Just a Reminder: 38, 40, 41 Are Gone, But You Know Who Isn't?

[ProudLib72]

39



May he live to be 120!

[Wounded Bear]

1. As a human being, he's the best of them all...

[DemocracyMouse]

43. But we won't know how bad Bush Sr. was. MSM won't mention his role in Iran-Contra....

Even Wikipedia buries that story way, way down in the column – too far for the average busy journalist to bother visiting. And it’s not even telling the whole story:

Pardons
Main article:
List of people pardoned by George H. W. Bush

In keeping with tradition, Bush issued a series of pardons during his last days in office. On December 24, 1992, he granted executive clemency to six former government employees implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal of the late 1980s, most prominently former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger.[175] Bush described Weinberger, who was scheduled to stand trial on January 5, 1993, for criminal charges related to Iran-Contra, as a "true American patriot".[175]

In addition to Weinberger, Bush pardoned Duane R. Clarridge, Clair E. George, Robert C. McFarlane, Elliott Abrams, and Alan Fiers, all of whom had been indicted and/or convicted of criminal charges by an Independent Counsel headed by Lawrence Walsh.[176]

Can someone fix Bush Sr.’s Wikipedia????

[dlk]

63. Bush also committed obstruction of justice while head of the RNC

He pressured a Republican senator to pressure his brother at the Justice Dept. to stop the criminal investigation into Spiro Agnew. Bush had lots of dirty laundry.

[BlueMTexpat]

74. There was also his alleged role in

the 1980 "October Surprise." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Surprise_conspiracy_theory

If this were true, and some people whom I admire and who were in a position to know believe that it was, he aided and abetted Reagan's access to the WH against Carter in 1980.

Some mysterious deaths occurred during the "October Surprise" investigations, e.g., Danny Casolaro.

Danny Casolaro

In 1991, freelance writer Danny Casolaro (among others)[25] claimed to be almost ready to expose the alleged October surprise conspiracy, when he suddenly died a violent death in a hotel bathtub in Martinsburg, WVA, raising suspicions. He appeared to be traveling on leads for his investigation into the Inslaw Affair. His death was ruled a suicide.

Bush I's ties to the CIA, where he served as Director, reportedly occurred MUCH earlier, in 1963. https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP99-01448R000401580069-6.pdf

Many of us remember what happened in November 1963.

These are other reasons why I will never be among those who laud GHWB.

[lagomorph777]

82. And CIA cocaine, and the Panama Deception...

He was a typical Reptilian partisan.

[SCantiGOP]

2. The last remaining Prez who served in the military

And the most Christian Prez ever even though the Fundies would never support him now.

[LonePirate]

4. Yes, he is a Christian who practices the words of Jesus. The fundies don't like that.

Whatever one thinks of his presidency, his life since January 20, 1981 has been exemplary and a model of virtue, charity and humanity for all Americans and people worldwide. Quite simply, he is a good human.

[PJMcK]

76. Wonderful post!

Thanks, LonePirate. You've expressed my thoughts about President Carter perfectly and elegantly.

My first voting opportunity was in 1976 when I turned 18. By that time, I was already a hard-core Democrat and had volunteered for a couple of local political campaigns, (one win, one loss- I was even more devastated than the candidate!).

I felt very proud of my vote for Jimmy Carter. I still do.

[unc70]

8. Actually, W served

[llmart]

11. That's questionable still to this day.

[SCantiGOP]

12. W went AWOL from the National Guard

n/t

[HubertHeaver]

23. w was a member of the armed forces.

However, he did not serve.

[SCantiGOP]

32. He was a member of

the Texas Air National Guard. Don’t consider that serving in the armed forces.

[Mr.Bill]

38. I can verify that North Vitnam

did not attack Texas once while he was there.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

56. Yep. He served in "The Champagne Unit" for Dallas Cowboys and rich/connected kids.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

62. And I still want to know how he shot to the top of that list

within days of his acceptance into the Texas National Guard, ahead of close to 100 other applicants.

Also, Georgie NEVER flew a plane by himself. No. Not once. Always in the jump seat. I know one of his peers in that unit swore that W never passed a flight surgeon's physical. Not sure about that, but given his extra-curricular activities at the time, I would not be surprised.

[Lokilooney]

61. By definition that's serving in the armed forces

Of course at the time it was more like a trip to Canada for the well connected...

[True Blue American]

70. Bush protected Texas from Alabama

Until he didn’t.

[Trump Must Go]

83. I remember during the Vietnam War

We considered NG & ER's as being Draft Dodgers

[KentuckyWoman]

87. That is a perfect way to differentiate.

I don't expect a president to have done time in the military. But if one wants to claim the credentials, then do the work.

Thanks for nailing down the difference.

[Bengus81]

54. And the papers containing "roll call" for Bush GASP went "missing"

While he was running some campaign for one of his dad's buddies if I remember right.

[calimary]

80. Just barely.

Daddy pulled strings to get him into what became known as “the champagne squadron,” the Texas Air National Guard. His “tour of duty” involved a quote I read somewhere that was absolutely hilarious: saving the skies over Texas from the North Vietnamese.

He “served” alright. Long enough to transfer to Alabama or some such other state to get his teeth fixed on the taxpayers’ dime, and then bug out suspiciously early. Well BEFORE his tour of “duty” was officially over.

Or more accurately, it was we taxpayers who got “served”.

[NewJeffCT]

9. The only time I remember my dad not voting for a Democrat for president

was when he voted for John Anderson over Carter in 1980 because he did not like Carter's religiousness.

I was 13 going on 14 at the time, so too young to vote.

[maryellen99]

10. My husband's "fundie" trump loving cousin thinks he's a traitor for selling out the Israelis nt

[SCantiGOP]

14. What??

The Camp David Accords resulted in a lasting peace between Egypt and Israel and removed the real threat of their annihilation, but I'm sure your fundietrump cousin is wrong about other things too.

[maryellen99]

36. Yep she is.. I had to end up unfriending her from FB nt

[True Blue American]

71. No great loss, Maryellen.

Please do not take this the wrong way, but anyone that dumb about the Camp David Accords is really not worth your time.

I have removed a couple of friends from my life, too. I do not do Facebook, even Twitter irritates me because they allow Trump to spout his bile and hate.

[maryellen99]

75. Thank you but I didn't unfriend over that though

It was due to the fact that she talked down like I was a child and that she was a-ok with kids being put in cages.

[True Blue American]

78. You were wise to cut her off.

[Bengus81]

55. Wonder she didn't yak about him giving away the Panama Canal

That's always a favorite with Carter haters as if that Country,canal and the land was ours to own.

[George II]

26. And WWII.

[malaise]

3. And he was and still is the most active of them all

Funny how the media hacks call this the end of an era.


Jimmy Carter: Years of service: 1943–53 (Navy); 1953–61 (Navy Reserve)

[Rhiannon12866]

7. Absolutely! He graduated from Annapolis and had a brilliant Navy career until his father died

And he returned to Plains to take over the family farm. He was prepared for a Navy career, was in the top of his Annapolis class, don't know how the pundits can ignore this important part of his life story.

[SCantiGOP]

16. I've read that he considered a lock to be an Admiral one day

But returned home to the farm when his Dad died.
And not because of any inheritance. His Dad's will forgave all of his debtors, and split the estate evenly among all of the children, so Jimmy had to basically build up and operate the peanut farm.

[Rhiannon12866]

22. He was well on his way, I have his autobiography and he typically plays it down

But he was a nuclear engineer! And he expected his uncle to oversee the farm, but he left it to Jimmy, and the inheritance split up ownership among Miss Lillian and the four siblings. In the beginning, they barely broke even.

And he almost lost the family farm a second time when he returned after his presidency. Management during his presidency was in a "blind trust," he received no information on the farm for those years. He learned that because of mismanagement and 3 years of drought, the farm was deeply in debt. It was only because he sold the Carter Warehouse to pay down the debt that he didn't lose both the farm and the home he had helped to built himself.

[alphafemale]

31. I've been to Plains.

Saw the family home and farm and also where he and Rosalynn live now.

It is a nice enough home, but surprisingly ordinary for a place that s the residence of a former POTUS and First Lady.

[Rhiannon12866]

34. That is very cool and at the top of my wish list

I once met someone who had recently moved from Georgia and I had to ask if they ever met Jimmy Carter, LOL. And President Carter not only helped build his family home (as well as continuing to work for Habitat for Humanity), but he's worked with wood all his life and he built much of their furniture himself!

[alphafemale]

46. We went to the School of the Americas protest at Fort Benning

It was about an hour out of the way.

We had to....right?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

57. Wow! I would love to meet the man. Being a builder and woodworker myself.

I’ve always liked the man but I found a whole new level of respect when I visited the Carter Presidential Museum in (near?) Atlanta. I highly recommend it for anyone visiting the area (skip the Coke museum LOL)

[MountCleaners]

84. We went to Plains, too!

I was a kid, about eight years old, but my parents campaigned for Carter and my mother met him and to this day brags about being kissed by Jimmy Carter. After he got elected, we made a Christmas trip down to Florida and stopped in Plains to pay our respects. Carter was already in Washington getting ready to take office. But we met some of the family and his mother, saw Billy at the gas station. I still have pictures of me and my brother standing in front of a giant Peanut.

[Mendocino]

40. My father was at Annapolis

in the winter of 43/44. He had graduated from Case in engineering, took his officer training at the academy. I asked him if he knew Carter, he remembered the name but no personal recollection.

[Rhiannon12866]

48. That is very cool, kudos to your Dad!

From what I took from President Carter's autobiography, there was a high attrition rate back then due to abuse from upperclassmen. He was glad to hear that much of it was eliminated after the war. And it must have been a very large school, especially at that time.

[Blue_true]

44. Someone posted a beautiful article about him here on DU.

He took over the family farm, but it was almost bankrupt because his dad forgave so many debts.

I don't know whether President Obama lived in public housing with his single mom, but Jimmy and Rosalind Carter DID live in public housing for a year while he struggled to save the family farm.

The most humble President in my lifetime, even more so than President Obama.

He never got credit for the excellent President that he was. The left and the right hated him. BUT, if we had listened to him about the need for clean energy (then solar only), we would not be facing extinction.

[malaise]

21. And there were never questions about hs service

Up is down in the USA.

Baker is on my TV calling him the best one term president maybe the best president ever.

Bwaaaaaaaaaah
I'd love some truth mixed in with the ritual.

[sarge43]

29. He was on Hyman Rickover's nuke boat development team.

That alone tells Carter was one of the sharpest knives in the drawer. If he had stayed in, he would have commanded one of those boats and gone on to be a CNO.

I imagine he felt bad about giving up a potentially brilliant career, but in the end he gave the world the Camp David Accords and was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.

And one of the most admired men on the planet.

[Grokenstein]

65. Didn't Fit the Narrative

...they were spinning about the Dumb Peanut Farmer from Jaw Juh.

[montana_hazeleyes]

5. What a wonderful human being.

I was lucky to meet him briefly at a book signing a few years ago. There were so many people there he was signing books very , very fast. He also signed a report a middle schooler did on U.S. presidents.

[ProudLib72]

13. I did a report on him in grade school

It must have been fourth or fifth grade. Everyone else laughed at me because I "had to write on Carter". Well, you know what? I was proud to write about Carter back then, and I'm still proud to this day!

[montana_hazeleyes]

20. Oh, I love that ProudLib72.

I hope you still have the report. Sometimes things get misplaced over the years.

[ProudLib72]

27. That report is long gone, unfortunately

I've moved a dozen times since then, maybe more! But my parents still remember it, too. They were enthusiastic about my writing the report on Carter at the time. In fact, I believe my mother reassured me when I told her about how the other kids were making fun of my president.

[montana_hazeleyes]

50. I've lost many things I wish I still had by moving etc.

I love that your parents still remember it too. They sound like wonderful parents.

[demtenjeep]

47. I wrote about him in college during my class on presidents. I am published because of that paper

I believe it was titled something like THE ETHICAL PRESIDENT IN AN UNETHICAL ADMINISTRATION

or something like that.

[Charlotte Little]

6. I wish we could wrap him

in bubble wrap.

[Butterflylady]

15. There's a saying

"The good dye young," I say that that saying is bull____. I can a test to that. May Carter live many more fruitful years.

[spanone]

17. K&R...👍🏼👍🏼

trump couldn't carry Jimmy Carters lunch

[George II]

28. He'd steal it.

[DFW]

18. I only saw him once, right after his inauguration

It was at my first Gridiron Dinner. Mondale spoke first, and said he wanted everyone to know that he was really in charge. After the inauguration ceremony, he noted that while Carter was "forced" to walk back to the White House in the cold, he rode back to the White House in a heated chauffeur-driven limousine. Carter then got up and said he liked the speech by the "acting Vice-President." I think they got along almost as well as Obama and Biden. They seemed very comfortable with each other, anyway. I never met Carter up close, but Mondale, who had been a family friend for decades, confirmed that.

[Totally Tunsie]

19. He's a genuinally good man.

I support Habitat for Humanity as one of my favorite charities in his honor.

[Snackshack]

41. Yes, he is. 🙂

[pecosbob]

24. Was proud to carry the Navy colors when he visited Nimitz...

got to follow him around with a clipboard during his inspection of the troops.

[japple]

33. What a stroke of good luck! Hold on to that great memory. Make

sure that your family knows about this wonderful event.

[pecosbob]

35. I remain in awe of the generosity and demeanor he has maintained

throughout the years and he never once sought to strike back at his persecutors. I think he may be the most 'Christian' man I have ever met.

[Blue_true]

49. Yeah. When you talk Christian, put that man's picture right under JC.

This from a Deist, but a fanboy admirer of Jimmy Carter.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

25. you don't have to dig for the good in Carter

He lives it.

[Sneederbunk]

30. He is four months younger than 41.

[Polybius]

81. In four months Carter becomes the oldest living ex-President that we've ever had

Bush 41 holds that record now, living to 94.

[Blue_true]

37. And still be out helping people. A Great Man.

[ZeroSomeBrains]

39. I love jimmy so much

He never stops helping others which is so admirable. I wish I could transfer my body to his so he could keep living another 40 years at least.

[smirkymonkey]

42. What a wonderful human being!

I hope he is with us for many more years!

[lpbk2713]

45. They just don't make em like that any more.

An exemplary human being.

[True Blue American]

72. I remember being in a Letters To The Editor

Discussion with a woman who did not want an over the hill B Actor for President. She was a Republican, but not for Reagan. My next letter agreed with her, but suggested ,” How about a Born again Peanut Farmer?”

The paper actually published that after the Editor called me to ask if that was it. That was back in the days when I knew the Editor of the Dayton Daily.

[NRaleighLiberal]

51. Spectacular, irreplaceable human being. The best.

[Moebym]

52. My mom once got to shake his hand

While they were on a flight, and he was walking down the aisle to greet passengers. She said he was a warm and friendly man, very down to earth. I'm still jealous of her.

[IrishEyes]

66. My mom got to shake his hand as well.

My aunt met Ford. My brother met Clinton and I met Reagan. Mom definitely won.

[Bengus81]

53. How many times have I heard those idiots on TV stating........

That with the death of Bush 41 that is the last of the Presidents from the Greatest Generation?? Fucking unbelievable........

[lefthandedskyhook]

58. I cast my first presidential vote for Jimmy Carter

I'd do it again

[samnsara]

59. i regret not voting for him but i have loved him ever since...

[erlewyne]

60. I met Miss Lillian at the Peanut warehouse in Plains,

I wish I would have pursued a longer conversation,
but there was a line behind me. A really nice lady.

[spike jones]

64. After Watergate and the Ford pardon

President Carter said, "I will never lie to you."

Now there is "45."

[Pa-Kid]

79. And 45 Said

I will never ever tell the truth. Jimmy Carter was and is a truly great man

[RainCaster]

67. I remember how weak I thought him to be then...

And now that I have lived more myself, I know how strong he had to be to be so measured while in office. The fact that he didn't write a burn-all-bridges book after leaving only further proves his fortitude.

[friend of m and j]

68. 2 Presidential moments I have never forgotened

I am 76 years old but I remember where I was and what I was doing when the announcement came over the radio that the JFK had been shot. I was walking through the front door of my oldest brother's used car lot and the porter who worked there keeping the cars dusted and clean came running by me and shouted that "The President has been shot". He had been listening to the radio from one of the cars on the lot when he heard it. He was running to the wash rack where he had a radio. I ran after him and listened to the news with him the rest of the afternoon. We were in a small town about 20 miles from Dealey Plaza.

The other event that is etched into my memory was years later. I owned a oyster bar and was a big supporter of Carter. I had run an ad in the paper that anyone who brought proof that they had voted that day (Carter/Reagan election day) would get a 50% discount on their meal ticket. We had a full house and line out the door and a line in front. The customers were all kind of excited because it was election night and I was out on the floor helping serve and helping the busboys clear tables we had such a crowd. I had a big TV set up at one end of the room so everyone could watch the election returns. When NBC announced at about 7:10 (polls closed at 7) that they were calling the race with Reagan the winner I almost dropped a plate of oysters and shrimp on the customer I was serving. I could not believe they were calling the race just minutes after the polls closed. Most of the customers let big yelps and clapped but it was a very sad night for me.

[garybeck]

69. Still my fav.

[musicblind]

73. It would have been nice to be able to say I was alive for his Presidency.

It seems like it was a much nicer time to be an American. A much less frightening time for our government.

A time when you knew the President loved the country.

[ProudLib72]

88. I was alive during his presidency

but I wasn't old enough to fully appreciate him. It was only later that I learned enough about him to understand how wonderful he was.

[warmfeet]

77. At least 120.

What a phenomenal person. Jimmy!

[lostnfound]

85. We love you Jimmy, and Rosalyn too! Nt

[KentuckyWoman]

86. President Carter will live forever

May he live in body as long as he desires.
He will live on in history well after the US of A is no longer a country.