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Matthew Dowd: This (ACA lower court decision) will be a major, major problem for Republicans.
His rationale:
Obamacare has never been more popular than it is now.
Democrats ran in 2018 on healthcare and keeping pre-existing conditions as part of health insurance plans and will continue to do so in 2020.
If this decision stands there will be a push for Medicare for all.
tRump praising the Texas court decision is like celebrating a touchdown before halftime when half of your players on your team are injured.
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Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)They will run on the boogie man and let thousands die...I pray that the lower court decision does not stand. Those that believe the fall of the ACA will usher in Medicare for all are wrong. Those with work place insurance...still the majority will be unwilling to pay the cost of Medicare for all...and a court could decide that Medicare for all is unconstitutional also in the unlikely event there were majorities to pass such a thing.
allgood33
(1,584 posts)always wanted. Fighting this battle for the ACA and turning it into a Medicare for all move endangers Medicare, especially now with the looming debt that Trump and GOP ushered in with tax cuts for the wealthy.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Social Security has always been popular and always will be, because that is what wealthy stable civilized countries do.
watoos
(7,142 posts)I think it should be expanded to include dental and eye glasses.
I don't understand the argument that we can't change our present health care system, which is by far the most expensive in the world and we don't cover everyone, because Medicare for all is too expensive.
True Blue American
(18,579 posts)A Medicare Advantage plan. Many of them cost 0 and cover more than Medicare. Or, you have private insurance.
Many of those plans have increased coverage. You can check the plans in your area in the back of your Medicare book for your area.
A big start to better coverage would be Medicare for those 50 and above. They are the ones really hurting.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)cause an increase in the user cost of all insurances to cover the ER treatment of all those without insurance.
True Blue American
(18,579 posts)The ACA. This Judge has a reputation of being an activist judge who is always handing down these decisions. I think the media is pushing this much too hard.
The Surpeme court has already ruled.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)Why do you think that Medicare for all will be more expensive? Isn't that a right wing talking point?
Don't you think that kicking people off insurance, eliminating Obamacare, will cause people to go to the emergency room which is the most expensive form of health care, isn't that going to raise the insurance rates of people with employer provided insurance?
True Blue American
(18,579 posts)
Buckeyeblue
(6,352 posts)Republicans don't care about this issue--except to make sure there is no health care policy, so insurance companies are free to do as they will. Short term, people will suffer.
Long term, we will have to get a democratic president, keep the house and have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate to restore ACA or replace it.
From where I'm sitting that seems like a long shot.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)I am of the opinion that the latest election was evidence that the citizens are finally awakening to the destruction that the Republican Party has had on our nation. The Democrats must run on a powerful message.
I have encouraged Democratic representatives to stress that the Republicans must be forcefully denounced as the vowed enemy of the working class. This charge can be amply made with the facts. Republicans have been determined to rescind every progressive piece of legislation that has been won by the Democrats that was hard won against their opposition. This includes Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and every pro-labor bill. The Democrats, in may estimation, have been far to gentile in their protection of what is right and the damnation of the Republicans of being viciously consumed with greed.
I would like to remind them of the president who forged ahead against all opposition. FDR welcomed the fight and his response to the Republcians was clear: I welcome their hatred. He called them out for exactly what the were and continue to be: The enemy of the Working Class and hell bent on the economic enslavement. Their policies have been unwavering in their determination in the destruction of the Middle Class that progressive legislation created.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)It seems to me it is beginning to happen.... but not enough..
I wish more would do as AOC is doing..
AND/OR that the media would pay attention when 'we' do.
maxrandb
(17,425 posts)and can continue to convince voters in 25 Dumbfuckistan 'Murika shithole states that minorities are coming to marry their white daughters.
As long as they have 50 senators in states that make up 1/3rd of the entire population of America and can draw the maps... THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE ONE FUCK ABOUT WHAT AMERICA WANTS!
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)After I read about the ruling last night I had two thoughts.
First, the Supreme Court is likely to find a way to overrule the guy if the Fifth Circuit uphold him.
Second, with red state voters forcing their politicians to do Medicaid expansion, if the Supreme Court does not overrule the guy, the ruling could end up destroying the Republican Party. Those red state voters have had time to find out that Obamacare is actually good for them overall, politicians that allow that to get taken away will suffer. Also, states that were part of the anti Obamacare coalition but now have democratic AGs (one or two), will likely drop out of the coalition or outright oppose the side they used to work with.
I would not put too much stock in a ruling by a likely rightwing Texas US Judge. The guy's ruling is no surprise given his hostility to the side supporting Obamacare during oral arguments.
SWBTATTReg
(26,257 posts)laws around now and literally millions take advantage of this ... if you going to threaten to take away insurance w/o a viable replacement ready (and the repugs of course don't have such a thing, never will either), this will wipe them off the map. Deservingly so.
And rump is ignorant...who in the hell listens to him anymore?
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)want and cheats like hell to win...thousands will die. We should be out in the streets demanding that the ACA survives...those of you who think the ACA 's demise will lead to single payer are wrong...it could also lead to the destruction of Medicare and if this decision stands...workplace insurance will have pre-existing as well...any idea what that will mean to older workers? This is a disaster for progressives.
SWBTATTReg
(26,257 posts)before, many times in the courts, multiple, multiple rulings. One ruling does not make it final.
watoos
(7,142 posts)this isn't just a disaster for progressives, it's a disaster for everyone.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)in their own back yard.
cstanleytech
(28,471 posts)we need to get medicare for all passed or in other words 2018 was just the blue wave but 2020 aims to be a blue tidal wave.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)Cha
(319,067 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)In my opinion, Democrats have a mission, and that is to expose the evils of the GOP, their lies, to make clear to the country, in simple language how the GOP's decisions are affecting negatively the lives of all citizens, what their intentions are when they pass laws and make decisions that imperil the governing of the country.
They have to spell out the corruption that rules over the republican party and make it very explicit that republicans do not seek power to help the people and the country, or to make lives better for everyone, they only seek power to enrich themselves and those very wealthy donors who support them.
Unless Democrats start a "open your eyes" campaign to educate people that they need to vote for their benefits and to brush aside the rhetoric republicans like to tell which do not match their actions, then nothing will change.
We have an easy one, all those republicans campaigning for healthcare and "protect" the pre-existing condition in the ACA, then get elected to do exactly the opposite. People need to understand that republicans will say anything they feel the people want to hear just to get elected, but once in power they will only cater to their donors and won't give a dime about the citizens who believed and supported them.
SWBTATTReg
(26,257 posts)ACA and the gross excesses of the supposed 2018 tax cut and jobs bill, which awarded 83% of the benefits to the 1%, which in short, didn't benefit us and benefited the gop donors. This is some of the reasons they lost 40 seats this time around, and I predict in 2020, more of the same.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)With red state voters forcing Medicaid expansion on their legislatures and governors, if Obamacare gets taken away from them, that changes historical dynamics. Those voters will have to chose, do they want to keep overseeing women's vaginas, or do they want to live (like freaking stay alive due to decent healthcare). My guess is they chose the latter and start electing democrats because they trust them more, once that slide states for republicans, it won't stop if democrats led well once in office.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)RWers, GOPs, evangelist Christians, and this present administration with an asshole in the WH and VP do not care about the health nor welfare of the United States of America nor her people.
Majority of the USA's citizens are very much concerned about healthcare. Pre-exising and afforable care.
The above mentioned groups do not care.
This decision will not bold well for the GOP.
Freddie
(10,104 posts)To keep pushing single-payer and nothing else. Way too many people love their employer plan and could get something not-quite-as-good with single payer. And if we know nothing else, Americans are selfish above all.
The Vox article about the various proposals is great. At least one of the Medicare buy-in plans could easily morph into single-payer down the road. I think the goal should be to get to single-payer eventually but find a way to transition into it that would not disadvantage the millions who like their employer plan now.
AllyCat
(18,842 posts)I currently pay an insane amount of money for the plan offered by the HOSPITAL I work for. My current illness was unexpected and temporary, yet in the past month, I have been misdiagnosed, delayed care due to no doctors available, had to go to urgent care twice, still no resolution to my issue...and it has cost me close to $1000 out of pocket.
This employer-based healthcare recipient wants Medicare for all. We don’t all love our plans.
uncle ray
(3,360 posts)and will likely have the means to pay for better care outside the single payer system. just like in other countries that have single payer.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)With about 4 exceptions (Vermont, Rhode Island, Delaware, New Mexico) blue states are by far the wealthiest and healthiest states in the nation. With about 3 exceptions (Texas, Utah, North Dakota) red states are by far the poorest. There are somewhat purple states like North Carolina that is somewhere in between.
The problem that blue states have had with improving healthcare coverage is they tried to go it alone. What blue states should do is use modern technology to create multi state and blue city insurance buying pools, inviting insurance companies that provide policies that meet a set of standards to sell in them (they should not and likely can't restrict other companies, but their citizens will do that with their choices of providers). If you get a massive pool that is covering 70+ million people, that gets the attention of companies and hospitals that want to operate in that pool and allows for lower rates and improved health outcomes.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Girard442
(6,887 posts)...if there is a 2020 election.
watoos
(7,142 posts)running on health care, and Republicans are going to double down and take health care away from more people?
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's not a smart move. It isn't just Democrats who will lose insurance is the big problem for Republicans. Maybe Republicans can pass a law that only Republicans are entitled to health care?
RVN VET71
(3,192 posts)Trump and his handlers (who will become the real "power behind the throne" as Trump's legal problems escalate and his mind disintegrates) want to retain power forever. Trump -- even if many of the blooming idiots among the electorate who still cherish the ground on which he shambles remain steadfast, loyal, and willing to vote for him again -- would not stand much of a chance in a free and open election in 2020. Therefore, "postponing" the election makes sense to the GOP.
But precisely because Trump is becoming so unpopular and losing so much support -- even among the idiots and sarandons who voted for him in 2016 -- I think it's becoming very improbable.
If the Republic survives Trump, his enablers, and his sycophants, I'll put up $1,000 (and I'm a retiree!) to build a statue to Mr. Mueller in Manhattan, opposite Lady Liberty, looking across the river at her, a wry and confident smile on his face and a wink in his eye.
That said, I really believe the Republic will survive. (May I never have to eat those words.)
erronis
(23,874 posts)Them words, that is.
Tarc
(10,601 posts)This is the sort of context-free, hysteria posting that really has no place in the DU.
mucifer
(25,667 posts)Tarc
(10,601 posts)It is a public discussion board, and people should be aware that their views are open to criticism, even ridicule.
I'm sure your White Knighting is appreciated, though. 
otchmoson
(329 posts)erronis
(23,874 posts)I can't find it online yet or on Amazon ("Not Available In Your Area"
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SHRED
(28,136 posts)The plans have gotten far more expensive and cover less.
We've now settled for an Bronze level HSA plan through Kaiser. It sucks. High deductibles. Basically it's a very expensive catastrophic plan.
The ACA is dying the death of a thousand cuts.
To be in the individual market at our ages is the worst.
This will make it worse.
Yosemito
(648 posts)They don't learn.
Soxfan58
(3,537 posts)They can spin a turd into a diamond in the eyes of their voters. Being said, this might be the straw that breaks the elephants back. When people can see the real dollars for themselves.
safeinOhio
(37,651 posts)for the one percent, paid for by the other 99 percent. Also will call for making the one percent living Gods that must be served by all.
Cosmocat
(15,424 posts)To either stop indulging right wing lunacy, or move forward based on reason, common sense and decency.
King_Klonopin
(1,379 posts)This whole thing smells to high heaven. It could be an intentional distraction
from the shit-storm flying around Trump's cotton-candy head. It could also be
the work of another Con "activist" Judge, of which there are plenty.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)HE's showing again how much contempt he has for the American people and their heath care plan. He said the opposite of what he's doing , so again when he claims something he's lying , again . He and the GOP will pay again dearly when the American people come out to vote a lot more of these crooks out of office in 2020. trump shows just how cruel he really is celebrating millions more will lose their health care .
FakeNoose
(41,631 posts)The Republican Party has shown that they are completely unable to lead this country. Medicare for All should be a no-brainer and it would have been already if Obama had been allowed to negotiate the healthcare bill properly. None of this is Obama's fault! It's just more pointless sniveling from the losing/leaderless GOP.
Texin
(2,851 posts)by choice. That loophole created the inconsistency in the law that allowed for the decision. I fully expect that this will go to the SCOTUS and the decision will be to uphold this lower court ruling. The Dems plan to enact a tax change to reinstate the tax penalty but the senate won't vote to pass it. I have every expectation that the rethugs will be gunning for more cuts to Social Security and to scuttle Medicare in its entirety. They have shown a notorious disregard for the well-being of the pubic and even more contempt for the will of a majority of voters. They are evil, avaricious monsters who want to rule, not govern. Make no mistake, they have instituted an authoritarian dictatorship and they are the ruling masters.
Vinca
(53,992 posts)Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid people.
pecosbob
(8,385 posts)and let the ACA go away, but even given the evil shits they are, they're not stupid (well everyone there except Thomas, anyway). The only two who would be likely to vote to let the lower ruling stand are Alito and Thomas. The rest know as we all know that the GOP would be wiped from the face of the Earth if they let the ruling stand. The ruling is flawed and give them a convenient escape route...they only have to sell it to the baggers...and we know they'll swallow anything if coated in enough bullshit.