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Thu Dec 13, 2018, 04:10 PM

Could Trump use a mental health defense?

It has been widely discussed that Trump is mentally impaired or mentally ill, such as in the article linked below.

If he is charged with serious crimes, could he use this as a defense? Do you think he presents either a progressive mental decline or a mental illness that affects his capacity to perform as president?

If so, do you think that it could be argued that he is a victim of circumstance and there has been no mechanism to provide him with the help he needs, thereby putting the interests of our nation at risk?

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/01/trump-is-mentally-unwell-and-everyone-around-him-knows-it.html

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Reply Could Trump use a mental health defense? (Original post)
Doodley Dec 2018 OP
FarPoint Dec 2018 #1
elocs Dec 2018 #6
Doodley Dec 2018 #9
elocs Dec 2018 #14
Siwsan Dec 2018 #2
Doodley Dec 2018 #12
YessirAtsaFact Dec 2018 #3
elocs Dec 2018 #7
janterry Dec 2018 #4
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #5
Doodley Dec 2018 #10
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #16
Runningdawg Dec 2018 #8
Doodley Dec 2018 #11
Runningdawg Dec 2018 #13
bluestarone Dec 2018 #15

Response to Doodley (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 04:11 PM

1. No.....

He's just an asshole...

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 04:43 PM

6. Exactly! Those who choose to casually label Trump as mentally ill

or having a personality disorder forget that would mean he is not personally responsible for his actions.
I believe that Trump is exactly who he chooses to be: a spoiled, self-centered asshole and con man.

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Response to elocs (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 06:07 PM

9. Okay, but what about a retardation defense?

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Response to Doodley (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 06:26 PM

14. But do we belittle and mock those who truly have mental disabilities?

I have an adult niece with Down syndrome and a 27 year old goddaughter with schizophrenia and neither of them chose to have a mental disability.

Trump is how he is because he chooses to be that way and I'm not giving him an out by labeling him with a mental illness or personality disorder.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 04:14 PM

2. His ego would never allow it.

I am convinced he is already showing signs of a cognitive disorder. It's only going to get worse.

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Response to Siwsan (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 06:16 PM

12. There may come a time when his ego is lost in a cloud of fear and confusion.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 04:22 PM

3. That would seem to invite removal via the 25th amendment

But hed fight it tooth and nail b/c of his bloated ego, which makes it moot

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Response to YessirAtsaFact (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 04:46 PM

7. I think you need to find out exactly how the 25th Amendment works,

because it's nothing like so many think it works.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 04:24 PM

4. no

even folks with active psychosis are often found competent to proceed

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 04:37 PM

5. No. Obviously he's not all there, but an insanity defense is rarely successful

because the standard of proof is so demanding: Some states use the old M'Naughton test, which is whether the defendant knew the nature of the crime (the defendant cuts another person's throat under the delusion that he is cutting a loaf of bread), or understood the difference between right and wrong, morally or legally, at the time it was committed. In states that use the Model Penal Code rule, the defendant must have been diagnosed with a mental disease or defect, and either did not know right from wrong or lacked the ability to control an impulse that led to the crime.

In other words, you have to be as mad as a box of frogs, suffering from something like schizophrenia or some other really serious mental illness. Trump is a narcissist and an asshole and might be getting senile, but he's not crazy enough for an insanity defense. The fact that he tries to cover up or downplay his crimes is proof right there that he knows that what he's done is illegal.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 06:13 PM

10. I agree, but look at his own words, his Tweets and his actions. He doesn't seem

to understand very basic things that a small child could understand. He also seems unable or unwilling to learn anything. His IQ is probably very low and he is deteriorating. Did he have the mental capacity to understand the criminal nature of his crimes?

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Response to Doodley (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 06:53 PM

16. Trump is a hot mess. He's a big pulsating blob of personality disorders,

but he's not psychotic. He's dumb and lazy, but he obviously understands that what he's doing is illegal because he tries to hide it.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 06:04 PM

8. No

Don 't forget he was "tested" by the WH Dr. And found to be a stable genius.

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Response to Runningdawg (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 06:14 PM

11. But that was bogus.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 06:17 PM

13. Of course it was!

But it could be used against him trying to weasel out by saying he didn't understand what was going on.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 06:28 PM

15. He's to crazy

to claim that

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