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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,721 posts)
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:05 AM Dec 2018

Now that Republicans are extinct in Orange County is it time to rename John Wayne Airport?







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I can abide by naming landmarks after famous conservatives, racists not so much...
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Now that Republicans are extinct in Orange County is it time to rename John Wayne Airport? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 OP
Well... 2naSalit Dec 2018 #1
I can abide by naming landmarks after famous conservatives, racists not so much... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #2
Oh, don't get me wrong 2naSalit Dec 2018 #6
"hard to change a name of a place after all these years" left-of-center2012 Dec 2018 #3
Good grief... 2naSalit Dec 2018 #7
That name change doesn't bother me. He was a president. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #8
He never said anything publicly, though his campaign for president started at Merlot Dec 2018 #32
Thanks left-of-center2012 Dec 2018 #13
And air traffic controllers still call it National because they hate Reagan. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #27
With good reason. Glad they have a long memory. Merlot Dec 2018 #33
So do most locals. Or they call it DCA. spooky3 Dec 2018 #42
For those who may not know ... left-of-center2012 Dec 2018 #45
They're not "extinct". awesomerwb1 Dec 2018 #4
They voted for Republicans and lost. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #5
oh dear, let's not take them for granted. Merlot Dec 2018 #34
Riiight. Because that's what I was saying. awesomerwb1 Dec 2018 #36
Rename it to Barack Obama Airport Access Geek Dec 2018 #9
lol.. oh the delicious irony. Cha Dec 2018 #57
They are NOT "extinct" by ANY means. One election isn't an extinction. You have to KEEP it by LBM20 Dec 2018 #10
Actually, if they knew what "far left" policies really are, they would probably Merlot Dec 2018 #37
Let me tell you what people in purple districts want (since I live in one) and what I mean: LBM20 Dec 2018 #61
Well, you certainly speak for a lot of people. Merlot Dec 2018 #63
How about Gwen Stefani? EricMaundry Dec 2018 #11
Or Michelle Pfeiffer. Dave Starsky Dec 2018 #14
Robert Mueller International Airport EricMaundry Dec 2018 #18
What about Diane Keaton? shanti Dec 2018 #25
It was named after Wayne over the objections of his family . . . Journeyman Dec 2018 #12
If he never made those racist comments I would have deemed him worthy of the honor. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #24
I Flew In and Out OF There A Lot ProfessorGAC Dec 2018 #64
They're not extinct, just encysted. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2018 #15
Really piss them off. Call it the Saul Alinsky or Gore Vidal Airport. TheBlackAdder Dec 2018 #16
Republikans kant rede so gud...think more along the lines of comic books. pecosbob Dec 2018 #26
++ !! Rename the airport and dedicate on Cesar Chavez Day lunasun Dec 2018 #52
Wow! I was totally unaware of that. Yes . . . rename it! Vinca Dec 2018 #17
The airport should be renamed, but I don't think Republicans are extinct in OC. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #19
True that. Merlot Dec 2018 #38
That's the Disneyland airport. displacedtexan Dec 2018 #20
I have a friend who's a cabbie in that area Just a Weirdo Dec 2018 #48
Time to change the name of the county to... StarryNite Dec 2018 #21
I can hit it with a rock from where I sit. Socal31 Dec 2018 #22
I was always amused to look at the larger than life bronze statue of him out front Brother Buzz Dec 2018 #23
Well pilgrim brokephibroke Dec 2018 #31
Hell, Vivian Vance's feet are bigger Brother Buzz Dec 2018 #41
Name it Jerry Brown Intl. brokephibroke Dec 2018 #28
I think it was originally Douglas Aircraft Co wasupaloopa Dec 2018 #29
I was unaware of that...very cool. pecosbob Dec 2018 #35
I have despised him Ohiogal Dec 2018 #30
yeah but that was called for in the script gopiscrap Dec 2018 #54
The OC County Board is still red RandySF Dec 2018 #39
Smope it whistler162 Dec 2018 #40
I like the sound of "Dalton Trumbo Field" BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #43
Doesn't matter to me either way. Kaleva Dec 2018 #44
Elvis was a hero to most, but he never meant shit to me ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #46
Elvis served in our country's military... JW, no. keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #50
Those were not my lyrics. I was quoting Chuck D. for the JW part ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #56
Same with RayGun, the right can lionize him all they want but he was nearly as racially shitty as DT uponit7771 Dec 2018 #59
Elvis never trafficked in racial tropes. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #62
Well...No. Xolodno Dec 2018 #47
Even in 1971 it would have been difficult for an avowed white supremacist to win elective office. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #49
How about a two for one deal with DCA?? Bleacher Creature Dec 2018 #51
Did anyone ever hear this urban legend about JW? Quote in OP does prove he was full of shit I guess lunasun Dec 2018 #53
How about Marion Morrison? GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #55
How about John McClane Airport, so travelers can feel safe Bucky Dec 2018 #58
there is a big ole statue of John Wayne in it. Demovictory9 Dec 2018 #60

2naSalit

(87,234 posts)
1. Well...
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:10 AM
Dec 2018

on the one hand, absolutely yes because all the reasons you might offer. And on the other hand, hard to change a name of a place after all these years.

But we'll get over it, at least most of us will. Some people just can't let go of a cudgel.

2naSalit

(87,234 posts)
6. Oh, don't get me wrong
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:28 AM
Dec 2018

I despise the POS and have for decades and would spit on his grave if I were so unfortunate to find myself in the vicinity. And I agree that it should be changed because of who he was. It was just a thought that I have experienced, even just last week, in trying to get the new name registered in a place in my head that I can know where that place actually is.

I was just in two major SW cities and was horrified at what they've become and somewhat reassured in that my 35 year-ago predictions did come true, just like I pictured it. Many places are so different, some renamed, I got claustrophobic early on in the sea of concrete and cars/trucks.

I do agree that it should be changed to something more appropriate.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
3. "hard to change a name of a place after all these years"
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:19 AM
Dec 2018

"On February 6, 1998, President Bill Clinton signed legislation changing the airport's name from Washington National Airport to Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, to honor the former president on his 87th birthday."

https://tinyurl.com/y9d4yu4u

2naSalit

(87,234 posts)
7. Good grief...
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:31 AM
Dec 2018

I was describing how making an adjustment to a name change might affect the population in one small way. I never implied that it should never be done or has never been done. Ease up.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,721 posts)
8. That name change doesn't bother me. He was a president.
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:33 AM
Dec 2018

And he never said anything as offensive as blacks are incapable of being in positions of responsibility.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
32. He never said anything publicly, though his campaign for president started at
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 03:30 PM
Dec 2018

the loudest dog whistle ever.

He was really good at that kind of thing - smiling congenially and not saying much.

spooky3

(34,591 posts)
42. So do most locals. Or they call it DCA.
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 03:57 PM
Dec 2018

Resist!

I do love Ron Reagan, however, and try to think of him rather than his dad, when someone calls it Reagan National.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
45. For those who may not know ...
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 04:48 PM
Dec 2018
Reagan fired all the air traffic controllers.

On August 5, following the PATCO workers' refusal to return to work, Reagan fired the 11,345 striking air traffic controllers who had ignored the order, and banned them from federal service for life. ... PATCO was decertified by the Federal Labor Relations Authority on October 22, 1981.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968)

awesomerwb1

(4,275 posts)
4. They're not "extinct".
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:27 AM
Dec 2018

There's plenty of them there and will vote and help a republican win if we get too cocky and take them for granted.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
34. oh dear, let's not take them for granted.
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 03:31 PM
Dec 2018

Let's cower at the mere thought of doing something offensive to republicans.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
10. They are NOT "extinct" by ANY means. One election isn't an extinction. You have to KEEP it by
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:51 AM
Dec 2018

continuing to build the D party there and by doing what the majority of people THERE want in the ways they want it done. It is most likely more of a purple area now, and not deep blue. They want practical, honorable, and moderate policies and leadership. They don't want FAR left policies nor FAR left cultural approaches. America is BIG. California is BIG. You tailor to the area you are in. Orange County, CA is not like deep blue North Hampton, MA.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
37. Actually, if they knew what "far left" policies really are, they would probably
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 03:33 PM
Dec 2018

like them...as long as they weren't called "far left."

Stuff like Social security, medicare for all, environmental protections, etc.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
61. Let me tell you what people in purple districts want (since I live in one) and what I mean:
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 05:37 AM
Dec 2018

* Many are not ready for Medicare For All because they are concerned about costs. Expansion of the ACA (i.e. getting drug costs down, expanding Medicaid, 55 year old Medicare buy-in) is more palatable for them right now, which is an advance but more moderate.

* The majority in these districts believe in the individual's right to own guns for hunting, sport shooting, and self protection. They are mostly ok with increased background checks (with exemptions for current gun owners, gun exchanges between family members, etc.) and more attention on mental health. But they don't want gun bans. And some on the far left do.

* They don't want extreme regulation on business.

* They want middle class tax cuts, not tax increases. They especially want property tax cuts. (Some on the far left want to increase taxes on everyone for more social programs.)

* They want fair comprehensive immigration reform and support DACA, but they also want the border secured (which is part of comprehensive immigration reform), period.

* They want people to be responsible and work hard, and policies which reflect this. ("Welfare is a hand up, not a hand out." ) And they don't want people on welfare programs using the money to buy junk food or liquor.

* They do support investments in their schools, roads, bridges, and broadband.

* They want good-paying jobs, not just social programs or things like a "higher minimum wage." They want good jobs and careers that pay more than ANY minimum wage.

* They support public safety, law and order, veterans, and national security.

* They want respect. Many attend church and have traditional family and cultural values. They don't want to be ridiculed for it.

This is why many moderate, and not far-left, Dems flipped districts from red to blue in November. They were moderate candidates, like Jared Golden in my congressional district (Connor Lamb in PA, and many others) who COULD win in a purple district that often elects Republicans or have had Republican representation for many years. Candidates seen as "too liberal" usually can not win in these districts.







Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
14. Or Michelle Pfeiffer.
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:59 AM
Dec 2018

She was even Miss Orange County back in the day.

I'd prefer either of them over the fraud that was John Wayne (AKA Marion Morrison).

shanti

(21,675 posts)
25. What about Diane Keaton?
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 03:19 PM
Dec 2018

She attended the same HS that I did, Santa Ana HS, albeit 10 years earlier.

Journeyman

(15,060 posts)
12. It was named after Wayne over the objections of his family . . .
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:56 AM
Dec 2018

Wayne himself probably would have been appalled at the "honor." The flight path of the airport went directly over his Newport Harbor home and the noise was a constant source of irritation. Even today, planes must throttle back when taking off in order to cut their noise.

There was a considerable debate when the name change was first floated. Many sided with the family, that naming the airport for him was inappropriate, while a large contingent argued points similar to yours, that he was not a man worthy of such recognition. County supervisors, however, were not deterred -- they chose their perception of political expediency over the more informed voices of the day.

Not defending the jackass. Just stating the prevalent attitudes towards the original name change to JWA.

And pleasant as it is to contemplate, reports of the "death" of OC Republicans are, to paraphrase Twain, an exaggeration. They will continue to vex us all for the balance of our lives. They still control many of the OC cities and county offices. Keeping them throttled in every way will require continuing efforts.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,721 posts)
24. If he never made those racist comments I would have deemed him worthy of the honor.
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 03:18 PM
Dec 2018

He did represent an archetype, albeit an archetype that is inherently flawed.

ProfessorGAC

(65,688 posts)
64. I Flew In and Out OF There A Lot
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:55 AM
Dec 2018

As i recall it's a quite steep path in and out, and there were quite strict hours for takeoff and landing times.

IIRC, there are no flights leaving before 6am. Pretty sure that return flight i used to take was 6:45, and when i got there at 5:30, the airport was far from jammed.

pecosbob

(7,579 posts)
26. Republikans kant rede so gud...think more along the lines of comic books.
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 03:19 PM
Dec 2018

If you really want to toast their almonds, name it Cesar Chavez Airport.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
19. The airport should be renamed, but I don't think Republicans are extinct in OC.
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:37 PM
Dec 2018

After Trump is gone, Republicans will make a comeback.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
38. True that.
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 03:37 PM
Dec 2018

republicans will come scuttling out of hiding when trumpft is gone. They won't be embarrassed either, they'll just want "bygons to be bygons" cuz the past is so yesterday. However, they will still hammer and yammer on about the Clintons, because that stuff really was important.

 

Just a Weirdo

(488 posts)
48. I have a friend who's a cabbie in that area
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:15 PM
Dec 2018

Was just telling me about a lazy bastard that hired her to move him exactly 1.5 blocks from the John Wayne airport. She took care of that, but placed the bastard on her blacklist.

Brother Buzz

(36,528 posts)
23. I was always amused to look at the larger than life bronze statue of him out front
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 03:07 PM
Dec 2018

It's an eight foot statue of the 6'4" Duke wearing 8 1/2 cowboy boots, and you know what they say about a man with big shoes.

pecosbob

(7,579 posts)
35. I was unaware of that...very cool.
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 03:31 PM
Dec 2018

The people that brought us the Gooney Bird. One of the things Eisenhower claimed won the war, along with the Jeep and the bazooka.

gopiscrap

(23,772 posts)
54. yeah but that was called for in the script
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:15 PM
Dec 2018

him being a racist wasn't that's what would disqualify him for me.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
40. Smope it
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 03:50 PM
Dec 2018

"Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
46. Elvis was a hero to most, but he never meant shit to me
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:08 PM
Dec 2018

Straight up racist the sucka was simple and plain
Motherfuck him and John Wayne.

Lyrics courtesy of Chuck D.

It's interesting to note that the sentiment has been around for decades, but until now everyone has basically ignored it. The recent uptick in racism and xenophobia have shined a light on the dark underbelly of American culture and its not so savory icons.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
53. Did anyone ever hear this urban legend about JW? Quote in OP does prove he was full of shit I guess
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 10:56 PM
Dec 2018

Answered In Intestines
Did John Wayne die with 30lbs of feces in intestines?
No. This is an "urban legand" (various reports state 30lbs, 40lbs, etc) and has been debunked by the good folks at snopes.com. (see link below)
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/meat-your-maker-2/

No matter what the medical possibilities might be, the prototypical John Wayne example is still a demonstrable lie: No autopsy was performed on John Wayne when he succumbed to cancer in 1979. The medical examiner’s office had no reason to hold an autopsy since Wayne had obviously died from natural causes, and hospital pathologists had little to learn by requesting the autopsy of a cancer patient who had already undergone several major surgeries (and Wayne’s family would have denied such a request in any case). In fact, Wayne’s relatives were so intent on fending off a crush of media and fan attention after his death that they hired a security guard to block access to his hospital room, had his body quickly and secretly transferred to a mortuary, held a funeral service attended only by family and a few friends at 5:45 in the morning, and had him interred in a plot without a headstone.

Bucky

(54,162 posts)
58. How about John McClane Airport, so travelers can feel safe
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 02:53 AM
Dec 2018

or at least know that if they're killed by terrorist masterminds they'll die listening to someone's clever quips?

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