So how much of The Wall has actually been built?

[TrogL]

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One would presume somebody would have noticed something what with Trumpf claiming there’s miles and miles of it.

Wouldn’t there be a paper trail of building permits or environmental impact statements?

***Clarification - I mean specifically Trump’s grand plans for a really big wall, not the existing stuff***

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

1. Zero. None. Nada. Only a row of mock-ups. eom

[former9thward]

12. Not true.

There are large areas of the SW that have barriers and fencing. It is purely semantic to say it is a "Wall" or is not a "Wall". What is your definition of a Wall?



Many areas do not need a barrier simply because the environment is too hostile for significant crossing.

[TrogL]

13. I should have made it clear I meant specifically Trump's grandiose plans

I’m aware of the existing structure. I’ve seen it on Border Security.

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

16. Yes, same here.

We have seen many updates where razor wire has been added to the tops of fences and existing walls.

In my view, "The Wall" refers to his 20' high border-to-border dream. A variety of vendor samples were built in San Diego over a year ago. My understanding is that none of them have actually been built other than as samples.

[scarytomcat]

14. weren't those barriers in some places on the border before Trump

no new wall has been built that I have heard about just repairs to existing structures

[former9thward]

18. It is still a wall.

For those who oppose any wall it is not much of an argument. In fact, the opposite.

[scarytomcat]

19. I think dump was insinuating that he created the walls and is responsible for so called deterrent

all I'm saying is they predated dump
walls are a silly idea to stop illegal immigration
What is the purpose? People come in many ways mostly from over staying visas.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. What worries me is

Trump will take superficial first steps with devastating and permanent damage.

Supposedly a butterfly sanctuary is going to be destroyed regardless of whether the Wall is completed at that location.

[dameatball]

6. Right. But he doesn't care. I think SCOTUS has already refused to hear the suits from wildlife and

environmental groups. Either that or they did hear them and rejected them. This is a cruel, harmful, expensive and unnecessary enterprise to soothe one man's ego and placate the suckers who voted for him.


I always wondered why corporations can be considered people but entire species of animals cannot. Interesting concept to me at least. The environment should be seen as a part of our health and happiness as citizens and taxpayers. The flora and fauna are essential to how many of us define happiness in our lives.

But unfortunately butterflies do not make campaign contributions.

[scarytomcat]

15. also wild animals that depend on the river will be cut off from water in dry areas

by a solid wall

[Loki Liesmith]

3. There's plenty of walls along the border

And fences and whatnot as well

[TrogL]

4. I'm thinking specifically of new construction initiated by Dumpf

[underpants]

5. They did some normal repairs and maintenance

Which sort of looked like they were building something (big loud heavy equipment) and it was lied about in some RW press or in memes. Trump either actually believes it or doesn't know enough to keep his mouth shut. Probably both.

[thucythucy]

7. And how much of it has been paid for by Mexico?

[Caliman73]

8. Nothing like what Trump stated. Not even close.

It seems like there are structures that exist in most places where a physical structure is feasible. Most places with out physical barriers are so remote or hard to navigate that building there would be irrelevant.

When President Obama was increasing border security he focused on technology (sensors, new equipment, etc...) and personnel. He also worked on repairing existing structures that were older.

Trump is talking out of his ass, which he always does. For him, the wall is a symbol, like the big gaudy gold T R U M P lettering on the buildings that he doesn't even actually own. Walls, unless they are encircling a smallish fortified structure, are worthless for keeping people out. Ask the Chinese how well their wall kept the Mongols out.

[TrogL]

9. I was thinking of The Wall in Berlin (which I've seen)

Despite being heavily guarded people got across it

[Caliman73]

10. Yep. Walls are a part of security, but Trump like always is an idiot.

I did not see the Berlin Wall, but from what I read and learned of its history, it was continuously being built up, expanded in its perimeter, guard towers added, surveillance, etc... because people just kept getting through it. And that wall was only meant to separate less than 100 miles of territory.

[Recursion]

11. There are barriers in places where it makes sense for there to be a barrier

e.g. San Diego and Brownsville.

What's idiotic is the idea that we're going to engineer a more effective barrier than the Great Sonoran Desert.

[Texasgal]

17. There's already

a bunch of walls and fences in place.

[Autumn]

20. None. 31 miles of existing fence has been mended and that's it.