Fornicate Face refused to recite the Apostle's Creed

[47of74]

Link to tweet

It’s in the bulletin you were given. Can’t you goddamn fake it for once in your worthless life and show some class?

[Achilleaze]

1. The ignoble KGOP republican Apostate-in-Chief*

* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief,
and republican family-values role model.

[msongs]

2. yeah force people to recite christian stuff. nt

[ooky]

8. He claims to be Christian.

I guess just not a practicing one.

[demosincebirth]

12. First time in a church, probably.

[ooky]

20. He went to Church once when he was campaigning

here.

[LanternWaste]

21. Who (other than yourself) is arguing force?

[demosincebirth]

29. +1000

[Gore1FL]

47. It's either recite the silliness or be criticized for not, apparently.

That could certainly fall under the "coercion" or "compulsion" from the definition of "force."

He stood respectfully. That should be enough.

[MineralMan]

25. Or try to shame those who don't.

Trump does claim to be a Christian, though, a Presbyterian Christian. As a former Presbyterian, I know that the Apostle's Creed is part of that church's liturgy. Perhaps Trump isn't what he claims to be. Perhaps.

However, if I were at that funeral, I wouldn't recite that Creed either. It would be a lie, and I try hard not to lie. If someone tried to pressure me to read it or tried to shame me for not doing so, I'd be pretty vocal about my right not to.

So, I agree with you.

[Dorian Gray]

61. But evangelicals

don't hold you up as the frontline on the war to save Christmas.

They don't think of you as the most Christian leader who is going to save Christian America.


The Low Energy Orangcicle can't even fake it til he makes it.

(Should he have to as a president? Of COURSE not! But his refusal to points out HIS hypocrisy AND that the evangelicals
who love him as a Savior for Christian America do so for reasons OTHER than his Christianity.... Which we all knew.)

[GulfCoast66]

50. Imagine that. In a church even.

And no one was forced.

But he is the hero of the Christian Right.

[JI7]

63. nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. it's about exposing the xtian right

with their hypocrisy .

[fierywoman]

3. Apparently he can't read.

[47of74]

5. Too many big words and no pictures

[ProfessorGAC]

4. Can't Get Too Worked Up Over This

I wouldn't do it either. That said, i wouldn't try to appeal to that crowd to pretend to be their kind of moral.

[Renew Deal]

6. Funny that this of all things is gaining traction

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

7. Doesn't know it and can't read it.

It is well documented that he doesn't (or can't) read security briefings and needs pretty powerpoints to understand them. Who would expect that he could read the fine print in a funeral program?

[3Hotdogs]

9. I disagree with the focus of this thread.

If he doesn't believe the nonsense, he shouldn't be criticized for not reciting it.

[47of74]

13. But he and his Branch Trumpvidian groupies hold himself out as a big time Christian

So I have no fornicating problem calling him out on that.

Could you imagine the reich wing shit storm that would have erupted if President Obama, Clinton, or Carter had done that?

Turnabout is fair play.

[Mariana]

22. Plenty of Christians never recite the Apostle's Creed.

It isn't very popular among the Evangelical crowd that support him.

[jberryhill]

28. I beg to differ on that point

I have not known any Evangelicals who do not recite it.

[Mariana]

48. I never knew any who did recite it.

They were supposed to believe all that stuff, sure, but I don't remember that it was ever recited out loud like that. Maybe it was just in my area - there were a lot of Catholics in my part of the world, and the Evangelical churches did everything they could to distance themselves from anything even vaguely reminiscent of Roman Catholicism. It's been a long time since I've been in one of those churches. Maybe stuff like the Creed is more popular now than it used to be among the right wing Evangelical types.

At any rate, Christian Trump supporters aren't going to care about this. After they've shown themselves to be comfortable with all the utterly immoral things he's done, and people on DU think they're going to choke because he didn't recite some words at a funeral? Never gonna happen. Excuses will be made and eagerly accepted, and Christian Trump supporters will continue to be Christian Trump supporters.

[jberryhill]

49. Well, there were two right there at the other end of the pew

I've seen this odd "Evangelicals don't do the Apostle's Creed" thing on Twitter as well and find it puzzling that on many people's televisions Jimmy and Rosalyn Carter do not seem to have been in the picture.

The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association:

https://billygraham.org/answer/what-is-the-apostles-creed/


Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals:

http://www.alliancenet.org/the-apostles-creed


Evangelical Lutheran Church in America:

http://download.elca.org/ELCA%20Resource%20Repository/Apostles_Creed_Evangelical_Lutheran_Worship.pdf


Cornerstone Evangelical Baptist Church

http://www.cebc.net/about/apostles-creed/

I agree that some Evangelical congregations tend to eschew "ritual", so you don't find it in ones that lean more toward Pentecostal types of congregations or, say, any church which has a drum set and electrical guitar amp on a stage up front. And, yeah, there are some that tend not to do liturgical recitations aside from the Lord's Prayer.

Some people get hung up on the word "catholic" with a small "c" in it, which refers to the universal church, and not the Roman Catholic church.

Evangelicals who actually care about their faith are likely to know that the Apostle's Creed is basic.

[Hassler]

10. None of the Creed is about him, so no reason to recite it.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

11. He thought it was a spoiler for Creed II and he hasn't seen that one yet.

[jberryhill]

38. You Mean Rocky II

[Gidney N Cloyd]

45. Creed II's out now, though. More importantly, though:

Why is Rocky wearing the championship belt in that poster? They're advertising a fight that hasn't happened yet and IIRC Apollo was still the champion until Rocky won in the (this) rematch.

Or are you suggesting Trump has a specially edited version of Rocky I where the white guy wins?

[livetohike]

14. More proof that he never attends church. He looked so

uncomfortable. Can’t sing, can’t read not even enough to fake it.

[MicaelS]

15. It proves to me he really does NOT believe.

I think he's an Atheist at heart. Does not believe in anything bigger than himself.

[niyad]

16. hey, donnie dimwit, here you go

[bdamomma]

17. may be he can't read.

he's no church goer.

[Baltimike]

18. He doesn't know it. nt

[underpants]

19. He refuses to wear glasses in public

[ginnyinWI]

26. ding, ding, ding, ding!!!

That's the first thing I thought.

And second, he doesn't want to talk about any "god" but his own glorious self.

[DesertRat]

34. Oh, I hadn't thought about that

He doesn't know it and he couldn't read the program.

[underpants]

41. I think it was Matt Lauer's 30 minute each sit down "debate"

Trump had papers on his hand with what was clearly handwritten large font wordage on them. Black ink. I just happen to know, due to formerly working in the blind/vision impaired community, that is was probably a "20/20 pen" that was used. It's like a Sharpie but it doesn't bleed through the paper. That's when I knew he probably wears glasses but wouldn't due to image/ego.

I have found pics of him early in the campaign wearing glasses but it appears he stopped wearing them. Image/ego.

[DesertRat]

42. I think you're spot on.

Now I wonder what was Mel’s excuse?

[underpants]

44. She's does as she's told

Just like everyone else in their bubble.

[DesertRat]

55. Yeah, that's probably the case

[fishwax]

23. meh. I don't think it's classy to fake a statement of faith one doesn't believe in

Mouthing the words certainly wouldn't make him any better of a human being

[Chiyo-chichi]

24. "If Obama's doing it, I'm not going to do it."

[jberryhill]

27. It's certainly his right not to recite it

I don't understand the OP.

Are you suggesting that people should simply recite creeds?

Are you suggesting it is a requirement for public officials to do so?

I don't get what the problem is here.

He doesn't believe any of it, and has no business reciting it.

What's the issue here?

[DesertRat]

33. I think the point is that he claims to be a devout Christian

Maybe he was waiting for the part about the Two Corinthians ?

[jberryhill]

37. He claims to be a lot of things

None of them are true.

OMG, OMG, someone proved that something Trump says about himself isn't true!

If the guy ever manages, even by sheer random chance, to say something true about himself, it would be news right there.

[Dorian Gray]

62. I think his not reciting

it also points out the hypocrisy of his white evangelical base who truly believe he's here to save our Christian Nation. He doesn't give a shit about Christianity and he's using it and them. So it's a bit of schadenfreude. A bit of an... THIS is the guy you think is so christian and so great?

None of that is so new to us. It's just proving him to be the imposter we all knew him to be.

[vlyons]

30. I don't blame him

I don't recite it either. I grew up Episcopalian, but am now a Buddhist. Have you read the Nicene Creed? Do you really believe in a Virgin Birth or impregnation by a Holy Spirit, whatever that is? How about a real physical address that you can google a map for, where Jesus went to visit the dead for 3 days?

He stood respectfully, while others recited their creed. More was not required.

[NightWatcher]

31. I agree with you. He's not christian so he just stood there.

It's what I do when I'm dragged to church (assuming I dont burst into flames), which I haven't been in decades.

[DesertRat]

32. They don't even fake it

[NastyRiffraff]

35. It would be different if he didn't claim to be a Christian

And of course, Evangelicals assure us that he's "God's Annointed." I'm an atheist so I don't give a shit about the creed, but he's supposed to be a Christian. It's the hypocrisy that bothers me, not reciting a stupid creed.

[oasis]

36. He's so above it all ya know.

[budkin]

39. It doesn't matter because he channels GOD through him!

That's how the cretins justify literally anything he does or doesn't do.

[Denzil_DC]

40. Whatever the arguments above, can you imagine the RW maelstrom if Obama had failed to recite it

at a state funeral on his watch?

[DesertRat]

43. OMG

Fox heads would be exploding!

[Gore1FL]

46. I don't recite it.

I am not going to criticize him him for standing silently while others recited it.

[JI7]

66. i don't either but i will criticize him after his Merry Christmas BS

[Delphinus]

51. Please don't make me defend him.

I am not a Christian. I will not recite prayers.

[JI7]

64. he does claim to be a christian and spews the bs about "merry christian"

and bringing christmas back and other shit.

[RockRaven]

52. Dude doesn't know the words to the national anthem, God Bless America, or Hail to the Chief

and he's frickin POTUS, people sing them all the time in his presence.

Now you want him to know the words to church stuff? GTFO. The Big Mac song, maybe. But church stuff? Church stuff?

Don't tell him it's in the program. That's READING!!! ugh.... like those boring people in the office always trying to get him to read. Blah, blah, blah, read this, blah, blah...

[El Supremo]

53. He is NOT Christian!

All true adult mentally capable Christians recite the Apostle's or Nicene creed from memory. But the Quakers who consider themselves Christian don't have any creeds. The Mormons are another story.

Trump was baptized a Presbyterian.

So all the evangelicals who voted for this POS should take note of this.

[Mariana]

58. LOL, pussy grabbing didn't bother them, but you think this will?

Trump's Christian supporters don't exactly hold him to a high standard.

[rusty fender]

54. He has no idea what it is or

what it means

[Raine]

56. He's not religious

why should anyone recite something they don't believe in..

[Bluesaph]

57. It may not bother any of us

If we aren’t Christians. But a true Christian should be bothered. This creed is standard Christian theology in a nutshell. Total give.

[Mariana]

59. They'll make excuses for him, just like they always do. nt.

[JI7]

65. i'm not a christian. i'm an atheist and it "bothers" me because of the hypocrisy

[Dorian Gray]

60. The funny thing about the Apostles Creed

is I don't give a shit whether he recites it or gives a vague shoutout to the Christians who believe him to be the Lord and Savior of Christianity in the USA.

However, he can't even throw those people a bone. He can't even pretend he believes, just a little bit, or put in an ounce of effort into looking like he gives a shit about religion or God.

It would be so funny if it weren't so scary how easily he manipulates people.

[JI7]

67. but when he goes to mcdonalds and KFC he will say MERRY CHRISTMAS

and that's what being a good christian is all about

[oberliner]

68. I wouldn't recite it either

[ucrdem]

69. He probably thinks its a ghetto thang

that real MAGA men don't do