes that are dear to me. I love the diversity Nanjeanne Nov 2018 #55
Same here. Like a puppy, she will learn to conserve her energy. Blue_true Nov 2018 #121
Don't care for her Meowmee Nov 2018 #56
Call her and let her know ChubbyStar Nov 2018 #59
I think you're missing Meowmee Nov 2018 #157
Love her. Iggo Nov 2018 #136
Bull matt819 Nov 2018 #58
I am thinking Alan Grayson. Sneederbunk Nov 2018 #62
Oh I have to agree with you!! Thekaspervote Nov 2018 #156
Spot on kcr Nov 2018 #181
Newest Attention Seeker... LovingA2andMI Nov 2018 #64
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #68
BREAKING: NYC Council Speaker is breaking from NYC Leaders... brooklynite Nov 2018 #69
The right & Trumpsters will hold her up as the poster child representing all of the Left elocs Nov 2018 #70
I like her spirit Buckeyeblue Nov 2018 #72
she may run for president Joe941 Nov 2018 #73
Not in 2020.... Adrahil Nov 2018 #87
Too young by 6+ years. nt Blue_true Nov 2018 #122
I think she only cares about her district and constituents AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #74
She might be, but could end up being an asset, too. It's her call DFW Nov 2018 #78
I'm afraid she'll go the way of Alan Grayson. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2018 #79
That's a very apt comparison. It would be a shame if that happened. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #169
In her 1st day she has become a 1st class pain in the ass. Fox News couldn't be happier. Botany Nov 2018 #80
Yes it's horrible to tell the protesters we must let leader Pelosi know we have her back in Autumn Nov 2018 #81
She'll be much more of an asset than a problem. Yavin4 Nov 2018 #82
I like her. David__77 Nov 2018 #84
She is "our party" Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2018 #86
I have never been impressed with AOC Gothmog Nov 2018 #90
She needs to learn quickly, or she may be "one-and-done". NurseJackie Nov 2018 #91
' you never get a second-chance to make a first impression' melman Nov 2018 #97
It's all subjective, of course, but ... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #100
Wow, that's an interesting twist on "judging someone". As for me, I based my successful career.... George II Nov 2018 #103
Agreed! That certainly makes MORE sense than... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #108
lol melman Nov 2018 #139
... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #141
Woof, woof! George II Nov 2018 #142
Who's a good boy?! NurseJackie Nov 2018 #143
You're so right about that - her mistakes could do her in FakeNoose Nov 2018 #98
She is the best melman Nov 2018 #94
I don't see it that way. pwb Nov 2018 #99
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #101
Nobody is bashing her. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #111
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #116
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #134
Same window "Any Dem Anywhere" went out of. Iggo Nov 2018 #140
You say problem I say opportunity Corvo Bianco Nov 2018 #102
We are all entitled to our opinion Chickensoup Nov 2018 #109
How do you figure that "Nancy is far more of a problem"? NurseJackie Nov 2018 #113
The nonstop ATTACKS of our LEADER on this board FUCKING INFURIATE ME Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #127
The GOP attacks Nancy Pelosi because she is so very effective Gothmog Nov 2018 #119
A problem in that she is going to finally drag it out of the 90's and into the 21st century? SubjectTrip Nov 2018 #110
the 90's were over a long time ago, the party has already moved beyond the 90's. JHan Nov 2018 #118
She is going to do just fine. Dave Starsky Nov 2018 #120
I was not happy to see her beat Crowley or get into other races. Blue_true Nov 2018 #124
Amazon is the new plantation, updated for the 21st century. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #126
Nah. Iggo Nov 2018 #137
Meanwhile, Steny Hoyer is presenting a direct threat to Pelosi's leadership chances SubjectTrip Nov 2018 #144
Why are you spreading disinformation? Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #148
This thread is a great example of the failures of teaching civics in our schools BannonsLiver Nov 2018 #187
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2018 #193
Source? That is not true. Bfd Nov 2018 #182
Yes, agreed. nt R B Garr Nov 2018 #146
It's about damn time someone breaks with New York's leaders. SaschaHM Nov 2018 #147
+1000 JonLP24 Nov 2018 #153
Using Amazon is a bad example JonLP24 Nov 2018 #150
Not worried sfwriter Nov 2018 #154
Look; the voters have spoken. Onyrleft Nov 2018 #160
Nobody is trying to do that. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #167
Meh. You are giving her more credit and power than she merits. KPN Nov 2018 #177
Said this from day one. djg21 Nov 2018 #179
The concern for her presence is only "a threat" in the Media's need for drama. Bfd Nov 2018 #183
Talk to her voters DeafAngelboy23 Nov 2018 #185
Let her get sworn in and learn her way around DC before we start jumping on her struggle4progress Nov 2018 #191
She's gonna be a problem for the right.... disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #194

CaliforniaPeggy

(150,211 posts)
1. I suspect that the people she represents will rein her in if she goes too far.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:28 PM
Nov 2018

I think we need to keep an eye on her and let things play out.

I mean, she just got elected. Jumping to conclusions is not a good idea.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
9. Did you watch the video of her saying why she was at the protest?
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:39 PM
Nov 2018

If you didn't I suggest that you do. She appears to admire Nancy Pelosi and look up to the new Majority Leader of the House.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
65. Lol. Apparently to DEMAND legislative action on climate change.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:57 PM
Nov 2018


Oh dear. She seems a little unclear on the concept of her new role. She's not the only one. Only 5% of her district voted at all, 11% of registered Democrats, and the Wednesday morning Ocasio-Cortez surprise may have been as much for her as everyone else.

Time will tell if she learns to appreciate the greatness of the cooperation and compromise sausage-making that is the essence of legislative democracy.

Itm, my strong suggestion would be to ignore her. Give her time. Without attention, attention-seeking politics will fail. When's the last time anyone noticed Sarah Palin?

WhiteTara

(29,784 posts)
71. Oh my, that is definitely being confused.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:18 PM
Nov 2018

She gets to make legislation, she doesn't have to beg for it. She needs to get her ass on the environmental committee and start making those laws.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
75. Right. There's a lot more power inside than out.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:28 PM
Nov 2018

Last edited Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:04 PM - Edit history (1)

But is she actually interested in being on the environment subcommittee of the energy committee? I think this is the one that handles climate policy, but probably not a whole lot will be accomplished with the senate and WH still in Republican hands. She may have problems blaming the Democrats for everything, but then again maybe not. Rep. Paul Tonko's the ranking member so in line to become the new chair.

There're also environmental subcommittees under the appropriations and science committes, plus many subcommittees that undoubtedly impact on climate issues, like ag, water police, many others.

http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/x/754026/Renewables/PostElection+Energy+and+Environment+Outlook+for+LameDuck+Session+and+the+116th+Congress:

With Democrats regaining control of the House, the introduction, consideration and House passage of ambitious bills on climate and clean energy could be possible. Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has also pledged to reconvene a select committee on climate change that could lead efforts on such legislation and conduct oversight should she be re-elected Speaker of the House. However, stronger Republican control in the Senate – to say nothing of the legislative filibuster – means these bills are not likely to receive a vote in the Senate and will be primarily used as messaging instruments for Democrats.

No matter where she's assigned, she'll have a huge learning curve. Hope she appreciates it because I'm feeling jealous looking at dozens of committee names. Like a college catalog but better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_House_of_Representatives_committees

Btw, good news regarding the science committee: Democrats are bringing back science and ousting muck and mysticism. Those fires are from global warming, not Satan's demons operating through the Democratic Party.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
95. Here I am, Chubby. The comparison was between
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:11 PM
Nov 2018

two highly charismatic female politicians who are both notably good on stage and who both rocketed to national stardom. It was in no way a comparison of ideology or intelligence. Palin's old enough to be Ocasio-Cortez's mother and still dumb as 2 bags of rocks.

Ocasio-Cortez is, however, very young and inexperienced and she's unexpectedly managed to land an extremely competitive and coveted position which she could lose almost as quickly in 2 years. She needs to learn really fast. First impressions and all, she's only one of many newbies needing to hit the ground running.

And after all, that group is supposed to be demanding action from her, and she's supposed to be wondering how and if she's going to be able to come through. She's about to run smack into Republican power and, one hopes, come to understand what it means for her as a U.S. congresswoman.

Oh. Forgot my Palin point: Getting media attention as an ex- isn't nearly as easy as it is while in power. Just ask Palin.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
93. Nope.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:09 PM
Nov 2018
Do I have that right?
Nope. That's not how I see it at all. (But, I'm not super sensitive or easily offended by such things.)

ProfessorGAC

(66,070 posts)
184. Come On, Star
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 01:05 PM
Nov 2018

You know that is not what Hortensis meant. And this is coming from a pal.

I didn't like her bit yesterday either. Who does that on their first day on a new gig?

Get a new job and the first thing you do is tell the VP of operations everything they've been doing wrong for 20 years?

The topic hardly matters.

George II

(67,782 posts)
106. Demanding something of the incoming Speaker of the House even before she's been sworn in?
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:47 PM
Nov 2018

I thought it was the job of a Congressperson / Legislator to WRITE legislation, not demand that someone else do it. Who is her mentor?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
117. That was what I was chuckling over. Kinda cute,
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 07:37 PM
Nov 2018

but she's going to discover that she's on the "buck stops here" end now.

It seems that she still has to internalize what it means to have Republicans control the WH and senate, and also to understand the significant difference between having only a majority in the house versus control of the house.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
123. Who is her mentor?
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 08:00 PM
Nov 2018

Good question. Someone, preferably one of the Democratic women, needs to take her in hand and tell her some hard truths. Like about behavior. And listening. And learning. She's not playing to the Berniecrats here, although she seems to be acting like it. Pelosi is a LOT smarter, and so are the experienced Democratic representatives.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
149. She didn't protest
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:45 AM
Nov 2018

Protestors were already there she spoke to them.

I thought I trashed all these AOC threads.

maxsolomon

(33,620 posts)
2. I'm not that worried about it.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:31 PM
Nov 2018

The Right is going to target her even if she keeps her head down. She's charismatic and attractive and a minority.

Gird your loins.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
8. Ding-Ding..
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:38 PM
Nov 2018

"She's charismatic and attractive and a minority. "

the problem we have is that some towards the left spectrum don't like that about her either...

R B Garr

(17,082 posts)
145. You shouldn't keep omitting the ex-Republican connections
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 11:01 PM
Nov 2018

to Justice Democrats — who are funded by supposed ex-Republicans like Cenk Uyger — who went from an anti-Democrat Republican to an anti-Democrat “progressive,”. We know these types exist from the Mueller investigation. I’m talking about the ex-Republican aspect, so no need to ask.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
164. lol... OK
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 09:45 AM
Nov 2018

I rather align with ex-republicans that are unabashed progressives now vs so-called Dems that support Republican policy & the trump and ppl like you think the party should snuggle with... you know they exist so please don't ask who they are.. because there is a post ban contingent here that I am not falling for...

R B Garr

(17,082 posts)
168. That's truly hilarious. The thing in common with anti-Democrat
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 10:12 AM
Nov 2018

Republicans and anti-Democrat “progressives” are that they are anti-Democrat. The Mueller report clearly shows who was used to attack Democrats, so it’s time to face reality.

So if anyone gets Trump, it’s those who went against Democrats. There’s big money in attacking Democrats. Cenk got millions from another Republican to fund his endeavors in switching from being conservative to being anti-Democrat “progressive”. They have Trump policy now, yet they still lie about Democrats. We have Trump because of that lying, so it’s pretty clear who is more comfortable with “Republican policy & the trump” (your words).

nycbos

(6,055 posts)
4. I am not a fan of hers...
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:32 PM
Nov 2018

... but I have my misgivings about Amazon. The city is already insanely expensive and this will make it more so.


But someone needs to take her aside. Protesting against your party's floor leader is moronic.

Caliman73

(11,764 posts)
77. I assume that Pelosi will have a talk with her at some point before January 3rd.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:31 PM
Nov 2018

She's young and full of energy right now, which is good. She just needs to understand how the best way to be effective in the legislature.

BeyondGeography

(39,434 posts)
5. Just about every elected Democrat in Queens is against tax handouts to Amazon
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:33 PM
Nov 2018

and is worried about its impact on housing costs. But why let that get in the way of another DU AOC panic attack?

Tom Rivers

(459 posts)
26. Not surprised. Some would rather our party do nothing with our new found power
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:54 PM
Nov 2018

Than actually hold our leaders and corporations accountable for abuses.

What's the point of even having power if we aren't going to advance the changes (climate change, voting rights, gun control reform, healthcare, equality, etc., etc.) that we were advocating for on the campaign trail.

Either elections have consequences, or they're just a glorified dog and pony show.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
43. Republicans are in control of the Senate for at least 2 years , maybe more.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:03 PM
Nov 2018

there will be no new legislation passed on climate change, voting rights. gun control reform or equality. Just a fact. I have a feeling Pelosi will still be blamed .

Tom Rivers

(459 posts)
131. No, it forces their hand
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:06 PM
Nov 2018

Put the legislation forward, show the American people what would be accomplished if the republican Senate got out of the way. Show a direct contrast, don't do nothing just because it won't pass the Senate or would get vetoed.

Autumn

(45,145 posts)
175. Hearings on the important things, like climate change will help a lot getting it to the public.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:08 PM
Nov 2018

Legislation isn't the only thing Nancy can use.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
158. But those other Democrats don't have Ocasio-Cortez's history, which riles some DUers
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 01:36 AM
Nov 2018

So, yeah, what we see is "another DU AOC panic attack". Get used to it.

Here's a handy guide:
* If you criticize Hillary Clinton, it's because you're uncomfortable with assertive women, and you're a misogynist.
* If you criticize Tulsi Gabbard, it's because you're concerned about the future of the Democratic Party.
* If you criticize Nancy Pelosi, it's because you're uncomfortable with assertive women, and you're a misogynist.
* If you criticize Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, it's because you're concerned about the future of the Democratic Party.

All women are equal, but some are more equal than others.

dlk

(11,697 posts)
6. Ocasio-Cortez Has Some Growing Up to Do
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:34 PM
Nov 2018

She’ll either figure out how to actually accomplish something in DC by channeling her energy in productive ways or she’ll move on. She won’t be able to sustain the antics for any length of time.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
12. I will keep this post in mind when this goes forward.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:40 PM
Nov 2018

I liked her at first, but she needs to sit down and learn some things before jumping into the fray.

spooky3

(34,692 posts)
155. I think she needs to learn what can be changed and what probably cannot
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 01:17 AM
Nov 2018

and I think Amazon is a done deal. Her energy can be very helpful if directed toward the right issues.

rogue emissary

(3,149 posts)
10. She makes herself look naive.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:40 PM
Nov 2018

I think she'll announce she's an independent as soon as she doesn't get her way. The right will love focusing their energy on her. They won't realize it'll be Democrats that are labeled establishment or centrist getting actual legislation submitted.

rogue emissary

(3,149 posts)
18. Thing is, I'm fine with that.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:47 PM
Nov 2018

Some people aren't joiners, and if they aren't on the outside. They don't know what to do with themselves. I find it funny the protester never thought to see if Pelosi was against their demands. They just decided to protest at one of her offices. Not realizing she had previously stated she wanted the committee reinstated.


GoCubsGo

(32,142 posts)
192. I see rude awakening in her future.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:10 PM
Nov 2018

She is young and naive. Once she actually has to do her job, and she sees how the House actually works, she'll likely change her tune. And, if she actually does turn Independent, she does so at her own peril. Lone wolves don't get very far in our Congress.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
14. Maybe she is just brash enough
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:43 PM
Nov 2018

to advocate for what is right rather than what centrists deem to be politically expedient. 2016 was a complete disaster and 2018 was probably more about Trump than political change.

I keep thinking about how the establishment Dems probably felt the same way about the student movements in the Johnson era.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
16. Well I was in the student movement in the Johnson era and I never went against a
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:44 PM
Nov 2018

sitting Democrat. A Democrat during that time was so much better for us as antiwar and civil rights activists than any Republican, just like it is now.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
22. Not as bad as her being present at the protest at Nancy's office.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:51 PM
Nov 2018

We will not always agree, but it is best done in committee, and in majority meetings, not in the press where they can use it to say "see they don't get along" "there are problems in the democratic party". I need her to sit back and learn for 6 months or so.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
45. So why don't we talk about Climate Change more?
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:04 PM
Nov 2018

She was supporting people who want to bring attention to a world threatening problem. If she is not a third-way, centrist
Democrat, she shouldn't have to act like one. Someone needs to push and make the Democrats more uncomfortable so that we never, ever, get as comfortable as we did in 2016, IMHO. Unless you like doing the same thing over and getting the same results, that is.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
47. We need to, but she has no power right now.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:06 PM
Nov 2018

Democrats have always been in favor of working to protect the environment. That will be on the front burner.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
53. So let's just sit back because we have no power?
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:11 PM
Nov 2018

Where do you think power comes from? If we sucessfully silence AOC, the party, and AOC will lose that groundswell of support she brings. Keep shooting ourselves in the foot just because we are Democrats?

ProfessorPlum

(11,289 posts)
189. Really?
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:21 PM
Nov 2018

Johnson, and Kennedy before him, was largely responsible for starting/keeping us in Vietnam. and the architects of Johnson's war were his Democratic cabinet members. Nixon was hideous on the subject, but Johnson even deliberately lied (we know now) to get us further into that war.

and you never "went against" a sitting Democrat? Not even the Dixicrats of the old south?

what exactly do you think the student movement was about?

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
19. Doubtful. There's no way in hell that would work out for the right, because mostly,
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:48 PM
Nov 2018

her platform is on issues that are widely popular. If they try outrage about her advocacies, that's only going to give visibility to those solutions. If she looks inexperienced and ignorant, sure, they'll try to use that, but they aren't going to have the same purchase with her that they've had with far long-standing political voices like Pelosi and Clinton.

What exactly are you even referring to that has so far been a problem?

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
21. Her being present at the protest at Nancy's office is my main complaint.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:49 PM
Nov 2018

I see her as a grandstander, one who likes being on TV and doesn't always have the best intentions.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
23. It is a protest that apparently Pelosi has welcomed, and if you watched the video included, Cortez
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:52 PM
Nov 2018

had respectful things to say about Pelosi. Could you elaborate on your actual issue here?


And why wouldn't she use her current media popularity(which can be fleeting) to promote good progressive causes? Isn't that what somebody should do with that opportunity? Call me crazy.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
24. She needs to sit back and learn, this is not hit the ground running.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:53 PM
Nov 2018

Most new Congresspeople who do that don't last very long, I would rather she last a while.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
30. I disagree, for the very reasons I stated. Her visibility is valuable to getting the issues she
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:56 PM
Nov 2018

cares about into the main-stream consciousness. Granted, that is rife with challenges, because she is young, and she is green.

But I don't see why she won't wont last a while. She's popular where she is right now, and I don't know how fighting and being visible can hurt her on that front.

I'm not sure why you think her promoting good issues will hurt her with her constituents. It may put a target on her back, but if its from our own side, I'm not sure why you'd be supportive of that(not that you are).

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
34. I have been a working member of this party fore a long time "(not that you are)".
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:59 PM
Nov 2018

I would support her as long as she helps us put Trump and his minions where they belong, on the sidelines. Right now, she is putting an agenda forward that will help them keep their power. That I have a serious issue with. I can't have the progressive issues I want right now, I am working slowly through the system to get there. I am old enough to realize you don't get anything this way.

Response to JCanete (Reply #37)

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
49. There is nothing far left about those positions. Quit using republican framing and maybe we could
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:07 PM
Nov 2018

move forward.

haele

(12,753 posts)
107. Too many people forget the Democratic Party is a Coalition. We can walk and chew gum...but...
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:49 PM
Nov 2018

...we often walk slowly and chew gum carefully because we have to watch where we step and don't want to trip and choke ourselves on our gum. We also are always on the lookout for the garbage can to deposit our gum in once we're done, because littering sucks.

Here's another way of putting this reality.

Republicans believe in policy bumper stickers. They cover up the flaws in the GOP leadership's "vehicle" of choice. Unfortunately, the GOP tends to be addicted to flashy lemons, so they need lots of bumper stickers and J.B Weld to keep that car running.

However, the Democratic party works with "platform planks" - different sized solutions that make a bridge to go forward as we get over issues that challenge us as a society. But to get where we need to be, everyone needs to work together and put the planks down in some form of stable pattern. We may need to go back and change planks up, move them around, but we still need to work together to go forward.

We have to work together, even if we don't exactly agree about the relative importance that someone else has placed on their particular plank. Coalitions are like that.

Haele

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
173. Very well said.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 11:48 AM
Nov 2018

At times, the Dem party resembles a herd of cats. Very difficult to unify which requires compromise. And often, too many Dems don't want to compromise.

Response to KWR65 (Reply #27)

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
32. then, if you accept everythign you just said, how would she be a problem? That was your premise.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:58 PM
Nov 2018

I don't think you can have it both ways.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
36. Because the other side doesn't care, they will latch on to her and use her as a poster child
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:00 PM
Nov 2018

for what is wrong with our party.

Celerity

(44,467 posts)
163. But when people say the same about Speaker Pelosi (in terms of being
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 08:27 AM
Nov 2018

a lightning rod and a target for Fox News and the rest of RW media) people say 'Who cares? We will not be defined by Republican assholes!'.

But now with AOC it's 'OMG she is a lightning rod for Fox News and RW media! Toss her in the ocean!'

Its utter and rank hypocrisy.

This entire thing (about the protest about what AOC said) was kicked off here yesterday by a dishonest tweet that incorrectly framed what happened. It turned into a ratpack attack with literally NONE of the first attacker's having a single thing correct about what happened.

It escalated to people scurrilously attacking AOC though ultra dodgy RW guilt-by-association games where she was called a Farrakhan associate/fellow traveller and also included calls for her to be immediately primaried.

Disgusting to see on a so-called Democratic website.

Ciaphas Cain

(124 posts)
28. She's a Betty that looks like a Veronica
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:55 PM
Nov 2018

Nobody had a problem with her when she flew around the country stumping for people she hadn't even ever met before.

irisblue

(33,149 posts)
42. Can you explain that analogy a bit more?
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:03 PM
Nov 2018

Welcome to DU
Ciaphas Cain
28. She's a Betty that looks like a Veronica

Nobody had a problem with her when she flew around the country stumping for people she hadn't even ever met before.

TheBlackAdder

(28,352 posts)
96. In the Archies, wasn't Betty the one who often started trouble and in-fighting?
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:13 PM
Nov 2018

.

I believe that analogy describes someone who people like on the outside, but deep down, there's trouble.

.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
38. Representatives are much more focussed on what matters to their district
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:01 PM
Nov 2018

Which inevitably produces a range of priorities.

Let's not pretend that everyone in the caucus on the House side is supposed to be a cookie-cutter duplicate of everyone else.

DeminPennswoods

(15,348 posts)
40. She's right to speak out on the tax breaks and other freebies
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:02 PM
Nov 2018

being given to Amazon. Jeff Bezos is one of the, if not the, richest people in the world. But, hey, let's hand over M$s of dollars in tax breaks denying money to everything else that needs it.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
44. I agree, but the people who might find a job might not.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:04 PM
Nov 2018

These tax breaks have been given forever for fewer jobs. I don't like them but it is the reality we live with. My main problem with her is her being present at Pelosi's office during the protest, not matter what she said.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
50. These are corporate HQ's...
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:07 PM
Nov 2018

...most of these jobs are going to be transfers from other offices, or people who are recruited and are willing to move around the country for jobs.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
176. Why would that be a problem?
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:11 PM
Nov 2018

Those folks will still be working and paying taxes in that new locality.

And amazon isn't exactly stagnant or shrinking. They are growing amazingly fast. This means that many WILL be new jobs, and the people moving will leave open positions behind that get filled.

DeminPennswoods

(15,348 posts)
105. Fine, then they don't need tax subsidies
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:46 PM
Nov 2018

If they want to open another office, finance and build it out of earnings.

DeminPennswoods

(15,348 posts)
161. I'm happy my state "lost" out
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 07:57 AM
Nov 2018

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported the state offered Amazon 4.6B in tax breaks, etc. That much money can fix a lot of broken things like roads, bridges, education. I don't believe cities and states should have to compete in contests of who can give away the most to attract business.

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
178. I agree. I can't believe this is even controversial. I think people just want to hate this woman
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:15 PM
Nov 2018

for anything. The terms of this move are really bad and will have a negative ripple effect on the community by pushing people out through the raising of rents and taxes.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
46. Actually other Democrats are now coming around to her original position on Amazon.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:05 PM
Nov 2018

SHe was the only one back in 2017 to not sign a letter in which all other Democrats in the area fell all over themselves to see whose lips fit better on Jeff Bezo's posterior.

Now that they got the gig and realize just how much the city is going to lose on this deal, the others are agreeing with her.

Whatever else you want to say about her, and yes there is plenty to criticize, on this issue she is taking the position that most Democrats should be taking which is that we should not be handing out billions of dollars to the biggest companies in the world,with no strings attached. Especially to a union unfriendly company such as Amazon and especially given that most research shows that states and areas that enter into these bargains end up losing more than they gain.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
51. Good grief, I am not saying Amazon is right.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:08 PM
Nov 2018

What I am saying is she needs to see how the system works, she is putting herself in a position to be used by the other party to hurt ours. She needs to learn, as some on DU need to, that as much as we want change now, we won't get it now. We have to work within the system we are given. As more and more young people engage, 22 percent I believe in the last election, they can change this system they hate so much. Until then, they have to work hard within the system we have.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,421 posts)
66. What makes you think you know "the system" any better than AOC?
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:00 PM
Nov 2018

Work with the system we have been given? You mean the system that hasn’t inspired young people to vote? That system?

She went out and organized a truly grassroots campaign and go herself elected to Congress. So far I’m pretty impressed.

Maybe her bashers and critics on our side need to sit down and listen.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
180. No one campaigned against her. No One. She should have had to fight the battle
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:21 PM
Nov 2018

KA Sharice Davids fought., in a Red District, with challengers & big names coming from out of State to campaign against her.

AOC's election was a cake walk compared to others who won against the most insurmountable odds.

These are the faces of the future Dem Party.
Nothing came easy to them in their win, & the kudos goes to these remarkable competent women fighters.

They have just proven how well equipped they are to take on the corrupt Republicans in Congress.
And THAT is the first & most urgent priority that they will be asked to consider.

They stand together under the umbrella of the Great Democratic Party.
Its not some cool campaign photo op that got them this far.

I will watch to see the same grit from the other new members.
AOC should easily be able to unite & join in support for her Party as they set out to correct the disasters from the Republican failure to this country.

We have some damned tough new electees heading into Congress.
They have already proven their strength through the tough battle they just fought to get that coveted seat in Congress.

They all come with their own personal election battle scars & they all are owed a place in the spotlight.

It was an unbelievable win for many of these new members and it did not come easily.

Their battle does not diminish hers and likewise her win does not diminish their hard fought win

Consider this.
Thank you




MaryMagdaline

(6,872 posts)
129. You and I are usually on the same page but Ocasio might just change things
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 08:29 PM
Nov 2018

She has a Bobby Kennedy take no prisoners attitude which frankly, I have missed in our politicians. I have tremendous respect for Nancy Pelosi, and I believe she will channel all the new energy in the right direction. Nancy doesn’t get her feelings hurt. She gets things done.



Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #129)

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
114. So she does not represent her district?
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 07:23 PM
Nov 2018

I'm sure that would be news to every rep in the house. Especially the ones we are told over and over "Need to represent their constituents!!!" I'm pretty sure her constituents are the taxpayers in her district.

LuvLoogie

(7,153 posts)
128. Of course she represents her district, but the deal is done it seems.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 08:27 PM
Nov 2018

As a resident of NYC she was opposed to the deal, but she had no legislative impact outside of who she voted for as her local and state representatives. As a congressman, she can effect tax law as it applies to an industry as a whole, but she can't really can't intervene on individual deals.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
130. Wow, who knew.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 08:54 PM
Nov 2018

It's amazing how on here Reps can go from being depicted as these all powerful, amazing figures in politics who can do so much and are allowed to voice their opinion on any number of issues, to someone who really can't do all that much and should really just...what is the phrase being thrown about so much now....."stay in their lane"? And it's funny how it all seems to depend on who is saying it and whether or not certain people like what they are saying.

A lot of interesting contradictions and....dare I say hypocrisy being laid bare on here recently. It's fascinating.

LuvLoogie

(7,153 posts)
132. It was you who brought her up in the context of Amazon and tax give-aways.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:13 PM
Nov 2018

Again that is a state and local issue as far as this Amazon deal is concerned. She is now a federal legislator. she can right laws to regulate industries. She can right laws to set their federal corporate tax rate. But she has no say over state and local tax issues other than perhaps as a vocal constituent.

NY and VA cut their deal with Amazon. It's up to the state and local politicians to make sure Amazon meets their end of the bargain.

AOC has her work cut out for her as a U.S. House member. Remember earmarks? Should we go back to that system of congressional deal-making for ones constituents. That's a sophisticated game. It's politics. Does AOC want to get things done or not?

BannonsLiver

(16,671 posts)
186. It's really not that interesting
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:09 PM
Nov 2018

When one understands the roles of federal, local and state governments. There’s all sorts of info online if you need a refresher on those roles, which seems to be the case.

Nanjeanne

(5,057 posts)
55. I look forward to her energy and passion for the causes that are dear to me. I love the diversity
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:12 PM
Nov 2018

in the party and excited to see some bold ideas come out of the Democrats in the House!

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
121. Same here. Like a puppy, she will learn to conserve her energy.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 07:54 PM
Nov 2018

I love her intelligence and passion, hope to see her learn to channel it better.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
157. I think you're missing
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 01:21 AM
Nov 2018

The sarcasm thingy, I’m not in her district, but I guess I’m allowed to have an opinion and communicate it here. Since we still have free speech etc. 😹

matt819

(10,749 posts)
58. Bull
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:40 PM
Nov 2018

In this era, she, or anyone else like her - Hispanic, woman, young, tough, attractive - would be a lightning rod. The RW will make her one. She impresses me as someone who will deal with this appropriately, to her benefit and to the benefit of her constituents and the Democratic Party. And what her instincts don't tell her, there are seasoned men and women available to guide her. And I would hope that the 50-year age difference between her and the party leadership doesn't drive those leaders to ignore her or dictate to her, but rather mentor and guide. What we don't need is a milquetoast-y, be seen and not heard, woman. We could be looking at a woman who could be on the national stage for quite some time to come.

kcr

(15,337 posts)
181. Spot on
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:29 PM
Nov 2018

He's the king of that type of performative, overly aggressive politics that don't actually get anything done. But they do serve the politician nicely at least for a short time because it does attract a fawning fan base, and they're good at getting media attention. People who love that type can't ever understand why others don't join in the love fest. AOC is storming the gates! Look, the media reacted instantly, just like it was supposed to, so things will surely happen now. Why isn't your heart all a flutter?

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
64. Newest Attention Seeker...
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:56 PM
Nov 2018

What's New? However, she is one out of 435 who is likely not to have a Committee Assignment -- so in other words -- just words and protest attendance with no action.

And the media will tire of her act, eventually. Let her do what she does as it is no harm in the least, to the long term goal.

Response to redstatebluegirl (Original post)

elocs

(22,760 posts)
70. The right & Trumpsters will hold her up as the poster child representing all of the Left
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:18 PM
Nov 2018

and they will use her as a distraction for when things get hot for Trump. For sure Trump will do that.

Buckeyeblue

(5,520 posts)
72. I like her spirit
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:18 PM
Nov 2018

She'll figure out how to reign it in. Or she won't and she'll forever be an outlier who gets nothing done.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
74. I think she only cares about her district and constituents
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:22 PM
Nov 2018

not a bad thing; she wants to represent dramatic change from the person she replaced. I doubt she cares much about gop or other parts of the country. She is not politically savvy, she just became politician. Again, not a bad thing. What I like about her is that she is a fighter, never compramises one bit, tough and fearless young woman. Her platform is solid; she is progressive ahead of time. I predict ice will be disbanded after human right violations reports come out (maybe years from now).

DFW

(54,844 posts)
78. She might be, but could end up being an asset, too. It's her call
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:33 PM
Nov 2018

She obviously is no idiot, so it boils down to a question of ego. Does she want to be what Justice Sotomayor so aptly called a "wise Latina," or does she just want to be a headline grabber for the sake of glory and attention?

It's not too late for someone to invite her to a cup of coffee and explain how things really get done in Washington. You can quietly build a consensus, find allies, become a force to be reckoned with and build a reliable faction, or you can make noise and make an ass of yourself. You can be Gabby Giffords or you can be Bella Abzug. Both were women of prominence in the House, but for very different reasons. AOC can still make the choice, and chalk her initial rabble-rousing to learning the ropes. Or, she can continue to do just what she is doing now, and become an idol to the 1% that likes the shouting and that sort of thing, and have her initiatives (if she gets any through to committee) ignored as coming from "that troublemaker." There are 435 House members. This is not a talent show starring "Alexandra and the Reps."

The window of time is closing, but she can still contain any damage. Whether she wants to or not is a different question entirely. Why a freshman congresswoman who is not even sworn in yet would think it a better strategy to pick fight with Democrats instead of Republicans is beyond me. Just who does she perceive as the enemy here? If it's the people sitting next to her on the House floor instead of the ones sitting on the other side of the aisle, then yeah, she will be a problem. But not a huge one. People get used to noise after a while.

DinahMoeHum

(21,914 posts)
79. I'm afraid she'll go the way of Alan Grayson. . .
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:36 PM
Nov 2018

. . .unless she settles down, LOOKs, LISTENs and LEARNs from those who have been there before.

And BTW, she's not sworn in yet.

Botany

(70,889 posts)
80. In her 1st day she has become a 1st class pain in the ass. Fox News couldn't be happier.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:39 PM
Nov 2018

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will be used as the poster child by Fox, the GOP, and the
media as an out of control liberal democrat and this is why you shouldn't vote for
democratic candidates.

Jobs are a bad thing and Nancy Pelosi is the problem w/climate change.

Autumn

(45,145 posts)
81. Yes it's horrible to tell the protesters we must let leader Pelosi know we have her back in
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:41 PM
Nov 2018

showing and pursing the most progressive energy agenda that this country has ever seen.

Yeah, lets take her to the wood shed for suggesting that.

Yavin4

(35,520 posts)
82. She'll be much more of an asset than a problem.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:42 PM
Nov 2018

It's not just about beating Trump and the Republicans in one cycle. It's about governing with a vision as well.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
91. She needs to learn quickly, or she may be "one-and-done".
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:05 PM
Nov 2018
someone needs to take her aside and tell her to temper herself.
She needs to learn quickly, or she may be "one-and-done". I think it's more important for her to learn the ropes, do the work for her constituents rather than risking so many public missteps while trying to make a name for herself.

All I'm trying to say is, you never get a second-chance to make a first impression.
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
97. ' you never get a second-chance to make a first impression'
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:16 PM
Nov 2018

She's making a great one from where I'm sitting. I think she's fantastic.


And also, well....all I'm trying to say is, if you can judge a person by who is against them then AOC is doing great!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
100. It's all subjective, of course, but ...
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:29 PM
Nov 2018
if you can judge a person by who is against them then AOC is doing great!
It's all subjective, of course, but why rely on such a superficial yardstick. I think it's more important to hold elected representatives to higher standards based on their own deeds and accomplishments (if any) compared to their missteps and mistakes (if any).

George II

(67,782 posts)
103. Wow, that's an interesting twist on "judging someone". As for me, I based my successful career....
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:40 PM
Nov 2018

....on judging people for what they accomplished.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
108. Agreed! That certainly makes MORE sense than...
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:55 PM
Nov 2018
As for me, I based my successful career....
....on judging people for what they accomplished.
Agreed! That certainly makes MORE sense than judging someone based on who is critical of them, or who dislikes them. Honestly, in my opinion, the latter method (if you can even call it that) doesn't appear to be a very rational or intellectual way to evaluate someone. It's based more on emotion or anger. All I'm saying here is that such a subjective and emotional evaluative criteria doesn't seem to be a very reliable indicator at all.


FakeNoose

(33,397 posts)
98. You're so right about that - her mistakes could do her in
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:17 PM
Nov 2018

I believe she's intelligent, and her forcefulness is already obvious. I hope she finds herself a good mentor, the name "Hillary Clinton" comes to mind. But her missteps could give her a bad rep if she's not careful.

Response to redstatebluegirl (Original post)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
111. Nobody is bashing her.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 07:03 PM
Nov 2018
Don't bash Democratic figures, isn't that still part of the TOS here at D/U ?
Gee, I'm not sure. If only there was a way to find out. Hmmm.

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Iggo

(47,703 posts)
140. Same window "Any Dem Anywhere" went out of.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:01 PM
Nov 2018

You could smell it brewing right after the primaries.

Chickensoup

(650 posts)
109. We are all entitled to our opinion
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:57 PM
Nov 2018

and we should embrace and respect that
Instead of lunching a trump style attacks
On her.
In my opinion nancy is far more of a problem if we fail to chose a new speaker.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
113. How do you figure that "Nancy is far more of a problem"?
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 07:17 PM
Nov 2018
In my opinion nancy is far more of a problem if we fail to chose a new speaker.
How do you figure that "Nancy is far more of a problem"? What exactly would be problematic about having Nancy Pelosi as the Speaker of the House? What do you have against her?

Gothmog

(147,230 posts)
119. The GOP attacks Nancy Pelosi because she is so very effective
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 07:46 PM
Nov 2018

Not election Nancy Pelosi as speaker would be a major mistake and would make the GOP very very happy

 

SubjectTrip

(79 posts)
110. A problem in that she is going to finally drag it out of the 90's and into the 21st century?
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 07:03 PM
Nov 2018

Good grief, the hand-wringing around AOC is so transparent...

JHan

(10,173 posts)
118. the 90's were over a long time ago, the party has already moved beyond the 90's.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 07:41 PM
Nov 2018

the only people I see parroting 90's nonsense are those who believe a defunct think tank called third way still has sway anywhere.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
120. She is going to do just fine.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 07:48 PM
Nov 2018

She's exactly what this country needs.

The more posts that I see blowing shit on her for no substantive reason whatsoever, the more I'm committed to my opinion. Your post is a perfect example. You've just made me more of a fan.

She's young, she's honest, she's smart, and she's driven to change things. And I think that's wonderful.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
124. I was not happy to see her beat Crowley or get into other races.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 08:05 PM
Nov 2018

But, I think that she is smart, passionate about the right issue and as she learns to properly channel all that properly, she is going to be a force. It was clear from her statements near Pelosi's office that she sees Pelosi as a role model, who was a fighter ahead of her time.

 

SubjectTrip

(79 posts)
144. Meanwhile, Steny Hoyer is presenting a direct threat to Pelosi's leadership chances
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:56 PM
Nov 2018

Already has 155 democrats backing him

Why no thread about him? Hmm?

Denzil_DC

(7,350 posts)
148. Why are you spreading disinformation?
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:41 AM
Nov 2018

You posted something similar on another thread:

Just curious
Why is there no ~300 post response thread about Steny Hoyer challenging Pelosi for Speaker? Surely him have 155 democrats backing him would be more cause for concern among the Pelosi sect than a young woman of color joining a protest, right?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11426153


I'll repeat the reply I gave you there:


Perhaps because Hoyer is NOT challenging Pelosi?
Hoyer is standing for House Majority Leader, whereas Pelosi is standing for House Speaker!

And it's a "Pelosi sect", is it?

Hmmm. Curious indeed.

BannonsLiver

(16,671 posts)
187. This thread is a great example of the failures of teaching civics in our schools
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:16 PM
Nov 2018

We’ve got people thinking a US Rep. makes municipal policy and people who don’t know the difference between Speaker and Leader.

Response to Denzil_DC (Reply #148)

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
182. Source? That is not true.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:32 PM
Nov 2018

Hoyer is Not challenging Pelosi

Hoyer is standing for House Majority Leader
Pelosi is standing for House Speaker!

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
147. It's about damn time someone breaks with New York's leaders.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 11:26 PM
Nov 2018

I'm not the biggest AOC fan, but breaking from De Blasio/Cuomo is never going to be a black mark in my book, even if I supported both in their primaries/generals.

AoC is not the first Democrat to refuse to tow the party line and she won't be the last. If anything, maybe we should start looking at the line that we tow if attacking the Amazon decision is a bridge to far. Hell, it's not even a politically convenient one given that they located to practically solid blue states. That doesn't help us gain ground anywhere else.

Also, you know who else is going to be a lightning rod for the next two years? Pelosi, Schumer, and every other Democrat that dares speak up. Fuck the right.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
150. Using Amazon is a bad example
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:48 AM
Nov 2018

To make your point.

In fact it makes me like her more

"Amazon is a billion-dollar company," Ocasio-Cortez wrote on Twitter late Monday. "The idea that it will receive hundreds of millions of dollars in tax breaks at a time when our subway is crumbling and our communities need MORE investment, not less, is extremely concerning to residents here."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/13/politics/ocasio-cortez-amazon-hq2/index.html

 

sfwriter

(3,032 posts)
154. Not worried
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 01:06 AM
Nov 2018

It looks like it was very productive. Pelosi shined. All’s well.


The right paints every Democrat to be a demon. Ignore them and support our young people.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
167. Nobody is trying to do that.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 09:59 AM
Nov 2018
You can't kick this kid off your damn lawn.
Nobody is trying to do that. But you know perfectly well that it's reasonable to criticize anyone's impulsive or inappropriate behavior. The fact of the matter is that Congress isn't where politicians go to be trained for Congress, they need to hit the ground running and be ready on day zero. As a party we can't afford the luxury of "looking the other way" and "making excuses" for these types of avoidable situations. It's perfectly fair to call her out on them.

All I'm trying to say here is that her efforts (and/or the advice she's receiving from others) would be better all around (especially for her own growth and development) if she focused on improving her own preparedness rather than grandstanding for cameras before she's even sworn-in.

KPN

(15,721 posts)
177. Meh. You are giving her more credit and power than she merits.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:13 PM
Nov 2018

She's a youngster with strong ideals. Give her time. Either she'll gain some wisdom or her constituents will replace her in a couple of years.

The last thing we need to do right now is be afraid of how Rs will react to or use her. We can't and shouldn't be afraid of our own shadow so to speak.

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
179. Said this from day one.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:20 PM
Nov 2018

She won’t play well outside of the Bronx and Queens. She will be pointed to by the Right as evidence of the radicalization of the Democratic Party. This will hurt us in the purple and red states.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
183. The concern for her presence is only "a threat" in the Media's need for drama.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 01:00 PM
Nov 2018

Because the newz repeats it on a daily loop, doesn't make it truth.

I have no idea why she is given so much attention.
Who exactly is behind the media blitz. That is a better question that deserves our attention.

No one fears her in reality, as much as the Media wants that divisive message to play out.
She brings nothing to fear. She has scant power.


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