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Deporting Vietnam War refugees--Didn't US promise them haven for their help? Kids born here too? (Original Post) bobbieinok Dec 2018 OP
How can he legally do this? BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #1
If born here, they're US citizens. Period. MineralMan Dec 2018 #3
I'm sorry; I don't understand. What does Norbert mean? bobbieinok Dec 2018 #5
Born here. Autocorrect. MineralMan Dec 2018 #7
Are their refugee parents deported as a result of this? BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #8
They shouldn't be. MineralMan Dec 2018 #9
My neighbors are from Vietnam, yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2018 #2
The way we treat war refugees, especially from wars we were involved in, is abhorrent Victor_c3 Dec 2018 #4
Depends on the people. Igel Dec 2018 #6
K&R UTUSN Dec 2018 #10

BigmanPigman

(51,565 posts)
1. How can he legally do this?
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:22 PM
Dec 2018

There are thousands and thousands of Vietnamese people born here in the past 30+ years. Are their parents going to be deported? What about them? Half of my first grade students were Vietnamese children of refugees. What do they do now?

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
5. I'm sorry; I don't understand. What does Norbert mean?
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:58 PM
Dec 2018

Is it---If they're born here, ie, what RW castigates as 'anchor babies'?

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
9. They shouldn't be.
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 09:10 PM
Dec 2018

Most have children and even grandchildren who were born here. The very idea is ludicrous.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
4. The way we treat war refugees, especially from wars we were involved in, is abhorrent
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:47 PM
Dec 2018

I hardly have anything else to add to that other than I’m completely disgusted.

Igel

(35,270 posts)
6. Depends on the people.
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:58 PM
Dec 2018

A number of refugees fled because they helped the US in important ways. They intentionally helped specifically us.

But the North was petty, and if you didn't actively demonstrate your loyalty to them before they took over the South, did things like traded with or worked with Americans, you were tainted and needed re-educated. They didn't "help us" so much as just run their business or take a job that involved doing stuff with Americans.

And a lot of people just fled because they weren't properly revolutionary. They had businesses. They were involved with the South's government. They were politically suspect not because of what they did for or with the US but because of what they did for themselves. Had a store? Bourgeois pig, you will be punished for your oppression of the people. You spoke or wrote things against the Communist regime in the North? You're a traitor of the people and must be made to suffer for your perfidy.

Many just fled not because of those three reasons, but because they figured it wouldn't be pretty under the north. That might be workers, might be criminals, might be whoever. The South's government was corrupt, but the North's was quasi-Stalinist. Between Hitler and Stalin, since I wasn't one of the groups Hitler had his (rifle)sights set on, I'd choose to live under Hitler; he didn't care about nearly as much about what you thought as long as you obeyed and didn't say you wanted to overthrow him. Stalin insisted that the right thoughts accompany the right actions, and punished thought crimes against whatever the stupid idea of the day was.

The first wasn't a large group. The second and third were large. I have no intuition for the fourth, but it strikes me that there's likely a large overlap between it and group 3.

The group being targeted here is just the same group that would normally be subject to deportation if they were, say, Argentinians or Koreans. If you're an immigrant and run afoul of the law, there are specific crimes that trigger deportation, some "might" and some "will". We deport Germans, we deport Russians, we deport Nigerians and Indians and Brazilians, but we haven't deported Vietnamese who do these things if they immigrated in or before 1995.

Doesn't strike me as a large group, except to the extent I think that Trump is likely to say, "Aha! You removed that tag from the mattress before it was sold, you're not pale enough, off to Hanoi with you!"

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