They might as well head to down to Guyana, spike some Kool-Aid and pass it around...

[MrScorpio]

[FreepFryer]

1. Gross. Jonestown killed 800, including a Congressman, and Trumpist idiocy don't warrant death.

Sooner or later, we are going to have to be willing to reconcile as a nation, and wishing them death by cyanide is a little harsh, no?

[MrScorpio]

2. Well, unless we all volunteer as cult de-programmers, that's probably going to be their logical end

Once he's taken down it won't be pretty.

[FreepFryer]

4. That's insane. You are repeating a far right call for civil war, whether you know it or admit it.

You’re patently wrong, and you might want to look at why you are so unwilling to imagine, and so blithely forclose, a civil and nonviolent approach to resolving American political polarity.

I’d submit that you are repeating the call of the radicalized, and it’s serving who?

Putin.

“Once he’s taken down”? What possible basis do you have to assume he will be removed, rather than defeated?

Maintaining and supporting the peaceful transition of power is in the national interest. We had the largest rout in history, and it hasn’t lit the fire of insurrection. So why would taking Trump down, rather than obstructing, investigating and pursuing every charge warranted until he leaves offic3 (and then leveling them), be in any way the better choice?

President Obama and Secretary Clinton, as well as many others in our intelligence community, know that.

[MrScorpio]

7. Given Trump's parallel with Nixon (They both line up pretty well) he probably won't finish his term

His cult is already too radicalized to not accept his early departure well.

Don't underestimate these people.

[FreepFryer]

11. Neither prognosticating violence nor underestimating everyone's potential for it

That’s why I am wary to participate in helping visualize or normalize it.

[MrScorpio]

12. I don't have to prognosticate it... It's already happening.

They're already in violent rebellion.

[FreepFryer]

14. If that's what you see now, you have no idea what violent rebellion is. (n/t)

[MrScorpio]

18. Hey, if you haven't been paying attention...

To their violent marches and beat downs of people in the streets, the mass shootings and penchant for violent actions, the way that they're inspiring people like the Proud Boys and the Atomwaffen Naziss to attack Trump's perceived enemies and the attempted bombings by the MAMAbomber, I can only tell you that they're just getting started.

[FreepFryer]

22. Paying attention to all of it as it escalates. And my point stands. (n/t)

[MrScorpio]

24. Trump has a cult following him, a lot of these people are dangerous...

Trump has quite openly said that his enemies: the press, Democrats, immigrants, the rule of fucking law, anyone who isn't part of the cult are all enemies of the state. There are people in this cult who are taking him at his word and are coming after us.

Ignore them at our peril.

[FreepFryer]

25. I'm ignoring nothing. Fantasize at yours. When you wake, I hope u can stand your damage toll. (n/t)

[MrScorpio]

28. Pointing out how dangerous Trump's cult has been and will be isn't on me

It's on them.

Don't play nice with these people.

[FreepFryer]

31. Don't suggest them for suicide and mass murder either. That's going soul-stainingly low. (nt)

[MrScorpio]

34. Since they're intent on behaving like a cult, why not regard them as a cult?

[FreepFryer]

36. Which them, exactly do you mean? Awfully vague and anti-American concept. (n/t)

[JI7]

38. not really, them committing suicide would be preferable to them attacking others

[FreepFryer]

40. Which them exactly? How many millions? (nt)

[JI7]

45. the ones attacking others like the piece of shit that killed people at the synagogue

[FreepFryer]

48. Okay so just impotent fantasizing, not predicting violent murders of a political party. Cool I guess

[JI7]

50. you seem upset at calling out the MAGA Fools

[FreepFryer]

53. I don't call for violence against groups of Americans. I strive for justice.

LOL on the imputation that I am somehow not a Democrat. Arguing with Republicans is what I do.

Unlike you, apparently, I don’t take violence lightly, nor do I conflate it so lazily with the idea of “calling out”. What exactly are you doing in that regard here anyway? Precisely Dick.

Most of all, I recognize passive radicalization when I see it. And half ass calls for violence exude it.

[JI7]

55. the violence was done by the MAGA Trash . it has already been done and is continuing

their fucked up leader Trump encourages them to be violent.

they love it that he supports shooting children crossing the border.

[FreepFryer]

58. Keep talking violence, without doing constructive. Btw, making vague protestations is not helping.

[JI7]

60. why do you have a problem with bringing up the Violence being committed by MAGA TRash ? you are far

more upset at some thread with a common methaphor on the internet than actual violence that is being done right now.

[FreepFryer]

63. You have now taken over two threads here w attacks on my loyalties and violent anti US rhetoric.

Putinism.

[JI7]

66. you are the one who accused me of not supporting the US because i don't support Trump being in

charge.

but it's clear what is going on .

[FreepFryer]

68. No, I quoted you, that you "don't support the continuation of the us under trump."

Kinda fucked up concept.

[JI7]

72. hahahha, not supporting the continuation of the US under trump is fucked up ? what's fucked up is

the MAGATRASH .

and MAGA tRash that are out attacking minorities .

[FreepFryer]

75. Lulz sedition and disunion is hilarious, I guess. nt

[Tommy_Carcetti]

5. Metaphors appear lost on you, my friend. Nt

[FreepFryer]

6. No, i know at least that metaphors about 800 dead people should be artful, or avoided. (n/t)

[melman]

9. Agreed

Totally tasteless to joke about Jonestown.


Also, it wasn't even Kool-Aid. It was Flavor Aid.

[FreepFryer]

13. It was also Rep Leo Ryan, D-CA, gunned down on an airport tarmac.

And Rep Jackie Spiers laying next to him, playing dead, as the killers walked around her.

Lulz

[treestar]

46. For fuck sake

What difference does that make? It is a metaphor for cults. Not meant to be exact. The saying has come into the language as kool aid. Jim Jones referred to kool aid when showing off the pantry. His followers are dead whatever it was. The cyanide and other poisons were the operative ingredients.

[melman]

84. 'His followers are dead whatever it was'

This is true. That's why it's bad taste to joke about.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

17. OP wasn't wishing death on these people.

Just making a comment on cult type thinking, which truly does exist when it comes to Trump.

[FreepFryer]

19. Until post 2, when he says that's exactly what will likely happen. (n/t)

[MrScorpio]

21. What do you think the MAGAbomber was trying to do?

[FreepFryer]

23. The magabomber is neither every Trumpist nor every republican.

Treating them as if they were is the surest way to advance the cause against America.

[MrScorpio]

26. Right, until the next Trump cultist decides to take up the cause.

Why are you defending these people?

[FreepFryer]

29. I'm defending Americans' right to vote for the party of their choice, without being targets.

I would have thought you would support that idea.

I oppose Republicanism vigorously... hence my name... but I do so rhetorically (this is a discussion forum, not a. Militia, after all... whatever their affiliation they are, and will remain, my countrymen.

They are not all my mortal enemies, although some of them may be. Moreover, I would much sooner strike our real enemies than phantoms of hate conjured by their agents, or endanger my own freedom by internalizing those hateful views of my neighbors.

[MrScorpio]

32. Check this out:

Trump's truest believers have sounded downright apocalyptic: "This is not a battle between Republicans and Democrats," Jeffress said in 2016. "It's a battle between … righteousness and unrighteousness, light and darkness." Amedia declared that God personally told him that Trump's presidency was paving the way for the Second Coming.

And then there is this warning from Trump confidant Roger Stone: Any attempt to remove the president from office, he said in August, would result in "a spasm of violence in this country, an insurrection like you've never seen."

If Trump's presidency deteriorates further, expect the religious fervor of many of his followers to reach a fever pitch. That poses a risk for the country. Because the only thing more dangerous than a cult leader is a cult leader facing martyrdom.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-aslan-trump-cultists-20171106-story.html

It's not as if other people can't see what's been happening.

[FreepFryer]

35. Ok so Reza Aslan calling these extremists cultists is proof to conflate them w every republican?

And make no effort to directly address my valid observation that there is a plurality of thought amongst the opposition that can be exploited, rather than cast away in typical brutish, ignorant Trumpist style as you advocate.

Like trump’s, such thinking is weak and empty, lazy and frankly part of the problem.

[MrScorpio]

39. I'm talking about his cult, not all Republicans.

Some (Most) Republicans are simply functioning as Trump's enablers.

The true believers are another thing altogether. I've been consistent in referring to those people as the cult.

[FreepFryer]

41. But that's not what your posts have said. You cast a wide brush of those to be suicided.

[MrScorpio]

51. Nope, that's not even close to being true.

A. When I compared Trump's cult to the Jim Jones Cult, I was being facetious.

B. It's not up to me to make these people do anything.

C. Given that Trump's eventual political demise is bound to be particularly messy, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that his cult won't take that well.

D. Given the track record of the cult members who have already been particularly violent, it's only a matter of time before more do the same.

E. If you don't take his cult seriously RIGHT NOW, it's only going to be a matter of time before you will in the future.

[FreepFryer]

56. How many millions are in his "cult?" Because taking them seriously is NOT calling for genocide.

[MrScorpio]

62. Those people self-identify

MAGA hats, arms caches and enemies lists are a surefire quantifier

[FreepFryer]

65. Again, how many millions should suicide, beyond redemption, in your world view? (Nt)

[MrScorpio]

70. That's not my struggle

Especially since I was joking in the first place.

[FreepFryer]

73. You brought it up. (n/t)

[MrScorpio]

78. You inferred that I was being completely serious...

At this point dealing with you:



Just take it as a metaphor and leave it at that.

[FreepFryer]

80. Or maybe, don't joke about an incident that killed 800 people when tarring millions more.

It may be hard to see in the Red Hour, but that’s not the way to a better and fairer country for all of us.

[JI7]

82. 3 thousand people died during the 9/11 attacks yet you are ok joking about that

[MrScorpio]

83. Fat chance, buddy

Everyone around here knows that my sense of humor can, at times, be biting and dark.

Just regard it as all part of my charm.

[FreepFryer]

85. When I see extant charm, I will be sure to comment on it.

When someone tells you you have caused them offense with the casual use of a mass murder in a violence fantasy you consider humor, if you focus on discounting their critique from the outset, foisting empty dodges and sarcasm,rather than addressing the issue someone is raising, that is hardly charming... it’s juvenile.

[MrScorpio]

90. When I depend on you as a critic, I'll make sure to let you know

As this point, not so much.

[FreepFryer]

91. "Always double down" vs "Stop and consider other views" sounds like another dynamic in politics

[MrScorpio]

93. Don't expect me to apologize for saying mean things about Trump's cult

It ain't gonna happen.

[FreepFryer]

97. Hardly. But you could stop for a split second and ask if Jonestown is so funny that u need to ref it

Your distance from the event is a privilege.

[MrScorpio]

101. You seem to be taking a joke about cults and Kool-Aid kinda personal

Gallows humor, baby, sometimes it happens.

[FreepFryer]

103. Empathy is wisdom. (n/t)

[LuckyCharms]

102. It was a metaphor.

And you knew that too.

[FreepFryer]

104. Yes, a shitty one about mass murder. then in post 2, the OP said it wasn't merely a metaphor. (n/t)

[LuckyCharms]

105. Whatever shall be done about this?????

[FreepFryer]

106. Thank god you're here to spam these threads w added value galore.

At least I’m making a cogent and consistent argument for a focus on nonviolence and recognition of the radicalization such metaphors reflect... even if it goes completely unaddressed.

[LuckyCharms]

107. Thank you!

[regnaD kciN]

95. Indeed...

I have a friend who was godmother to two young children whose parents then "discovered" the People's Temple and took them away to Guyana. Those two kids were forced to "drink the kool-aid." My friend still gets furious when people use the term casually; she makes the good point that it's a little like joking about people being "sent to the gas chambers."

[FreepFryer]

96. THANK YOU! People don't know other people's histories, and they should use their brains. NT

[MrScorpio]

10. If he wants to take me TOO seriously, I can play that as well...

But at least someone got the spirit of my post.

That's because you know my style, Big T.C.

[LuckyCharms]

8. We are going to have to be willing to reconcile as a nation?

How is that going to happen, exactly?

[FreepFryer]

15. Asking for exact prognostication (an oxymoron)? Nah gah dah. (n/t)

[LuckyCharms]

16. How about something close then? n/t

[FreepFryer]

20. Ask Swalwell, he's got some big ideas

Swalwell, who’s become a fixture on cable news bashing the president over the last two years, said he would focus a potential presidential run on ambitious proposals like big new investments in medical research and green energy infrastructure.

“We’ve kind of seen too much incrementalism,” he said. “I think there’s an appetite among the American people to see someone who can unite us though big ideas.”

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/11/09/eric-swalwell-iowa-presidential-run-california/

[LuckyCharms]

86. That website is not behaving well for me. But whatever ideas are stated by Rep.

Swalwell, they probably do not negate the fact that many of Trump's followers need to be deprogrammed. Actually, literally, deprogrammed.

These people have been around forever. Trump did not create them. Trump just gave them permission. Permission to state their feelings without fear, because others like them are also now out in the open. Are these people open to "coming together" or finding "common ground"?

There is no "coming together" with people like that.

[FreepFryer]

89. How long have such people existed in the US? But there is no Union possible? Yet, it exists.

Your concluding statement is demonstrably false, and in fact proven so by the very war that tore our nation apart.

Why now? Why this man? Why abrogate the rule of law so willingly?

[LuckyCharms]

92. Ill tell you what.

I think you should continue to believe that there is a way to find a happy medium with racists, white supremacists, xenophobes, homophobes, etc.

You go ahead and do that, and I'll go ahead and not feel any guilt by continuing to believe that they should be scorned.

Good luck.

[FreepFryer]

94. I don't think there is a way to find a happy medium w murderers, but w racists?

Are you seriously suggesting that it is possible to purge a population of racism? That’s insane. What we can do is consider, and accelerate, the effort to strengthen, restore and extend prot3ctions for all people from bigotry and racism, using Trumpist abuses as a roadmap for preventing such practices from further legitimation.

If you declare war on a person for their beliefs, rather than their actions, you are not advancing American ideals.

There is a reason we did not engage in the kind of outward violence against German civilians and POWs that the Russians did, for example.

[LuckyCharms]

99. Oh God. You're right!

The next time someone blatantly expounds on their hatred for other races in my presence, I'll gently remind that person that I am considering and accelerating efforts to strengthen, restore and extend protections for all people.

[FreepFryer]

100. Lol dumb. Mock racists, but don't feed them poison unless you wanna end your freedom. (n/t)

[treestar]

37. Ever heard of metaphor?

Geez

[FreepFryer]

43. Asked and answered (see post 6) nt

[nini]

87. Fuck them.

They're the enemy supporting that nazi.

[ProudLib72]

3. WTF?

Exchange photos of our meals? A food fetish or something? Just who in the hell makes this offer to strangers online?

[Docreed2003]

27. For what it's worth...

It's long been debated whether it was Kool Aid or Flavor-Aid drink...both were found in the compound... .

[MrScorpio]

98. Thanks for future ref...

[Docreed2003]

108. Lol...no problem

Just thought I'd add a little historical snark...love your podcasts man!

[Wintryjade]

30. That is so sad that the man got to the point where the children won't have him over.

I do not even know what that looks like. I have Republicans too, but simply saying no politics has worked in our house. Sad sad.

I cannot even imagine this.

[FreepFryer]

33. Ryan (D-CA), Speier (future Rep) and others were shot at point-blank range.

“I followed Ryan under the plane and hid under one of the wheels.”

Speier and others were shot at point-blank range. Ryan and four others, including Harris, were dead. The survivors waited, supporting one another through the night.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/jonestown-murders-jackie-speier-37-years

[JI7]

42. your response is like saying the joke about Giuliani , noun verb and 9-11 was an attack on

all those people who were killed and harmed on 9/11.

[FreepFryer]

44. Nah, this is different, this wasn't a joke. (n/t)

[JI7]

47. yes it was, it was making fun of Trump Supporters for their loyalty to the piece of shit

[FreepFryer]

49. No, see post 2 subthread.OP believes this is the outcome. It's no joke and it's certainly not funny.

If you believe in the continuation of the United States as we know it, that is.

[JI7]

52. i don't expect a black man to reconcile and hold off on any criticism with MAGA Trash Bigots

[FreepFryer]

54. I don't ask what you expect. (n/t)

[JI7]

57. and i don't believe in the continuation of the US with Bigots like Trump in Charge

[FreepFryer]

59. That much is clear. Thanks for admitting that you don't support the US.

Because you don’t get to make that decision unilaterally without surrendering your right to freedom.

[JI7]

61. i said clearly i don't support the US with Trump in Charge. your attempt at Gas Lighting

is very clear.

fuck Trump .

[FreepFryer]

67. No, u said the continuation of the United States. Not your call, and that's fucked up.

[JI7]

69. i clearly brought up Trump . and you are angry at those of us attacking MAGA Trash . why is that ?

[FreepFryer]

71. Not supporting "the continuation of the us under trump" is what u said, what I quoted,

And a fucked up concept.

[JI7]

74. there is nothing fucked up about that. fucked up is MAGA Trash and their fucked up leader Trump

[FreepFryer]

76. There most certainly is. Trump isn't the us, and the us is not our enemy because a president is.

That is JUST what Putin would want us thinking, oddly enough.

[JI7]

77. hahaha, you are the one that accused me of not supporting the US. and now you want to get into "We"

with MAGATRASH .

hahahha.

keep it up.

[FreepFryer]

79. No accusation, you said plain as day. Quite an eyebrow raiser of an idea...

That you don’t support the continuation of the US under a bigot like TRump” rather than work to remove him in the interests of the US, as a loyal citizen.

Eyebrow raising indeed!

[JI7]

81. hahahha, whatever . fuck the magatrash .

[JI7]

64. FUCK TRUMP AND FUCK HIS MAGA TRASH

[LuckyCharms]

88. +1

Yup.