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Music Man

(1,184 posts)
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 01:18 PM Nov 2018

The Speaker of the House is second in line for the presidency.

That's a fact that's not talked about enough. Being Speaker primarily involves wrangling votes, setting legislative agenda, and being a political figurehead, but lines of succession exist for a reason. Presidents have died, resigned, and almost been removed from office. The possibilities are always there, and in this administration's case, it's not far-fetched to see the president and vice president being removed from office/resigning.

Thus, the decision for Speaker is not something to be cute with. I do not begrudge any candidates for criticizing Nancy Pelosi per se, especially in a campaign, but I trust that smart heads will prevail and we remember that experience and qualifications matter first. No matter how rare such a national crisis would be, a characteristic of any Speaker is having the knowhow and ability to step into the highest office in the land.

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The Speaker of the House is second in line for the presidency. (Original Post) Music Man Nov 2018 OP
I would have full confidence in Nancy's abilities if she were to gain the Presidency today... hlthe2b Nov 2018 #1
+1000 Pachamama Nov 2018 #9
Reminds me that one of the #FiveWhiteGuys said Hortensis Nov 2018 #2
Tim Ryan, only it was we have lots of "FEMALES" to do so... That still rankles me. hlthe2b Nov 2018 #10
The creep. Huge put-down. Those guys weren't Hortensis Nov 2018 #17
Excellent point. We dodged that bullet. Nitram Nov 2018 #3
I've had this fantasy since November 2016 PJMcK Nov 2018 #4
LOL, amazing :) Music Man Nov 2018 #7
We'll chat (n/t) PJMcK Nov 2018 #14
Pelosi becomes President when Trump and Pence removed as a result of evidence of Russia Collusion & Pachamama Nov 2018 #11
It was just an old fantasy (n/t) PJMcK Nov 2018 #12
Or, take the shortcut. ANYONE can be named Speaker. Totally Tunsie Nov 2018 #16
Great twist! (n/t) PJMcK Nov 2018 #18
The Repugs ran against Speaker Pelosi in every competitive race and LOST. BIGLY. IllinoisBirdWatcher Nov 2018 #5
I'd say it's far-fetched that Trump and Pence will be removed before November of 2020. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #6
And both the Senate and the House have to approve a new VP. Buckeyeblue Nov 2018 #8
This is a brilliant play. Something I wasn't aware of, Thanks! Bfd Nov 2018 #13
That would be fair turnabout for McConnell having held up Garland's ascension to the SC. JudyM Nov 2018 #20
Third. VP is second. Hekate Nov 2018 #15
VP is first in line, and Speaker is second Polybius Nov 2018 #19

hlthe2b

(102,119 posts)
1. I would have full confidence in Nancy's abilities if she were to gain the Presidency today...
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 01:25 PM
Nov 2018

(of course that is not the endorsement it SHOULD be, given who occupies right now).

But, for those wanting to put in someone untested and perhaps far less suited for the Speakership duties (which is a very special skill set on their own), surely ought to realize how critical is the appropriate selection with respect to possible line of succession.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Reminds me that one of the #FiveWhiteGuys said
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 01:31 PM
Nov 2018

we had lots of women who could take Nancy's place. Guess if she could anyone could, right?

Music Man, this is an excellent point. I don't know how I came to forget this little detail or why it hasn't be raised before. Of course those whose passion is merely focused on taking Nancy down wouldn't want to be reminded of it or remind others.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. The creep. Huge put-down. Those guys weren't
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:00 PM
Nov 2018

exactly admired by the people on a Joy panel I watched today. Michael Steel called them weak-kneed Democrats who didn't want to move forward with healthcare back when the ACA was being fought for. He said Nancy didn't suffer fools and got it done without them and "certain Democrats" are carrying a grudge. These creeps really are as small as they sound.

Btw, for anyone who didn't see it, they also all predicted confidently that Nancy would of course be reelected. Most of this is just people negotiating for position, including Rep. Fudge.

PJMcK

(21,995 posts)
4. I've had this fantasy since November 2016
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 01:58 PM
Nov 2018

In the 2018 elections, Democrats win back the House and Nancy Pelosi becomes Speaker of the House.

Congressional and Robert Mueller's investigations demonstrate Trump's criminality and Pence's complicity. They both resign in lieu of impeachment/removal or prosecution.

Ms. Pelosi becomes the President. She nominates Hillary Clinton to be her Vice President. Enough Senate Republicans are convinced that the country needs "healing" that she is approved.

In 2020, the Pelosi/Clinton ticket wins the election in a blue wave that secures the Democratic House and gains a small advantage in the Senate.

Early in the new administration, President Pelosi announces that she has serious health issues that require her to spend more time with her family. She resigns and Vice President Clinton is sworn in as the 47th President.

President Clinton nominates Senator Tim Kaine to be her Vice President. The Senate overwhelmingly approves his nomination.

History is corrected.

Of course, it won't happen, right?

Music Man

(1,184 posts)
7. LOL, amazing :)
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:06 PM
Nov 2018

By the way, your Leonard Bernstein quote is a favorite of mine. Bernstein is my boy!

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
11. Pelosi becomes President when Trump and Pence removed as a result of evidence of Russia Collusion &
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:28 PM
Nov 2018

other crimes....

But a Pelosi/Cinton ticket? No way....

More likely she would run with someone else....the list is long, but it won't include Clinton...

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
16. Or, take the shortcut. ANYONE can be named Speaker.
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 07:42 PM
Nov 2018

Just install Hillary as Speaker of the House, and wait.

[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives|

The Constitution does not require the Speaker to be an elected member of the House of Representatives, although every Speaker thus far has been.[3] The Speaker is second in the United States presidential line of succession, after the Vice President and ahead of the President pro tempore of the Senate.[4]

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
5. The Repugs ran against Speaker Pelosi in every competitive race and LOST. BIGLY.
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:00 PM
Nov 2018

I traveled in three states with competitive Congressional races during the campaign. The RNC and its PACs swamped cable stations with their very dark Bubble Bee black and yellow Congressional candidate ads trying to scare voters. Ads filled with ugly and scary photos of Nancy Pelosi.

Their message was clear - "Save tRump, Fear Pelosi." Their message failed.

The results of this election and the massive number of flips speak for themselves. We have a highly qualified and experienced Speaker candidate and she deserves to be elected overwhelmingly.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
6. I'd say it's far-fetched that Trump and Pence will be removed before November of 2020.
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:02 PM
Nov 2018

Not impossible but highly unlikely. I could see a scenario where Trump resigns, Pence becomes president and we have a new VP.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
8. And both the Senate and the House have to approve a new VP.
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:16 PM
Nov 2018

I think this is an important point. If 45 were to quit, the House could either force a compromise VP or just hold up the nomination, effectively making the Speaker next in line.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
13. This is a brilliant play. Something I wasn't aware of, Thanks!
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:38 PM
Nov 2018

"If 45 were to quit, the House could either force a compromise VP or just hold up the nomination, effectively making the Speaker next in line. "

Makes this high stakes game even more interesting.
Everything becomes a calculated move from here to the final demise of the Republifascist agenda.

Polybius

(15,334 posts)
19. VP is first in line, and Speaker is second
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 11:43 PM
Nov 2018

The "in line" part means up next. Trump is not counted as "in line" because he's not "in line" for anything, he's already President.

United States presidential line of succession

1 Vice President Mike Pence
2 Speaker of the House of Representatives Paul Ryan
3 President pro tempore of the Senate Orrin Hatch
4 Secretary of State Mike Pompeo
5 Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin

And so on...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession

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