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Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:14 PM

Bastard made grown men cry in Michigan

because he promised them continued jobs and prosperity.

And then he screwed them.

I get no pleasure out of this. Many families will suffer this year and in the future.

Hoping the country will finally see the light and put this monster behind bars.

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Reply Bastard made grown men cry in Michigan (Original post)
tavernier Nov 2018 OP
applegrove Nov 2018 #1
roamer65 Nov 2018 #2
iluvtennis Nov 2018 #13
Mystery sage Nov 2018 #27
former9thward Nov 2018 #34
iluvtennis Nov 2018 #35
JudyM Nov 2018 #3
Wellstone ruled Nov 2018 #5
roamer65 Nov 2018 #8
littlemissmartypants Nov 2018 #10
Wellstone ruled Nov 2018 #12
bdtrppr6 Nov 2018 #32
TeamPooka Nov 2018 #4
roamer65 Nov 2018 #6
TeamPooka Nov 2018 #7
OilemFirchen Nov 2018 #9
rusty quoin Nov 2018 #11
Botany Nov 2018 #14
ellie Nov 2018 #22
Botany Nov 2018 #23
ellie Nov 2018 #24
mathematic Nov 2018 #15
Cha Nov 2018 #16
allgood33 Nov 2018 #21
Garrett78 Nov 2018 #17
tavernier Nov 2018 #18
Garrett78 Nov 2018 #19
java108 Nov 2018 #20
still_one Nov 2018 #26
NightWatcher Nov 2018 #25
zonkers Nov 2018 #28
saidsimplesimon Nov 2018 #29
RT Atlanta Nov 2018 #30
elocs Nov 2018 #31
Srkdqltr Nov 2018 #33
Iggo Nov 2018 #36
tavernier Nov 2018 #37
workinclasszero Nov 2018 #39
workinclasszero Nov 2018 #38
Coventina Nov 2018 #40

Response to tavernier (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:17 PM

1. When the rumour came out last night in canada that the Oshawa GM plant

was closing it came with the words 'restructuring' and 'hybrid cars'. Turns out it is pick up trucks and SUVs they are making.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:19 PM

2. Not a happy Xmas in GM households this year.

Within 7 years, most of the sedans on the road even in MI are going to be Subarus, Toyotas or Hondas.

This is the result of his steel and aluminum tariffs making sedans unprofitable.

I love my Chevy Cruze, but alas it looks like a Subaru Impreza will probably be my next car.

The trickle down effect to suppliers will be nasty. A lot of pink slips are being written up this week.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:04 AM

13. But our media doesn't report on the effect of the tariffs enough. It needs to be repeated & repeated

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 04:19 PM

27. I fully agree with this

Maybe if they report it like a national crisis like 9/11 it might get real attention.

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 07:05 PM

34. GM said the tariffs are not directly responsible.

People don't want to buy sedans. They want SUVs and trucks. The sedans are history.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 12:21 AM

35. Wanting SUVs and trucks won't be the buzz for long with gas prices going up. When gas was in the

mid $2 range, I could see having bigger cars. With gas at $4 here in California, I don't see BIG trucks and SUVs continuing except fr the high income earners. I had a small SUV, but I sold it and downsized to a Ford Fiesta.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:31 PM

3. If GM had announced this last month it might've thrown a few more races our way.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:42 PM

5. It would have been a total blood bath.

Especially with the Ford Announcement coming earlier this month.


So,what is the closest guess as to jobs Trump has eliminated---

Ford = 10% force reduction by years end including plant closings total Corporate Restructuring 8k management,unknown Labor production persons .

GM = 5 Plants 14k-20k with management

Verizon= 4k plus more to come in 2019.
Wonder if Donnie To Stupid is done winning yet?

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:48 PM

8. Probably close to 100k jobs lost when u figure in all the suppliers and cottage businesses.

There are a lot of supplier jobs and simple things such as restaurants and bars around these plants.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:56 AM

10. Excellent points. nt

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:03 AM

12. These are upper middle income jobs for the most part.

With over time ,the gross should push 100k,not so much for the Verizon jobs,think they were mostly CSA's and a Back Room folks.

Back of the Envelope turn of the Auto jobs is about a turn of Seven times of their pay checks on main street. So your guesstamate of a 100 k might be a bit light,but this should not have happened,but it is happening. And the acceleration of this trend I fear is going to explode in the next few months.


And to think,we are just today seeing the fall out from Trump's pissing off the Chinese not being in our Grain markets. Again,these are people who helped install a total bullshit artist in the oval office.

In Rural America,those farm pay checks turn more than 7 times on main street due to the complexity of today's Agra Business. Whole Towns and Villages can be dependent on just a hand full of large Farms.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 06:25 PM

32. pretty sure they planned it this way.

knowing full well it would lean election more blue. they like the pukes for business, even if they completely go out of business. jesus freaks and business men both love Two Scoops.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:37 PM

4. Elections have consequences, like job killing tariffs. Don't vote for Republicans Michigan.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:43 PM

6. We took a good first shot at them this year.

2020 will be when we finish them off in MI.

Fred Upton and Tim Walberg are our next US House targets.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:45 PM

7. Go baby Go

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:54 PM

9. Congrats, Lordstown.

Trumbull County, Ohio, shifted 30 points to vote Trump. That didnít save its car plant.

The story of the 2016 presidential election, to some extent, can be told by what happened in Trumbull County, Ohio.

In 2012, the state voted narrowly for Barack Obama. When Ohio was called for Obama on election night, his reelection was all but ensured. But four years later, the state backed Republican Donald Trump by eight points. That was in part because of shifts in places such as Trumbull, a perfectly square county near Youngstown. Obama won Trumbull by 23 points. Trump won it by more than six.

Why? In part because Trumpís pitch was tailored very specifically to places like Trumbull County.

I went to high school there, alongside a number of kids whose parents worked at the Lordstown automotive plant. If the story of nearby Youngstown tracked with the steel industry, the story of Warren (Trumbullís county seat) at that time was about how Lordstown was faring. Trumpís promise to bolster blue-collar manufacturing was exactly the sort of thing that would resonate in the area, a place no longer as dependent on manufacturing as it had been but a place still more dependent on it than others. I mean, this was the district once represented by former congressman Jim Traficant (D), a pre-Trump Trump.

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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:03 AM

11. Yeah, everything Trump said was bullshit. But I can understand how they would believe him, kind of.

 

I lived in the Ohio Valley with my wife from there, and went to college with coal miners from there in the 90s (career change). I got along with these guys great, and they were always waiting to get back to the mine. They never wanted to leave for jobs elsewhere. It was their home, so they put all their hopes on mining.

Itís happened again and again, and when this con artist from the Northeast (Iím from there and already had his number) came along, he just told them what they wanted to hear, because they were already desperate. I know they will figure it out sooner or later, but his damage is already done. He sold them a lemon.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:11 AM

14. But in the end with farmers plowing their crops back under, all those people losing their jobs ....

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... in the auto industry, the coal mines not opening back up and looking square into the face
of another recession but America must deal with the real issue and that is, "what about Hillary's
emails?"

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Response to Botany (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:38 PM

22. May I have your permission

to steal this?

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Response to ellie (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:54 PM

23. Sure take it .... btw it needs a little help with its punctuation

BTW Louisiana Farmer (Trump Voter) plowing under his crops story


Harvesting in a trade war: US crops rot as storage costs soar

U.S. farmers finishing their harvests are facing a big problem - where to put the mountain of grain they cannot sell to Chinese buyers.

For Louisiana farmer Richard Fontenot and his neighbors, the solution was a costly one: Let the crops rot.

For Louisiana farmer Richard Fontenot and his neighbors, the solution was a costly one: Let the crops rot.
Fontenot plowed under 1,000 of his 1,700 soybean acres this fall, chopping plants into the dirt instead of harvesting more than $300,000 worth of beans.

His beans were damaged by bad weather, made worse by a wet harvest. Normally, he could sell them anyway to a local elevator - giant silos usually run by international grains merchants that store grain.
But this year they aren't buying as much damaged grain. The elevators are already chock full.
"No one wants them," Fontenot said in a telephone interview. As he spoke, he drove his tractor across a soybean field, tilling under his crop. "I don't know what else to do."

Across the United States, grain farmers are plowing under crops, leaving them to rot or piling them on the ground, in hopes of better prices next year, according to interviews with more than two dozen farmers, academic researchers and farm lenders. It's one of the results, they say, of a U.S. trade war with China that has sharply hurt export demand and swamped storage facilities with excess grain.

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Response to Botany (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 03:57 PM

24. Thank you!

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:22 AM

15. He promised them tariffs and he delivered

Who's fault is it that union households think tariffs are good and trade agreements are bad?

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Response to mathematic (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:28 AM

16. I wonder.

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Response to mathematic (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:33 PM

21. Even though they have been living off of those bad trade deals for decades.

 

I guess they don't know that.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:41 AM

17. Most who voted for Trump in 2016 will vote for him again if he's on the ballot in 2020.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:01 PM

18. I can't believe that.

His goose steppers will, but I think he will lose many many decent folk, that is if he isnít in jail or on his way.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:07 PM

19. He got 62 million votes in 2016. How many do you think he'll get in 2020?

Assuming, of course, that he hasn't resigned.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:27 PM

20. Fuck 'em. They knew what they were getting into.

I have no pity for anyone who voted for this lump. None. Zilch. They've been dead to me since 11/9/16.

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Response to java108 (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 04:13 PM

26. If this was the first time maybe I could sympathize, but they did the same thing voting for Reagan,

and it was Reagan who started the systematic attack against unions

It also was no secret that Trump was a racist, sexist, bigot, and that didn't bother them from voting for him



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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 04:03 PM

25. Maybe they should've exercised critical thinking and reasoned that he was full of shit.

Most of us did.

If they fell for the con artist I can't help them. But many of them proudly called themselves deplorable and screamed "lock her up" at his rallies.

They can burn their maga hats for warmth this winter.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 04:21 PM

28. racism trumped self interest.

 

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 04:33 PM

29. llegitimi non carborundum-Latin

"Don't let the bastards get you down."

These vampires will soon burst into flame when facing the dawn outside their cozy crypt.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 04:36 PM

30. It is sad and disappointing folks can be so gullible sometimes

Gullible to their own detriment.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 04:40 PM

31. The question is, will all of those who fell for Trump's promises in 2016

get fooled again in 2020, or have they learned their lesson?

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 06:59 PM

33. I remember

This is what happened just before the last recession. I remember talk show folks crowing about how Ford and G M were laying off excess workers to be more profitable. Not to long after both companies were almost bankrupt. After all, for every worker at least 2cars will not be bought. Sad day for us all.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 12:24 AM

36. But they knew he was a liar, right? They were told over and over and over, right?

And so they knew.

Right?

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Response to Iggo (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 08:53 AM

37. There were many who didn't vote for him.

Letís not forget that he didnít win millions of votes. Itís those folks I feel bad for.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 09:12 AM

39. OTOH if they stayed at home and didn't vote

 

They helped Dump take over as well.

I feel zero pity for active or inactive Trump voters.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 09:08 AM

38. Whats that story about picking up a poisonous snake?

 

These people knew exactly what they were voting for.

In the internet age, you can't claim ignorance about Trump or the GOP in general.

They knew full well Trump is a raging racist hater and a greasy con man, a fake Christian and a traitor and still voted for the bastard!

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 09:12 AM

40. I get no pleasure, but I have no sympathy.

They knowingly voted for a racist.

WOMP WOMP.

I'll send my thoughts and prayers.....

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