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kentuck

(111,069 posts)
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:14 AM Dec 2018

What is your opinion of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

She is a progressive firebrand that is already being attacked by FOX News and right-wing media outlets.

Some in the Democratic Party see her as a breath of fresh air, the future of the progressive movement in the Democratic Party. She may seem young and immature at times, but her heart is in the right place.

She is a fighter. When she is attacked, she responds in kind.

Like Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi before her, she is quickly becoming the new target for right-wingers to hate.

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What is your opinion of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? (Original Post) kentuck Dec 2018 OP
heh KG Dec 2018 #1
She will take no BS bdamomma Dec 2018 #2
She's a feisty young woman vlyons Dec 2018 #3
She is a strong spokesperson for the Medicare-for-All legislation. kentuck Dec 2018 #5
Feisty? Nah, just unabashedly honest! charliea Dec 2018 #107
+1 Power 2 the People Dec 2018 #123
I think you meant to use the word 'firebrand' sheshe2 Dec 2018 #4
edited kentuck Dec 2018 #7
You are very welcome. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #11
She scares them for some reason voteearlyvoteoften Dec 2018 #6
Right wingers are always the most scared of smart, outspoken women. Zing Zing Zingbah Dec 2018 #16
She tells truth to non-stop lies. She told truth throughout her campaign Texin Dec 2018 #55
I love her on Twitter RhodeIslandOne Dec 2018 #8
I support her. spanone Dec 2018 #9
+1000 Canoe52 Dec 2018 #65
Waiting for that "post removed" person to post. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2018 #10
Like her, Polly Hennessey Dec 2018 #12
Cranky old shut-ins and Fox News viewers hate her. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #13
Hey now, I'm old and cranky and I enjoy her feistiness, she has moxie. dae Dec 2018 #62
Will Rogers fan I am. saidsimplesimon Dec 2018 #79
Yes they love to hate her. Her haters make me like her more and more. Autumn Dec 2018 #102
I'd bet a week's pay there are LIBERAL shut-ins, too. Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #135
She's reminds me of my favorite politician, Shirley Chisholm... Unbought and unbossed! TheBlackAdder Dec 2018 #14
Shirley Chisholm was a heck of a lot smarter than this young woman. virgogal Dec 2018 #54
She apparently won 2nd place microbiotics award while in high school and did specialize IntRel & Eco TheBlackAdder Dec 2018 #91
absolutely support her, she terrifies the Rethug scum, I agree with most of her main political goals Celerity Dec 2018 #15
I missed that, and it definitely adds to her appeal. Only problem is that here in the US... TreasonousBastard Dec 2018 #19
That's why they hate her OnlinePoker Dec 2018 #95
she gained my respect when she defended Pelosi Yosemito Dec 2018 #17
I agree drmeow Dec 2018 #20
+1 Ponietz Dec 2018 #33
How did you feel when she attacked Joe Crowley (AFTER the primary), Tammy Duckworth..... George II Dec 2018 #118
my first impression is she lets her ego control her actions. Sometimes, you don't have to talk beachbum bob Dec 2018 #18
I agree. redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #30
An ego, among politicians? BlueWI Dec 2018 #141
I like her but that doesn't mean she would be an effective leader of a group. grantcart Dec 2018 #21
You should follow her cilla4progress Dec 2018 #22
I think she is an excellent advocate, however, those who are asserting that the republicans and fox still_one Dec 2018 #23
Very true. kentuck Dec 2018 #25
but she is doing the right thing. You need to stand up to bullies still_one Dec 2018 #32
I could not disagree with that statement more, watoos Dec 2018 #53
I love her. We need liberals that make people believe government can do good things for them. brewens Dec 2018 #24
I haven't decided yet Shell_Seas Dec 2018 #26
You bet, watoos Dec 2018 #56
Lol exactly. John Fante Dec 2018 #131
I think she's great melman Dec 2018 #27
She'll be fine Loki Liesmith Dec 2018 #28
Which ones don't you like? watoos Dec 2018 #58
Love her! silverweb Dec 2018 #29
I like her a lot... CincyDem Dec 2018 #31
My opinion, so glad you asked. (big grin) saidsimplesimon Dec 2018 #34
Yeah, cause that's what she's all about... not! Give her a break. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #92
I am a cautious person, saidsimplesimon Dec 2018 #101
That's fair... but, to suggest that AOC might look to serve her own interests InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #109
pardoned me? saidsimplesimon Dec 2018 #114
Thought that's what you said... no worries though. Hope all goes well despite the distractions. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #120
Obviously talented, should resist the urge to charge up every hill BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #35
I think she's neat. blogslut Dec 2018 #36
Generally I like her. Think she could be great. PoorMonger Dec 2018 #37
I view her situation like Tim Tebow's NFL career, and let me explain that in further detail. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2018 #38
Well said. dhol82 Dec 2018 #59
If I comment on your post I'm going to get in trouble. watoos Dec 2018 #66
Yes, very well said EffieBlack Dec 2018 #100
Pro teams have a way of exposing weaknesses like no other ... aggiesal Dec 2018 #117
I'm a fan but I don't have the attitude you criticize. Jim Lane Dec 2018 #138
She's fine wryter2000 Dec 2018 #39
The MSM is so hell bent on having to create a partisan rivalry LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #75
You put it better than I did. n/t wryter2000 Dec 2018 #83
this is actually a great reply, very well thought out and so accurate of what the MSM does Celerity Dec 2018 #122
I was worried about her, and I'll admit I was wrong. Qutzupalotl Dec 2018 #40
... CousinIT Dec 2018 #41
she's definitely growing on me NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #42
I like her fighting spirit. She's a real leader. I don't always agree w/her, but... Bucky Dec 2018 #43
You Go Girl! djacq Dec 2018 #44
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2018 #45
L O V E her! pdsimdars Dec 2018 #46
I wish she was my congresswoman oldlibdem Dec 2018 #47
She is the future of the Democratic party kimbutgar Dec 2018 #48
You got that right... the future looks bright indeed with AOC bringing the heat. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #93
We'll see... Wounded Bear Dec 2018 #49
I absolutely love her ZeroSomeBrains Dec 2018 #50
I'm a fan matt819 Dec 2018 #51
She is FANTASTIC.. disillusioned73 Dec 2018 #52
I like her. She brings up fights for ideas we need to consider. SharonAnn Dec 2018 #57
As a rookie MOC, I will give her a free pass. DinahMoeHum Dec 2018 #60
I think she is fine right now, as is. watoos Dec 2018 #71
AOC is Young and Full of Fire-I'm Looking Forward to Seeing What She Can Accomplish dlk Dec 2018 #61
I like her a lot Marrah_Goodman Dec 2018 #63
She is right about a lot of things. She needs more polish to be able to get things done. nt Blue_true Dec 2018 #64
I see her as a very vocal progressive in a very safe district. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #67
I like her so far shanti Dec 2018 #68
She is blazing a trail Mira Dec 2018 #69
I was a bit skeptical of her at first Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2018 #70
I like her. 47of74 Dec 2018 #72
She's HOT! hurple Dec 2018 #73
My opinion is that she is a progressive House member from New York. MineralMan Dec 2018 #74
We need to have her back. watoos Dec 2018 #76
I think she has great potential. TNNurse Dec 2018 #77
Love her. She is the future if we are to survive rainy Dec 2018 #78
I think her reach is going to extend qazplm135 Dec 2018 #80
i like her. barbtries Dec 2018 #81
I hope she runs for VP as Bernie's running mate. Joe941 Dec 2018 #82
She doesn't meet the age requirement in the Constitution to run in 2020. nt TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #103
Ridiculous. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #142
Young and green, but has potential Azathoth Dec 2018 #84
Jury is still out for me Charlotte Little Dec 2018 #85
I think Ocasio-Cortez will replace Nancy Pelosi.... Joe Nation Dec 2018 #86
young, naive, not ready for prime time kennetha Dec 2018 #87
Big thumbs up from me! NRaleighLiberal Dec 2018 #88
I like her and I LOVE how she throws Republican shit right back at them. lilactime Dec 2018 #89
Too early to tell, IMO! BlueMTexpat Dec 2018 #90
Love her fire and fearlessness. Magoo48 Dec 2018 #94
A little seasoning and she'll do just fine. I think she's prime leadership material. marble falls Dec 2018 #96
+1 n/t Devil Child Dec 2018 #106
I have no idea. MyNameGoesHere Dec 2018 #97
I have positive opinion of Rep. Ocasio-Cortez Devil Child Dec 2018 #98
I would hesitate before comparing someone who hasn't spent a single day in Congress yet.... George II Dec 2018 #99
I would hesitate as well if comparing achivements, experience, and accolades Devil Child Dec 2018 #104
Thank you! MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #143
The more people hate her, the more I like her. Iggo Dec 2018 #105
We ere fortunate to have her. She's not the only strong young Democrat we elected to the House Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #108
I don't have one yet. Her record of accomplishments in Congress is rather sparse at this point DFW Dec 2018 #110
She speaks truth to power. Of course they're terrified of her. fierywoman Dec 2018 #111
They SHOULD be afraid... VERY afraid!! No amount of man-splainin' by Rethugs will keep AOC quiet. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #121
I kind of like her so far get the red out Dec 2018 #112
Though She's been hyped by the media because of her Primary Victory Ccarmona Dec 2018 #113
She's smart, quick to act. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #115
I expect to be voting Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #116
I like her Bettie Dec 2018 #119
At the risk of sounding like a geezer (which I am), I think she's got spunk. Vinca Dec 2018 #124
Personally, I find her a bit annoying. Calista241 Dec 2018 #125
I think highly of her. Quemado Dec 2018 #126
I love her - I love that she keeps her constitutients informed & fights backs womanofthehills Dec 2018 #127
she is defintely an asset to dem party AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #128
I find it interesting how she truly wants to drain the swamp/change DC but Repubs hate her. LonePirate Dec 2018 #129
I like her. But she has to learn to listen, as well as raise hell. NT Adrahil Dec 2018 #130
I didn't like her attacking Democrats, but to be fair, she has done well in the last couple of weeks OnDoutside Dec 2018 #132
Promising rookie, prone to rookie mistakes; needs time to reach potential. VOX Dec 2018 #133
An up and comer. LanternWaste Dec 2018 #134
She gets alot of attention for someone who hasn't been sworn in yet LeftInTX Dec 2018 #136
Like. moondust Dec 2018 #137
More favorable impression than a couple of months ago Awsi Dooger Dec 2018 #139
There should be a reality tv show, she'd be a great topic. betsuni Dec 2018 #140
I like her, l don't agree with her Raine Dec 2018 #144

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
3. She's a feisty young woman
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:19 AM
Dec 2018

Not afraid of any one. I'm enjoying her reported comments. We'll find out next year if she's an effective legislator.

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
5. She is a strong spokesperson for the Medicare-for-All legislation.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:22 AM
Dec 2018

She makes some valid arguments.

charliea

(260 posts)
107. Feisty? Nah, just unabashedly honest!
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:11 PM
Dec 2018

I've seen the right wingers bash her as uninformed, bash her background, insinuate she's a liar because she bought a new suit for her new job ("doesn't look poor to me&quot , and complain that she's a liberal looney. I can only skim so much of that swamp but I've never seen any mention of the fact that at 17 (from wikipedia):

Ocasio-Cortez attended Yorktown High School, graduating in 2007,[20] where she won second prize in the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair with a microbiology research project on the effect of antioxidants on C. elegans' lifespan.[21]

This is a big deal, at least to me. The people who achieve this level of scientific recognition are driven, focused, and brilliant, IMO. The fact that she's directed those talents that toward ends that I completely approve of may cloud my opinion but damn, if she proves to live up to my expectations I'd expect her to be running for President in 2028, hopefully after 8 years of clean-up by a Democratic president Warren/Harris/Biden/Sanders/<your choice here>

I really liked her tweet response to Huckabee.

#RESIST

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
4. I think you meant to use the word 'firebrand'
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:21 AM
Dec 2018

I think you meant to use the word 'firebrand'...not 'fireplug'.

She is a progressive fireplug that is already being attacked by FOX News and right-wing media outlets.





voteearlyvoteoften

(1,716 posts)
6. She scares them for some reason
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:22 AM
Dec 2018

She is brave and up against a lot of hate. So be well AOC ,and be careful of the crazies.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
16. Right wingers are always the most scared of smart, outspoken women.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:33 AM
Dec 2018

A lot of them are sexist, insecure men and their biggest fear is to be overshadowed by a woman.

Texin

(2,594 posts)
55. She tells truth to non-stop lies. She told truth throughout her campaign
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:03 PM
Dec 2018

and the citizens of Brooklyn were receptive to the truth and to her message. I don't know how well she'll do in Congress when it convenes or whether her voice will be drowned out. Somehow, though, I don't believe she'll be silenced.

Autumn

(45,019 posts)
102. Yes they love to hate her. Her haters make me like her more and more.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:04 PM
Dec 2018

Is she suddenly decided to run for president in 2020 I would support the hell out of that idea. Yeah, I know it can't happen, that darn age thing.

TheBlackAdder

(28,179 posts)
14. She's reminds me of my favorite politician, Shirley Chisholm... Unbought and unbossed!
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:28 AM
Dec 2018

.

Young, driven and not putting up with shit from anybody.



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TheBlackAdder

(28,179 posts)
91. She apparently won 2nd place microbiotics award while in high school and did specialize IntRel & Eco
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:49 PM
Dec 2018

.

The jury is still out on that. He father dies while she was in her second year at BU, which set her back a bit.

Shirley Chisholm was able to get her MA at 28, but AOC is a Rep, which Shirley didn't become at that age.

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Celerity

(43,250 posts)
15. absolutely support her, she terrifies the Rethug scum, I agree with most of her main political goals
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:32 AM
Dec 2018

Very, very intelligent too.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez won a prestigious science-fair prize for research involving free radicals

https://qz.com/1481551/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-won-a-2007-isef-science-fair-prize-for-her-microbiology-research/

Newly elected lawmaker Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is known for being the youngest woman ever voted into Congress, speaking up for immigration reform, and pushing for Democratic socialism.

She knows how antioxidants affect roundworm longevity, too.

In 2007, Ocasio-Cortez won a prize at the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair in microbiology. The ISEF isn’t your standard panorama-filled science fair: It’s the largest pre-college scientific research event in the world. She entered in her senior year of high school with a project on Caenorhabditis elegan (C. elegan) lifespan extension, with her findings indicating that “antioxidants could potentially help prevent degenerative illnesses induced by oxidative stress.”




“Alumni of the International Science and Engineering Fair… have gone on to create major companies, win the Nobel Prize, and now Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has become the youngest member of Congress,” said Maya Ajmera, president and CEO of the Society for Science & the Public, and publisher of Science News.

snip

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
19. I missed that, and it definitely adds to her appeal. Only problem is that here in the US...
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:48 AM
Dec 2018

science and scientists aren't respected enough.

We had a Brookhaven Lab physicist run in the Congressional primary, and she came in dead last.

Whether he did it or not, I'm convinced that the accusations against Neil deGrasse Tyson had the Luddites jumping for joy. Not because of the nature of the accusations, but because the status of a scientist is taken down.

 

Yosemito

(648 posts)
17. she gained my respect when she defended Pelosi
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:34 AM
Dec 2018

She wants to change the party without destroying it, like Sarandon or Stein.

drmeow

(5,015 posts)
20. I agree
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:49 AM
Dec 2018

I think doing so displayed a maturity and level of political savvy I haven't always seen from other progressives.

The reality is that, when you look at non-biased survey's of political attitudes, the country is decently left of center on economic issues but solidly centrist on social issues. However, due to 30 years of right wing propaganda, too many American's don't realize that they actually support leftist economic policies. Having a solid progressive agenda but working on it from the mainstream is going to be a more successful strategy than trying to start a revolution.

George II

(67,782 posts)
118. How did you feel when she attacked Joe Crowley (AFTER the primary), Tammy Duckworth.....
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:22 PM
Dec 2018

....Kirsten Gillibrand, and others?

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
18. my first impression is she lets her ego control her actions. Sometimes, you don't have to talk
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:40 AM
Dec 2018

when there is a microphone in front of you

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
141. An ego, among politicians?
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:15 AM
Dec 2018

Shame her into humility, as quickly as possible!

Since humility is obviously the standard across the board...(not at all).

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
21. I like her but that doesn't mean she would be an effective leader of a group.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:51 AM
Dec 2018

Some folks are better as prophets.

We shall see.

cilla4progress

(24,723 posts)
22. You should follow her
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:55 AM
Dec 2018

On Twitter.

She gives as good as.she gets!

One example: she posted that as a waitress she paid more for her health insurance than as a congressperson!

still_one

(92,110 posts)
23. I think she is an excellent advocate, however, those who are asserting that the republicans and fox
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:55 AM
Dec 2018

news are afraid of her I think are not correct in their analysis. Like Hillary and Pelosi, they are using Representative Cortez as a rallying point to energize their base

That is what Republicans and fox news have been doing for some time now

They are not afraid. They are racist, sexist, bigoted, and just plain evil, using these progressive women to incite their base

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
25. Very true.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:58 AM
Dec 2018

She is the point person for their attacks on progressivism. They always need an enemy that their followers can hate.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
53. I could not disagree with that statement more,
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:02 PM
Dec 2018

IMO that is a right wing talking point. Republicans fear her because she has charisma, because she has that rare ability to change the narrative, that's why they fear her.

"She may seem young and immature at times, but her heart is in the right place." Those are right wing talking points IMO.

Medicare for all or single payer health care isn't an immature, wild, pie in the sky talking point. The health care system that we have now is what is crazy. We don't insure everyone. We pay as much as 10 times for our health care as other nations with worse results. Statistics just came out, in 2017 our life expectancy went down, that is unheard of.

Let's talk about OAC's policies, issue by issue. I'm on board.

brewens

(13,557 posts)
24. I love her. We need liberals that make people believe government can do good things for them.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:57 AM
Dec 2018

The 1% certainly has government working well in their interest. That's where most of the tax dollars go.

Shell_Seas

(3,330 posts)
26. I haven't decided yet
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:59 AM
Dec 2018

She is further left than my brand of democrat and I have been upset about how she treated Palosi; However, I really like hew quick whips back at Fox, and I have began rooting for her in an underdog-like fashion.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
131. Lol exactly.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 04:28 PM
Dec 2018

AOC's policies aren't all that radical, and they're favored by the majority of Americans. She's what a center-left Democrat should be.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
29. Love her!
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:59 AM
Dec 2018

She is, I hope, representative of the Democratic Party's future. We need more like her, with her unabashed genuineness, vibrancy, bold eloquence, passion, and ability to motivate others in a more progressive direction. She's also shown the ability to negotiate and compromise (to a point) without betraying her values.

Some of the media playing her down as a server/bartender is highly deceptive, as she is very intelligent and well educated, graduating cum laude with her degree in international relations and economics.

Her youth is a magnet for other young people and a bonus for us. The party needs more young leaders preparing themselves to take up the reins from those leaving office. There were other young people elected this year, as well, who I hope will do wonderfully, but AOC has shown special leadership qualities.

CincyDem

(6,346 posts)
31. I like her a lot...
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:02 PM
Dec 2018


...and my hope for her is that she can translate her personal energy and purpose into systemic change. I think she can and I'm looking forward to seeing how she grows into the role. And the fact that she's the new target tells me that the opposition agrees with me.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
34. My opinion, so glad you asked. (big grin)
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:05 PM
Dec 2018

Wait and see, she has an opportunity to serve her constituents. If she serves herself, shame on her.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
92. Yeah, cause that's what she's all about... not! Give her a break.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:54 PM
Dec 2018

AOC is the future of the Democratic Party... she's already shown the kind of progressive leadership this country needs and she hasn't even served one day in Congress yet.

Just wait!! She's gonna be awesome!!

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
101. I am a cautious person,
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:03 PM
Dec 2018

not prone to faint praise, nor unrealistic expectations. I await the proof of "awesome".

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
109. That's fair... but, to suggest that AOC might look to serve her own interests
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:11 PM
Dec 2018

over those of her constituents, and "shame on her" if she does, is not.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
114. pardoned me?
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:16 PM
Dec 2018

Are you being fair? Did I say, "shame on her"? No problem, I am distracted today by events beyond my control.

BeyondGeography

(39,367 posts)
35. Obviously talented, should resist the urge to charge up every hill
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:07 PM
Dec 2018

Meantime learn as much as as she can on the issues and keep an open mind. If she’s to make the most of her talent that is.

PoorMonger

(844 posts)
37. Generally I like her. Think she could be great.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:22 PM
Dec 2018

She made some missteps early , I don’t love her campaigning against long time Dems out in other states. I just think it’s hard enough for us to win some places - and so it’s not a good idea to pit D’s against each other when we don’t have to.

Still, I support her ideals and I think she is learning the ropes in a positive way. She led ‘ protests’ outside Pelosi’s office , but for a good reason, and she defended Pelosi against Seth Moulton. Maybe she’s a pragmatist for this but it also makes sense for a progressive; when she’s pointed at thr right opposition that’s awesome.

I believe her when she says that she cares for people and that’s very important. She has a genuine way about her that is rare. She also clearly knows how to grab attention. Sometimes it might be a little much when we are in election season — but I also think that her media savvy could humanize government and that’s great.

She might not be polished yet. But I admire her fire. Dunno what she’ll do in the future but I’m excited to see her grow as she gets her bearings.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,159 posts)
38. I view her situation like Tim Tebow's NFL career, and let me explain that in further detail.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:24 PM
Dec 2018

(First let me get this out of the way and say that while Tim Tebow was rather heavy handed with his evangelical Christianity, as a person he did a fair enough job practicing what he preached. He has done some genuinely good charity work over his time in the public spotlight. So he doesn't rub me the wrong way as much as some other prominent evangelicals.)

But that's neither here nor there regarding this analogy.

So Tim Tebow was the quarterback for the Florida Gators college football team from 2006-2009. During that time he won the Heisman Trophy in 2007 and saw his team to the National Championships in 2006 and 2008. Needless to say, as a collegiate player, his career was highly successful.

However, his rush-heavy style of play was far more suited towards the college game than the NFL, and his passing mechanics were rather clunky. Nonetheless, his success in college had him picked in the first round of the 2010 NFL Draft by the Denver Broncos.

He played his rookie season with limited backup work, and in 2010 was initially the backup quarterback to Kyle Orton. However, after the Broncos benched Orton after a 1-3 start, Tebow was given the opportunity to start. Tebow's play would be sporadic, with his throwing mechanics still questionable. However, the Broncos themselves turned their season around after Tebow took over, and many people attributed the change to Tebow's presence and enthusiasm. Over the rest of the season, enthusiasm for Tebow reached a fever pitch as he lead the Broncos to several come from behind victories. An 8-8 regular season record was enough to clinch a playoff spot for the Broncos. In the initial Wild Card round, Tebow managed to upset the heavily favored Pittsburgh Steelers 29-23 with Tebow throwing the winning touchdown in overtime. However, their season would come to an end in the next round, getting routed 45-10 by the Patriots.

Nonetheless, Tebow was the major story for the Broncos in 2011 and "Tebowmania" was a national phenomenon. However, when soon-to-be Hall of Fame quarterback Peyton Manning became available via free agency, the Broncos decided to decline another season with Tebow at the helm and instead signed Manning as their starter.

Tebow's huge legion of fans--partially attributed to his personal religious beliefs--were upset at this slight, and they saw Tebow's 2011 season as a harbinger of greater NFL glories to come. He was traded to the New York Jets, and all through training camp his fans demanded he be the starter. This put great pressure on the Jets, who already had a starter in Mark Sanchez. The pressure to start Tebow by his fans persisted through the regular season, and finally saw Tebow replace Sanchez, but Tebow promptly broke several ribs and stayed out the rest of the season.

Tebow's fans were as upset with the handling of Tebow by the Jets as they were about the Broncos. They insisted that Tebow was still a high caliber starting quarterback. And the fact of the matter was that Tebow would have been more than qualified as a backup on any NFL squad, and given the right conditions and training, could possibly make his way back to the starting job for the appropriate team. However, the insane circus that surrounded Tebow caused by his high pressure and demanding fans turned NFL teams off Tebow. Finally, the New England Patriots agreed to sign Tebow as a backup, but with their starter being Tom Brady, there was no chance he'd see any real playing time. The Patriots ultimately released Tebow. The Philadelphia Eagles picked him up for preseason in 2015 but cut him before the regular season began. Tebow has not played football since. He is now playing minor league baseball for the New York Mets.

Like Tebow, I see Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as having some unrefined talent, talent that under the right circumstances could be cultivated for future leadership down the road. However, her worst enemy--like Tebow's--is her own rabid and demanding fanbase, who sees her right now--as a 28 year old freshman--as the sole hope and savior of the Democratic Party, and any reminder that she is still a newbie in politics with much to learn is immediately shouted down. If her fans keep this self-sabotaging behavior up, they will ruin her reputation before she has a chance to learn, and she'll be out of politics like Tebow is out of the NFL.

She's a promising young woman, but painting her as the messiah of the Left and demanding she be placed at the head of the pecking order in the Democratic Party simply because she won a seat in a highly Democratic district is going to hurt her. Her fans need to ease off a bit on the gas and let things progress naturally rather than rushing her.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
66. If I comment on your post I'm going to get in trouble.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:20 PM
Dec 2018

Suffice it to say that I disagree with your analogy. Religion has nothing to do with this. Fan base has nothing to do with this. Tim Tebow was a perfect QB for college, if I owned a pro team I would never have considered drafting him. Everything played out with Tebow the way I expected.

The other team fears OAC, the other team never feared Tebow in the pros.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
100. Yes, very well said
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:03 PM
Dec 2018

You expressed my concerns. I like her a lot, but hope her fans don't: 1) prod her to start believing her own hype and forget why she's there; and/or 2) make everyone so sick of them, they turn her off, as well.

Time will tell. In the meantime, I think she's great and wish her well.

aggiesal

(8,909 posts)
117. Pro teams have a way of exposing weaknesses like no other ...
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:22 PM
Dec 2018

Tebow's weakness was throwing on the run when he scrambled to the right.
Being a left-handed thrower, this would make sense.
But most quarterbacks can complete about 33% of their throws rolling out, on their off hand,
while Tebow was only completing about 10%.
Tebow rolling out to the left, was unstoppable.

So teams started blitzing from his left side, forcing Tebow to throw against his off hand and his numbers took a severe dive. His career soon ended, because he could not cover that weakness. It will always be there to exploit.

AOC is now playing with the pros.
They are going to poke and probe her, to try and find her weaknesses.
The great ones modify and cover their weaknesses, so it forces her foe's
to find other weaknesses.

I hope this promising start, allows her to become the young star that the democrats need in congress.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
138. I'm a fan but I don't have the attitude you criticize.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:40 AM
Dec 2018

I agree that she shouldn't be considered a messiah.

Nevertheless, even before being sworn in, she's accomplished something important. She's shown that progressives who are willing to fight within the Democratic Party can win. Not that they'll always win, but she refutes the view that the party is impervious to change from the left.

In just one Democratic campaign, she put more democratic socialists into Congress than the Green Party has in its entire history.

The ironic thing is that some people who are loudest in their denunciations of the Greens are also those who miss no chance to bash Ocasio-Cortez -- even though she represents the alternative to the Greens for progressives.

wryter2000

(46,025 posts)
39. She's fine
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:31 PM
Dec 2018

I wish the news would stop covering her as if she were the second coming of Jesus of Nazareth

LiberalLovinLug

(14,168 posts)
75. The MSM is so hell bent on having to create a partisan rivalry
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:25 PM
Dec 2018

They LOOOOOOVE reps like AOC that they can invite to come on their shows as much as they possibly can. And AOC, being a politician, and a young energetic new politician, you can't blame her for accepting all the appearances and coverage.

They like to create the horserace. They like pitting extremes against each other. They want to create an image, a personality, and a mission statement for her.....without her help thank you very much. She would get in the way. Her endorsement of Pelosi was something they were probably disappointed in because it didn't fit their narrative and molding of her as the radical lefist face of the Democratic party.

And one of the problems with these cartoon caricature molds that the MSM news wants to create to make their jobs easier, is destructive to having real dialogue. That it becomes not about the actual ideas, platforms, but personalities. Look what they did with Sanders. His policies are just normal policy in most other democracies around the world...universal healthcare, maternal leave, livable minimum wages, even when a Conservative party is in charge. But he is now seen as a radical leftist to even a few Democrats.

I fear that overexposure and the systematic 'creating' of the news by news networks we see now, she is in danger of becoming a caricature of herself, to be used as a prop in a narrative. And if that happens, it is very difficult to re-brand yourself, to erase the story that the MSM have deliberately and carefully crafted you into for the public to see.

Celerity

(43,250 posts)
122. this is actually a great reply, very well thought out and so accurate of what the MSM does
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 03:49 PM
Dec 2018

Hopefully AOC can avoid all these pitfalls, she certainly is intelligent enough to see them.

this (I am a dual citizen and go back and forth between California and then the EU all the time)

Look what they did with Sanders. His policies are just normal policy in most other democracies around the world...universal healthcare, maternal leave, livable minimum wages, even when a Conservative party is in charge.

is profoundly spot on

Qutzupalotl

(14,296 posts)
40. I was worried about her, and I'll admit I was wrong.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:32 PM
Dec 2018

I always liked her personally. Most of my fear was coming from her endorsement/promotion by Randy Credico, who is a close ally of Roger Stone the Ratfucker. That was coupled with her calls and work to primary established Democrats, so taken as a pair it suggested she might be a plant.

Now I see that Credico has essentially flipped for Mueller and has harshly criticized Trump on Twitter. Also, now that AOC has stopped trying to primary Dems and has turned her guns to Republicans, I like her a lot more.

It’s good to be on your guard and know who you’re dealing with, but in this case my fears were overblown. I now think she’s a good asset for us. She sounds a lot like Bernie but without being Bernie, you know?

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
42. she's definitely growing on me
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:37 PM
Dec 2018

She has some verbal miscues in the beginning, but I've liked what she's said since being elected.

She kicks ass on Twitter defending herself from RW attacks. There must be a reason that Fox News and their ilk are attacking her, so that raises her in my eyes as well. They fear her and what she represents - she's smart and progressive, she's Latina, she's a woman, she's attractive and young. Everything Fox hates.

Bucky

(53,986 posts)
43. I like her fighting spirit. She's a real leader. I don't always agree w/her, but...
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:39 PM
Dec 2018

I trust she'll adapt and develop over time. It's great for the country to have young leaders.

I think our next president needs to be younger than me (I'm 55, so young for a DUer). I won't even look at a 60+ candidate in 2020.

(after the convention, of course, I'll shut up and march in line)

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
45. Recommended.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:49 PM
Dec 2018

I joined her campaign during the Democratic primary, before she was being taken seriously by "experts." She is exactly what I, as an old man, want to see: an agent of positive change. She represents the power of the younger generation.

kimbutgar

(21,103 posts)
48. She is the future of the Democratic party
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:53 PM
Dec 2018

But the right wing has started to make her the new anti Hillary Clinton. She is a villain over there and she hasn’t even served in Congress yet. She will be their new whipping girl. I like it though that she pushed back and doesn’t take shit.

Wounded Bear

(58,618 posts)
49. We'll see...
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:55 PM
Dec 2018

When my team drafts rookies, I always give them the benefit of the doubt, but tend to wait and see how they do over the long haul.

Ms O-C looks good, for the most part. We'll see how she works with others going forward.

ZeroSomeBrains

(638 posts)
50. I absolutely love her
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:57 PM
Dec 2018

She seems smart on her feet and capable of holding her own against the trolls. She probably has a lot to learn but we all do on some issues. Her heart is in the right place and wish her good luck on her many duties as congresswoman-elect.

SharonAnn

(13,772 posts)
57. I like her. She brings up fights for ideas we need to consider.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:06 PM
Dec 2018

No one is perfect, but she brings forward new and brave ideas.
We’re a democracy, she brings great ideas to the table.

DinahMoeHum

(21,783 posts)
60. As a rookie MOC, I will give her a free pass.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:09 PM
Dec 2018

I think she'll turn out OK. She'll look, listen and learn.

dlk

(11,537 posts)
61. AOC is Young and Full of Fire-I'm Looking Forward to Seeing What She Can Accomplish
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:10 PM
Dec 2018

She's bringing a missing voice to the conversation and it will be interesting to see where she goes with it.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
67. I see her as a very vocal progressive in a very safe district.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:20 PM
Dec 2018

A district that just lost a lot of clout.

I don't think much more can be assumed at this point. It is going to be interesting to see if she takes part in the making of the sausage or if she just lobs bombs from the outside. I am of the belief at this point in time that she wants to be involved and is intelligent. The learning curve is going to take a little while for her. At this point she is a loud freshman without the clout in DC that her predecessor had.

Her persona today is completely media driven. The media had very few chances to back up the internets false narrative of the strength of the "Sanders Wing". The whole "Sanders Wing" mantra simply never manifested into very much. She is currenly a media creation as they had little else to build on the false narrative.

I think she is an opportunity for us. I find little difference between her and her predecessor outside of the fact that he had clout and was deeply involved in the process. Neither of which can we say about Ocasio. She has an opportunity to do a lot of good.

Right wingers seem to mock her like they do Sanders. It is much different than what they do to Clinton and Pelosi.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,400 posts)
70. I was a bit skeptical of her at first
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:22 PM
Dec 2018

when she was running around inserting herself into other candidates' primary challenges (I felt a like she was a bit "out of her lane&quot but I feel better about her now, knowing that she is not out to sabotage the party and I admire her tough-as-nails, no-holds-barred-but civil approach to fighting back against the Republican smear machine. We need more like her.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
72. I like her.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:23 PM
Dec 2018

I think AOC has a bright future ahead of her.

Fornicate Faux News and the Reich Wing echo chamber that keeps attacking her at every opportunity.

hurple

(1,306 posts)
73. She's HOT!
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:24 PM
Dec 2018

And that's not a misogynist comment about her looks.

She's amazing! In every way.

She's the future!

And it's scaring the ever-loving $h!t out of the GOP.

MineralMan

(146,281 posts)
74. My opinion is that she is a progressive House member from New York.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:24 PM
Dec 2018

I wish her every success. She is still one of 435, though, and may not be able to do everything she would like to do.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
76. We need to have her back.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:26 PM
Dec 2018

She is going to be attacked by the Left and Right, just like Al Franken was.
Franken and OAC have the ability to control the narrative, that is why the right fears her.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
77. I think she has great potential.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:29 PM
Dec 2018

I too liked that she spoke up for Pelosi and she recognized those new people need experienced people with them.
She is smart and calm under pressure. I do not suspect she will be corrupted, I think she is a real person with real life knowledge.

I suspect some old GOP Rep will be stupid enough to call her "little girl" or something. I think he will regret it.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
80. I think her reach is going to extend
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:30 PM
Dec 2018

past her grasp very soon and it's going to cause her some issues.

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
84. Young and green, but has potential
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:35 PM
Dec 2018

If she seriously applies herself to learning Washington policymaking and politicing, and she resists the urge to demogogue and hog the spotlight when she's not yet ready for primetime, she could evolve into a powerful and lasting force within the party. But that will require a couple election cycles, and the temptation to overstep and become a shooting star is very high for inexperienced, newly-minted political celebs.

Charlotte Little

(658 posts)
85. Jury is still out for me
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:38 PM
Dec 2018

But she definitely has potential. And I'm thrilled we have such young blood entering the ranks.

Joe Nation

(962 posts)
86. I think Ocasio-Cortez will replace Nancy Pelosi....
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:40 PM
Dec 2018

....as the most hated Democrat on the planet. I like her already. Go get 'em Alexandria!

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
87. young, naive, not ready for prime time
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:41 PM
Dec 2018

seems to think that politics is a matter of wish fulfillment, not hard pragmatic work, that requires compromise, sometimes getting behind half measures.

But she's "authentic" ... she wears her rawness and naivety as a proud badge of honor.


I don't expect her to accomplish all that much, but I do expect her to be beloved, in the way that Bernie Sanders and O'rourke are loved, by people who basically see politics as an exercise in wish fulfillment.

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
90. Too early to tell, IMO!
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:48 PM
Dec 2018

I like her fire and passion.

I just want to see whether she can actually work with others to accomplish the goals that we all want to see accomplished.

Magoo48

(4,701 posts)
94. Love her fire and fearlessness.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 01:57 PM
Dec 2018

I love it when she says that you can’t take corporate money from the corporations you’re attempting to reign in.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
97. I have no idea.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:00 PM
Dec 2018

I don't think she has cast a single vote as a congresswoman yet. So how am I supposed to have an opinion yet?

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
98. I have positive opinion of Rep. Ocasio-Cortez
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:01 PM
Dec 2018

I see great potential for her political future and eagerly await seeing her in action. I respect her fire and willingness to respond to attacks towards her.

The right hates her because she is a Democrat. They hate her even more because of her unapologetic progressive views. They most certainly despise her that in addition to the above she is also female.

George II

(67,782 posts)
99. I would hesitate before comparing someone who hasn't spent a single day in Congress yet....
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:03 PM
Dec 2018

....with women like Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
104. I would hesitate as well if comparing achivements, experience, and accolades
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:09 PM
Dec 2018

I didn't read the OP as doing so. I agree that like Clinton and Rep. Pelosi, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez is quickly becoming a frequent target for rightist propaganda attacks.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
108. We ere fortunate to have her. She's not the only strong young Democrat we elected to the House
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:11 PM
Dec 2018

We are lucky that we elected a new generation of potential leaders. Not all will turn out to be long term stars, but some of them will be and that is how we will seize the future. AOC is in my opinion particularly promising. I sat up and took notice from the moment I saw her bio based primary campaign ad, powerful straight forward stuff.

Because Alexandria is the youngest woman ever elected to Congress, and because she defeated a powerful well established Democratic Congressman in her primary, it was natural that national media would turn a spotlight on her. She's done damn well with it. Not perfect but who is? I'll take her batting average any day, and she is still just earning the ropes. She is earnest, she is smart, she has fire, and she is very likable also.

Having faces like AOC associated in the public eye with the Democratic Party will be a huge boost in solidifying younger voters identification with Democrats, and that spells huge problems for Republicans moving forward. Count me as a strong supporter of hers.

DFW

(54,328 posts)
110. I don't have one yet. Her record of accomplishments in Congress is rather sparse at this point
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:14 PM
Dec 2018

I will wait until the "-elect" part is dropped from her title. THEN I'll have something with which to form an opinion.

get the red out

(13,460 posts)
112. I kind of like her so far
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:15 PM
Dec 2018

She hasn't been in politics very long, so I don't have an opinion of her fully formed yet.

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
113. Though She's been hyped by the media because of her Primary Victory
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:16 PM
Dec 2018

There are other Progressive rookies in the incoming House class that will be as effective as AOC.

There are some moderates, who hate Bernie, have lumped her in the same pigeon hole and are trying to take her down already. That’s not good for the Party, at all. Give her and the other rookie Progressives time to find their way.

LakeArenal

(28,809 posts)
115. She's smart, quick to act.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:16 PM
Dec 2018

Her zeal and impetuousness can be misunderstood and seemingly naive at times.

All should settle well when she’s been around as long as Nancy Pelosi.

Bettie

(16,083 posts)
119. I like her
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:23 PM
Dec 2018

she has energy, enthusiasm, and idealism. She believes that she can change things and wants to make things better for all of us.

I dislike how hated she is by some around here.

Vinca

(50,249 posts)
124. At the risk of sounding like a geezer (which I am), I think she's got spunk.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 04:03 PM
Dec 2018

I bet Pelosi looks at her and sees herself many, many years ago.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
125. Personally, I find her a bit annoying.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 04:05 PM
Dec 2018

She says a lot of the right things, things I agree with, but she says them in such a way as to turn non-millennials off I think.

I also think she's going to step in a giant hole at some point and make everyone realize she is under-qualified. I like my politicians at the highest level to have some experience in state government. Bernie was a mayor and Obama was a State Senator, just to name a couple.

Real governing is about more than your pet projects and what you strongly believe in / campaign on. We need to fund stuff, some stuff we don't like or is not high on our list. In short order she's going to be casting votes for military spending, prison maintenance, drug interdictions, law enforcement and everything else. Each vote she casts is going to change voters view of her. Is she going to vote for military funding? Is she going to vote for our prison industrial complex?

I was just in NYC, and the Bronx is changing. Gentrification has expanded there from other parts of NYC. Will she change her platform to reflect a changing electorate? Will the future electorate want the Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez that won a lightly attended primary vote in 2018?

womanofthehills

(8,685 posts)
127. I love her - I love that she keeps her constitutients informed & fights backs
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 04:14 PM
Dec 2018

I love how she uses Twitter to keep everyone updated. She's a new kind of congress person.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
128. she is defintely an asset to dem party
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 04:22 PM
Dec 2018

She is brutally honest (look at her instagram) and if she stays that way and washington doesn’t change her, the sky is the limit; it is birtually impossible to undermine her authenticity, she hides absolutely nothing. I am hoping for a new era of transparency in our governemnt as she seems to be disclosing exactly how much she is being paid, what benefits and perks she is getting, etc. w/o holding back. We are the employer of congress. She has a skills that in short supply within our party - the ability to set a narrative and control the message. She never let defamations go unresponded like so many dems do including Pelosi and Clinton. She is fearess and we badly need it righy now. I hope she’ll fight gop in the open and counterset their narratives and she is correct to demand dems do the same especially the experienced ones. I like how she is always welcoming and smiling and does not surrender to anger - great antidot to gop. Dems have brilliant legislators, talented lawmakers, etc. but we need to market it better. E.g., don’t say abortions - say doctor/patient priveledge to make decisions without government interference, don’t say gun control - say strengthen 2nd amendment by ensuring well regulated measures are in place, etc. GOP has been better with this and their RW infrastructure.

OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
132. I didn't like her attacking Democrats, but to be fair, she has done well in the last couple of weeks
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 04:42 PM
Dec 2018

I'd be concerned that Republicans are now going to make her the new hate figure, because of her profile.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
133. Promising rookie, prone to rookie mistakes; needs time to reach potential.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 04:53 PM
Dec 2018

She has a tendency to shoot from the hip at the moment, without adequately thinking through some issues. She just needs some time in office to learn where/when to best pick her battles.

A very promising newcomer.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
134. An up and comer.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 04:55 PM
Dec 2018

She seems so much more on top of policy than I ever would have given credit to anyone so young.

And, as she's the go-to, flavor-of-the-month, lightning rod for people who pretend throwing chum into the water is 'discussion,' I'll certainly give her credit for getting a lot of roaches to scurry into a brighter light.

And to be honest, the more she's minimized and trivialized and demonized by RW idiots with concave brains, the more attractive her mere existence becomes to me.

LeftInTX

(25,201 posts)
136. She gets alot of attention for someone who hasn't been sworn in yet
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 05:49 PM
Dec 2018

Since she's in a safe seat, I think she will remain a firebrand. Her seat is immune from right-wingers.

We'll see how she does with the nitty gritty of congress. Her biggest worry in the future would be a primary.

I think she has been put on a pedestal by some and vilified by others. None of it warranted.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
139. More favorable impression than a couple of months ago
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:04 AM
Dec 2018

Climate change absolutely needs to be our spotlighted issue. For her to understand that while others don't is impressive.

However, I don't trust her to understand that she doesn't have to respond to every issue and every attack.

betsuni

(25,442 posts)
140. There should be a reality tv show, she'd be a great topic.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:13 AM
Dec 2018

Not one of those scripted ones. Life as a new member of Congress. People need to know how the government works, make public service attractive. Might be hard to make it exciting but I'd watch something like that.

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