MSNBC Sunday Night, definitive proof Nixon treason, extended war for 4 years on purpose

[Eliot Rosewater]

How can anybody vote for republicans?

9 eastern this Sunday

Every death, every injury for those 5 years he purposely extended the war is the GOP fault. They killed all those people.

[malaise]

1. I'll be watching

For sure

[RKP5637]

2. The GOP is an ugly death cult! edited ...

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Democrats have had their share too!

[still_one]

6. You do realize it was LBJ that got us into Viet Nam based on a lie?

[RKP5637]

19. Yes, I lived through that one. Horrible and stupid!!! n/t

[still_one]

21. same here

[onit2day]

13. Johnson said to Erik Derkson "This is treason" to which he replied, "I know". Thousands more are kil

[RKP5637]

20. A horrible and stupid war. n/t

[Takket]

3. but people who protested this are traitors.........

[still_one]

4. LBJ lied about the Gulf of Tonkin, and hundreds of thousands of people were

killed because of that

If you want to talk Viet Nam, the Democrats did NOT distinguish themselves

[ProudLib72]

8. And Eisenhower laid out the "domino theory" in '54

And before that, in '47, we had the Truman Doctrine which was basically the same idea.

I don't know what any of this proves except to say that fear of communism spreading had a long history and many presidents contributed to the that fear.

[still_one]

12. Exactly. It wasn't just Nixon, but the actual escalation of that f**king war started with LBJ.

The OPs implication was that those who lost their lives in that war lay only on the backs of the republicans, when it was both sides, and the initial push of its escalation, for whatever rationalization, came from the Democrats at the time.

The Gulf of Tokin resolution was only opposed by two Senators. Once we were fully engaged, even by 1967 when the American public turned against the war, except for a handful of those in Congress, such as Senator Fulbright, Congress rubber stamped our full involvement.

The point I am making is that blaming the deaths in the Viet Nam War as the argument for why the republicans are bad, is not the best example, since the Gulf of Tokin Resolution is at least as deplorable as Nixon extending that war.

A fact some may not know is that Humphrey in 1965 advised Johnson NOT to escalate our involvement in Vietnam. Of course that went to hell in a hand basket, and we all know what happened

[summer_in_TX]

14. JFK sent in the military first.

Of course, they were just there as "advisers."

[still_one]

18. true, but it wasn't a full commitment then. Unfortunately, we learned very little as evidenced by

the IWR, even though it can argued we were lied to by the bush administration, which we were, as justification for their vote, Congress still relinquished their responsibility.

[UTUSN]

5. It's been known

[Baitball Blogger]

7. My hunch on why they waited until now:

Because they thought the American people weren't ready to believe it.

[triron]

9. yep. Not ready for what Trump did though.

[mjvpi]

10. In ten years they can do one on how Reagan's team worked with the Iranians before that election

It’s amazing to hear President Johnson ascal say that the American people couldn’t handle hearing about hat Nixon was doing in real time.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

11. Not really new news, and not just Nixon

Actually, the most interesting Nixon thing this week was Maddow, in her pod "Bag Man" , airing tapes of Nixon and Agnew conspiring to obstruct justice by getting the US Attorney's brother (a Senator) to intercede on their behalf. It didn't work. But I digress.

DoD and intelligence analysts told both Jack Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson that their was no military path to victory, so history should hold them to account as well. However, several things are clear about Nixon: 1) Anna Chenault et. al. clearly derailed Johnson's attempts to end the war; 2) Nixon changed the draft rules to try to quiet the protests, with mixed success; 3) he knew peacetime South Vietnam would eventually fall, and (essentially) delayed the peace settlement to buy time hoping that the South would not fall until after the '76 election in the US. He fell a year and a half short.

You should listen to Bag Man if you haven't already. The parallels between the mannerisms of Trump and Agnew are astonishing.

[srobertss]

17. Bag Man is great

I was 20 years old when Agnew resigned and I remember some of what he said, but I certainly didn’t feel flayed like I do with Trump. Its interesting in the podcast to hear him foment hate. Also to hear him protest his innocence, claim it was a conspiracy, and act outraged. So reminiscent of Trump and he was so very guilty. He also tried to end the investigation. The VP sure doesn’t have the same impact on the country as the president.

[Eliot Rosewater]

22. And yet not one republican will watch, learn, care or change affiliation.

[DeltaLitProf]

15. Hitchens told this story in The Trial of Henry Kissinger.

But it bears repeating.

[spike91nz]

16. As I recall

The issue was not the usual lying to the US public but rather Nixon and Kissinger actively working to undermine the Paris peace talks before the election in 1968 that is treasonous. This was an effort applied to extend the war for personal political reasons rather than strategic or politically ideological reasons. Nixon’s behavior was not very different from the Reagan efforts to undermine Carter by promising the Iranians missiles for keeping hostages until after election. In both instances the dealing with a foreign power to undermine a current setting government in the US is treasonous. The republican’s treason runs back at least to G.W. Bush’s grandfather. Greed breads corruption and corruption delivers opportunity for treason.

[Eliot Rosewater]

24. Imagine if a Democrat did it, I am so sick of saying that.

Media and all of us make it easier on cons because they are dumber, less mature, less educated.

time for that to stop

[Progressive Jones]

23. Nixon never got the justice he deserved. He was allowed to live. nt

[Scurrilous]

25. K&R

[brush]

26. Include Reagan also in committing treason, with the Iranians.

And let's not forget our present orange pustule and his Russian connection.

[mitch96]

29. Yup, colluded with the Iranians to not bring back the hostages

till AFTER the election.... Killing Carters chance...
m

[brush]

31. It's alway repug, the ones who wrap themselves in the flag, who commit treason.

[Gothmog]

27. I had seen reports of this for a while

I am glad that this story is coming out finally

[shanny]

28. Somewhat OT but I just caught part of a documentary

entitled "Grass" and narrated by Woody Harrelson (lol). The part I saw dealt w/ that prick Nixon and his fucking war on drugs--politically motivated of course AND against the recommendation of his own advisory committee....

How many other lives were lost or ruined, how many communities destroyed, how much money wasted.

That rat bastard can burn in hell for that too.

[panader0]

30. In '65 I was on a vacation to Bangkok with my folks.

My dad was stationed at Hickam AFB on Oahu.
We landed in Saigon, to refuel I guess--(I was 15).
The pilot said upon landing--"Look out the right side window and you can
see the remains of a plane blown up last week by the Viet Cong."
There it was--and I was never the same.
The war was the main issue for young folks then.
War continues today, but young folks are not as involved anymore.