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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHere's what Paul Manafort was lying about--and it's the missing piece between Moscow and Trump
At the end of the month, two things happened: Trump met with his campaign team, where Papadopoulos discussed Russian help and the possibility of meeting with Putin. And Paul Manafort was hired by the Trump campaign
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/27/1815508/-Here-s-what-Paul-Manafort-was-lying-about-and-it-s-the-missing-piece-between-Moscow-and-Trump?detail=emaildkre
Donald Trumps former campaign manager Paul Manafort held secret talks with Julian Assange inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London, and visited around the time he joined Trumps campaign, the Guardian has been told.
The source for the story sets Manaforts visit to Assange in March of 2016. Which puts Manaforts visit, and his chairing of the Trump campaign, squarely in the middle of the Russian hacking effort.
This is what that period looked like when everything is put together: On February 29, Paul Manafort sent Trump a written pitch document explaining how he should direct the campaign. His pitch was backed by a recommendation from Roger Stone. The very next week, Trump senior campaign staffer Sam Clovis told the team that good US-Russia relations were a goal of the campaign. The week after that George Papadopoulos, fresh off hearing Clovis describe the campaigns desire for good Russia relations, first met with the London-based professor who claimed to have Russia connections. That was all in March.
So was this: Russians begin a dedicated attempt to hack into the emails of more than 300 employees of the DNC, DCCC, and Clinton campaign using two large teams of specialists. They managed to penetrate the the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, stealing 50,000 emails through a phishing attack. Hackers gained another entrance to other accounts on the campaign that same week, and began sophisticated attacks on the security of servers at the DNC. That was in March.
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If Paul Manafort was meeting with Julian Assange in March 2016, it shows that every part of the Russian plan, from stealing Democratic emails to distributing them through WikiLeaks, was planned in advance. And that the campaign chair of the Trump campaign was at the dead center of that plan.
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Lock 'em up.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Botany
(70,504 posts)And now Mueller has Manafort, Stone, Corsi, and Assange in one neat little package
and it goes right back to the Trump Campaign.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)I smell a trap, see #5 below
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Note on reports that Manafort met with Ecuadorian president Lenin Moreno in 2017: Why would Mueller be interested? Because the Ecuadorian government conducted a $5m spying operation at the London embassy to track Assange's guests, and have detailed logs of the same,.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)have a security system
please see response number 5
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grantcart
(53,061 posts)People are jumping to conclusions on a very thinly sourced story
Please see # 5 below
FreeState
(10,572 posts)if the company did what they were allegedly hired to do they will have him on tape.
That's the logical conclusion anyway.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)There is no supporting evidence that he went to the embassy.
The most logical conclusion is that they are flooding the media with false allegations so that they can say that Manafort is being railroaded.
The did it with Dan Rather.
They are seeding the media so that they can pardon Manafort, a subject Trump addressed just now
https://nypost.com/2018/11/28/trump-says-pardon-for-paul-manafort-still-a-possibility/
This is what I think is really going on
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211484061
marble falls
(57,081 posts)Russians do, too.
The only trap here is the one Mueller set successfully.
avebury
(10,952 posts)There are cameras all over London. I doubt that anybody could enter any embassy in London without the Brits know who, what, where and when.
Botany
(70,504 posts).... P.D. and other needed contacts. If Bob has video of Manafort going in and out of the
Ecuadorian Embassy it is all over.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)recordings etc. that can be authenticated. I assume law enforcement can carry the weight of the evidence.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)knew and plotting with Manafort, Stone and Corsi, and probably more (GOPs).
They stole the 2016 elections across board and probably the recent mid-term senate as well. Red states do cheat, and that's a fact -Jack!
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Fuzzpope
(602 posts)bluestarone
(16,933 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)All other major leaks usually have multiple outlets confirming.
I am smelling a Rather like set up. Leak the story and then have incontrovertible evidence that Manafort was somewhere else. Then Trump comes out and pardons him because the media is spreading false stories about Manafort and claiming he was treated unfairly.
I am suspicious of this story
allgood33
(1,584 posts)marble falls
(57,081 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)moonscape
(4,673 posts)... about the story not being well-sourced, so I'm with you.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)I would love second hand corroboration from another source or sources besides the Guardian.
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)Our president is a thief and a liar ... among other things.
He and his co-conspirators stole the election.
A DAY IN THE LIFE
(88 posts)nt
Botany
(70,504 posts)At the end of the month, two things happened: Trump met with his campaign team, where Papadopoulos discussed Russian help and the possibility of meeting with Putin. And Paul Manafort was hired by the Trump campaign
orangecrush
(19,549 posts)?1523317113
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)one of the sealed indictments Mueller has is for Trump and its designed to be unsealed only once he is out of office.
RightiswrongTn
(92 posts)I love it!! Sound familiar lol. What a fucking mess!! Calgon..take me away!!
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Rizen
(708 posts)is coming soon.
ffr
(22,669 posts)There's a reason.
blue-wave
(4,352 posts)Treason.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)But we live in an illogical world...
I believe that the science on climate change is equally easy to comprehend - greenhouse gases, the half-life of gases in the upper levels of the atmosphere, the annual amounts of emissions...A+B+C = DEFINED OUTCOME, yet widespread denialism persists and people keep on doing nothing in the face of an existential crisis.
This entire Trump-Russia-Wikileaks-Electioneering is no different in my eyes. There are clear bad actors and timelines that establish who, what, when, where, why and how...yet Trump bloviates about "no Collusion" and accuses Mueller of being a double agent or conflicted Dem or other such nonsense...and the story keeps rolling along even though his guilt and complicity are obvious when the entire picture is viewed...
Donald Trump is simply using the same tactics and BS that asshats like Lord Monckton or Duane Gish have used in the climate change or creationism arenas for decades...only now it is applied openly to politics and even reporting as to relevant facts...
So infuriating.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Muller will reveal the lies.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)would go to the embassy. He would send someone else. I also smell a rat. I watched all of the cable news outlets parroting the same narrative yesterday, what happened to needing 2 sources before anything is aired?
I'm cooling my heels on this one.
2naSalit
(86,600 posts)with the exception of agentorange, can be perp-walked this afternoon. If the shitneck has nobody in his inner circle able to be there when he melts down, we would end up with a President Pelosi, and I would be fine with that. I'm thinking the time frame for all this turning around could be about early March of 19. I just have a feeling about that, don't know why.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)a number of Russian sympathizing Repugnants.
Hekate
(90,677 posts)...just another real estate transaction. Except this is our country.
Next time some asshole says government or schools should be run like a business, remind them of Donald Trump.
Sedona
(3,769 posts)The Russians sent Manafort to the Trump campaign in order to act as a go between Wikileaks in order to rig the election. (rough quote)