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Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:10 PM

 

Oh no!!! Please let this not be true

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2018/12/01/neil-degrasse-tyson-under-investigation-after-accusations-sexual-misconduct/?utm_term=.c137fb54fe4f



Neil deGrasse Tyson under investigation after accusations of sexual misconduct

Neil deGrasse Tyson (Charles Sykes/Invision/AP)
By Sarah Kaplan and
Ben Guarino December 1 at 9:02 PM


Days after multiple women accused Neil deGrasse Tyson of sexual harassment and assault, Fox Entertainment Group and the producers of the television series ďCosmosĒ said they were investigating the celebrity astrophysicist.

The allegations were reported Thursday on the website Patheos, which features writing on religion, science and the skeptic community. In the report, Bucknell University astronomer Katelyn Allers said that Tyson grabbed her arm and reached into her dress while looking at a tattoo of the solar system. Ashley Watson, a former assistant to Tyson who worked on his latest ďCosmosĒ series, said she quit her job after Tyson made inappropriate sexual advances.

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Reply Oh no!!! Please let this not be true (Original post)
Le Gaucher Dec 2018 OP
dhol82 Dec 2018 #1
irisblue Dec 2018 #2
defacto7 Dec 2018 #4
aeromanKC Dec 2018 #6
aeromanKC Dec 2018 #8
Le Gaucher Dec 2018 #9
dalton99a Dec 2018 #10
defacto7 Dec 2018 #14
defacto7 Dec 2018 #3
dalton99a Dec 2018 #5
aeromanKC Dec 2018 #7
CentralMass Dec 2018 #11
LovingA2andMI Dec 2018 #12
manor321 Dec 2018 #13
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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:14 PM

1. I will wait for confirmation.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:15 PM

2. From his twitter feed to his facebook

Neil deGrasse Tyson (@neiltyson) Tweeted:
***On Being Accused***

https://t.co/8MWD9ttSId



You don't have to have a FB or twitter acct to read this

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Response to irisblue (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:17 PM

4. I don't have either and FB wants me to login.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:24 PM

6. Tyson's response

Summer 2018 Incident
While filming this past summer, I had a (female) Production Assistant assigned to me, to ensure, among her countless tasks, that every ounce of my energy was efficiently allocated to the production needs of the show. As part of this, she was also my driver, to and from the studio, ensuring that I arrive on time. In the car we would review details of the shoot and she would help me anticipate parts of the shoot to come. Across the many weeks of shooting she and I spent upwards of a hundred hours in one-on-one conversation. We became so friendly that we talked about all manner of subjects, even social-personal ones, like the care of aging parents, sibling relationships, life in high school and college, hometown hobbies, race, gender, and so forth. We also discussed less-personal topics in abundance, like rock lyrics, favorite songs in various musical genres, concert experiences, etc. And we also talked about food Ė Iím kind of a foodie, and her fiancť was a chef. In short, we had a fun, talkative friendship.
She is a talented, warm and friendly person -- excellent traits for morale on a high pressure production. Practically everyone she knows on set gets a daily welcome-hug from her. I expressly rejected each hug offered frequently during the Production. But in its place I offered a handshake, and on a few occasions, clumsily declared, ďIf I hug you I might just want more.Ē My intent was to express restrained but genuine affection.
In the final week of shooting, with just a few days left, as a capstone of our friendship, I invited her to wine & cheese at my place upon dropping me off from work. No pressure. I serve wine & cheese often to visitors. And I even alerted her that others from the production were gathering elsewhere that evening, so she could just drop me off and head straight there or anywhere elsewhere. She freely chose to come by for wine & cheese and I was delighted. In the car, we had started a long conversation that could continue unabated. Production days are long. We arrived late, but she was on her way home two hours later.
Afterwards, she came into my office to told me she was creeped out by the wine & cheese evening. She viewed the invite as an attempt to seduce her, even though she sat across the wine & cheese table from me, and all conversation had been in the same vein as all other conversations we ever had.
Further, I never touched her until I shook her hand upon departure. On that occasion, I had offered a special handshake, one I learned from a Native elder on reservation land at the edge of the Grand Canyon. You extend your thumb forward during the handshake to feel the other personís vital spirit energy -- the pulse. Iíve never forgotten that handshake, and I save it in appreciation of people with whom Iíve developed new friendships.
At that last meeting in my office, I apologized profusely. She accepted the apology. And I assured her that had I known she was uncomfortable, I would have apologized on the spot, ended the evening, and possibly reminded her of the other social gathering that she could attend. She nonetheless declared it her last day, with only a few days left of production.
I note that her final gesture to me was the offer of a hug, which I accepted as a parting friend.

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Response to aeromanKC (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:31 PM

8. The 2009 Tattoo Incident

A colleague at a well attended, after-conference, social gathering came up to me to ask for a photograph. She was wearing a sleeveless dress with a tattooed solar system extending up her arm. And while I donít explicitly remember searching for Pluto at the top of her shoulder, it is surely something I would have done in that situation. As we all know, I have professional history with the demotion of Pluto, which had occurred officially just three years earlier. So whether people include it or not in their tattoos is of great interest to me. I was reported to have ďgropedĒ her by searching ďup her dressĒ, when this was simply a search under the covered part of her shoulder of the sleeveless dress.

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Response to aeromanKC (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:39 PM

9. I believe him.

 

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:43 PM

10. Here:

On Being Accused
Neil deGrasse Tyson ∑ Saturday, December 1, 2018

For a variety of reasons, most justified, some unjustified, men accused of sexual impropriety in todayís ďme-tooĒ climate are presumed to be guilty by the court of public opinion. Emotions bypass due-process, people choose sides, and the social media wars begin.

In any claim, evidence matters. Evidence always matters. But what happens when itís just one personís word against anotherís, and the stories donít agree? Thatís when people tend to pass judgment on who is more credible than whom. And thatís when an impartial investigation can best serve the truth Ė and would have my full cooperation to do so.

Iíve recently been publically accused of sexual misconduct. These accusations have received a fair amount of press in the past forty-eight hours, unaccompanied by my reactions. In many cases, itís not the mediaís fault. I declined comment on the grounds that serious accusations should not be adjudicated in the press. But clearly I cannot continue to stay silent. So below I offer my account of each accusation.

The 2009 Incident

I am asked by thousands of people per year to take pictures with them. A flattering, time consuming, but delightful chore. As many in my fan-base can attest, I get almost giddy if I notice youíre wearing cosmic bling Ė clothing or jewelry or tattoos that portray the universe, either scientifically or artistically. And I make it a priority to point out these adornments for the photograph.

A colleague at a well attended, after-conference, social gathering came up to me to ask for a photograph. She was wearing a sleeveless dress with a tattooed solar system extending up her arm. And while I donít explicitly remember searching for Pluto at the top of her shoulder, it is surely something I would have done in that situation. As we all know, I have professional history with the demotion of Pluto, which had occurred officially just three years earlier. So whether people include it or not in their tattoos is of great interest to me. I was reported to have ďgropedĒ her by searching ďup her dressĒ, when this was simply a search under the covered part of her shoulder of the sleeveless dress.

I only just learned (nine years after) that she thought this behavior creepy. That was never my intent and Iím deeply sorry to have made her feel that way. Had I been told of her discomfort in the moment, I would have offered this same apology eagerly, and on the spot. In my mindís eye, Iím a friendly and accessible guy, but going forward, I can surely be more sensitive to peopleís personal space, even in the midst of my planetary enthusiasm.

Summer 2018 Incident

While filming this past summer, I had a (female) Production Assistant assigned to me, to ensure, among her countless tasks, that every ounce of my energy was efficiently allocated to the production needs of the show. As part of this, she was also my driver, to and from the studio, ensuring that I arrive on time. In the car we would review details of the shoot and she would help me anticipate parts of the shoot to come. Across the many weeks of shooting she and I spent upwards of a hundred hours in one-on-one conversation. We became so friendly that we talked about all manner of subjects, even social-personal ones, like the care of aging parents, sibling relationships, life in high school and college, hometown hobbies, race, gender, and so forth. We also discussed less-personal topics in abundance, like rock lyrics, favorite songs in various musical genres, concert experiences, etc. And we also talked about food Ė Iím kind of a foodie, and her fiancť was a chef. In short, we had a fun, talkative friendship.

She is a talented, warm and friendly person -- excellent traits for morale on a high pressure production. Practically everyone she knows on set gets a daily welcome-hug from her. I expressly rejected each hug offered frequently during the Production. But in its place I offered a handshake, and on a few occasions, clumsily declared, ďIf I hug you I might just want more.Ē My intent was to express restrained but genuine affection.

In the final week of shooting, with just a few days left, as a capstone of our friendship, I invited her to wine & cheese at my place upon dropping me off from work. No pressure. I serve wine & cheese often to visitors. And I even alerted her that others from the production were gathering elsewhere that evening, so she could just drop me off and head straight there or anywhere elsewhere. She freely chose to come by for wine & cheese and I was delighted. In the car, we had started a long conversation that could continue unabated. Production days are long. We arrived late, but she was on her way home two hours later.

Afterwards, she came into my office to told me she was creeped out by the wine & cheese evening. She viewed the invite as an attempt to seduce her, even though she sat across the wine & cheese table from me, and all conversation had been in the same vein as all other conversations we ever had.

Further, I never touched her until I shook her hand upon departure. On that occasion, I had offered a special handshake, one I learned from a Native elder on reservation land at the edge of the Grand Canyon. You extend your thumb forward during the handshake to feel the other personís vital spirit energy -- the pulse. Iíve never forgotten that handshake, and I save it in appreciation of people with whom Iíve developed new friendships.

At that last meeting in my office, I apologized profusely. She accepted the apology. And I assured her that had I known she was uncomfortable, I would have apologized on the spot, ended the evening, and possibly reminded her of the other social gathering that she could attend. She nonetheless declared it her last day, with only a few days left of production.

I note that her final gesture to me was the offer of a hug, which I accepted as a parting friend.

Early 1980s

I entered astrophysics graduate school directly out of college in 1980. Itís a grueling adventure-marathon, and many people do not finish the PhD. In fact, it was not uncommon for half the admitted students to leave after two or three years, finding some other kind of work in their lives. While in graduate school I had several girlfriends, one of whom would become my wife of thirty years, a mathematical physicist -- we met in Relativity class. Over this time I had a brief relationship with a fellow astro-graduate student, from a more recent entering class. I remember being intimate only a few times, all at her apartment, but the chemistry wasnít there. So the relationship faded quickly. There was nothing otherwise odd or unusual about this friendship.

I didn't see much of her after that time. Our student offices were on different floors of the building and we were not in the same classes. A few years later, I ran into her, pregnant, with who I think was the father by her side. Thatís when I had learned that she dropped out of graduate school. Again, this is not itself an unusual fact, but I nonetheless wished her well in motherhood and in whatever career path would follow.

More than thirty years later, as my visibility-level took another jump, I read a freshly posted blog accusing me of drugging and raping a woman I did not recognize by either photo or name. Turned out to be the same person who I dated briefly in graduate school. She had changed her name and lived an entire life, married with children, before this accusation.

For me, what was most significant, was that in this new life, long after dropping out of astrophysics graduate school, she was posting videos of colored tuning forks endowed with vibrational therapeutic energy that she channels from the orbiting planets. As a scientist, I found this odd. Meanwhile, according to her blog posts, the drug and rape allegation comes from an assumption of what happened to her during a night that she cannot remember. It is as though a false memory had been implanted, which, because it never actually happened, had to be remembered as an evening she doesnít remember. Nor does she remember waking up the next morning and going to the office. I kept a record of everything she posted, in case her stories morphed over time. So this is sad, which, for me, defies explanation.

I note that this allegation was used as a kind of solicitation-bait by at least one journalist to bring out of the woodwork anybody who had any encounter with me that left them uncomfortable.

Overview

Iím the accused, so why believe anything I say? Why believe me at all?

That brings us back to the value of an independent investigation, which FOX/NatGeo (the networks on which Cosmos and StarTalk air) announced that they will conduct. I welcome this.

Accusations can damage a reputation and a marriage. Sometimes irreversibly. I see myself as loving husband and as a public servant Ė a scientist and educator who serves at the will of the public. I am grateful for the support Iíve received from those who continue to respect and value me and my work.

Respectfully submitted, Neil deGrasse Tyson, New York City


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Response to dalton99a (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 11:44 PM

14. Thank you. It's a perfectly sensible and reasonable reply.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:15 PM

3. Investigate

That is all.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:18 PM

5. This tattoo?

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:29 PM

7. Hey, nice tattoo

Where's Pluto?

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Response to aeromanKC (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:47 PM

11. Wise guy.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:53 PM

12. Before Jumping....

Folks might want to read Dr. deGrasse Tyson's accounts, as they sound on surface believable:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/neil-degrasse-tyson/on-being-accused/10156870826326613/?comment_id=2138559249530297&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22O%22%7D

And if it is proven in the investigation by NAT/GEO that the allegations are BS, then a question must be asked if "Me Too" is becoming straight "BS".

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:58 PM

13. For now, I believe him

 

I read his response and it appears credible.

We really have to stick to due process or the rule of law is lost.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:28 AM

15. bet the vast rite wing conspiracy wants to demote him.

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