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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 12:14 AM Dec 2018

What Trump did when people tried to tell him the law about inauguration spending

Michael Lewis's book The Fifth Risk recounts some of Christie's transition efforts in 2016 before Trump won the election—and then literally and figuratively trashed every shred of work Christie had done. Keep in mind that party nominees are legally required to form transition teams. Trump didn't want one but Christie explained he must have one and he could either pay for it himself or pull from campaign funds. Trump refused to do either, so Christie was forced to fundraise for the committee in order to pay its hundred-plus staffers.

Trump almost entirely ignored the transition work until he read an article reporting that Christie had raised several million dollars toward the effort. That's when Steven Bannon walked into Trump's Trump Tower residence to find Christie getting an earful from Trump. Lewis writes:

Trump was apoplectic, actually yelling, You're stealing my money! You're stealing my fucking money! What the fuck is this?? Seeing Bannon, Trump turned on him and screamed, Why are you letting him steal my fucking money? Bannon and Christie together set out to explain to Trump federal law. To which Trump replied, Fuck the law. I don't give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money.

Bannon and Christie tried to explain that Trump couldn't have both his money and a transition.

Shut it down, said Trump. Shut down the transition.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/12/14/1819189/-Christie-snubs-Trump-on-chief-of-staff-post-payback-for-Trump-s-transition-greed

That book is my night time read this evening.
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What Trump did when people tried to tell him the law about inauguration spending (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Dec 2018 OP
Wish somebody recorded this kind of trump behavior. Hoyt Dec 2018 #1
Now this sounds like Donald J. Trump... pecosbob Dec 2018 #2
Yeah, but that POS did make the trip to the WH this week dixiegrrrrl Dec 2018 #11
And only for a minute or two...nt 2naSalit Dec 2018 #22
Nothing but a money grubbing grifter bastard Pepsidog Dec 2018 #64
Gee .... you think anything has changed? UpInArms Dec 2018 #3
Same old, same old. Same old dump, same old gop. nt erronis Dec 2018 #36
Mob boss screaming at his lieutenants RVN VET71 Dec 2018 #58
Somebody, likely SDNY, is going to get Bannon and Christie under oath about this moment RockRaven Dec 2018 #4
I read everything that Lewis writes. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2018 #12
I agree. underpants Dec 2018 #53
thanks for that tidbit... dixiegrrrrl Dec 2018 #63
i want trump to suffer so badly. JI7 Dec 2018 #5
+100 iluvtennis Dec 2018 #10
+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2018 #17
Me, too. Solly Mack Dec 2018 #19
Same here... 2naSalit Dec 2018 #23
"Beware of those in whom the urge to punish is strong." - Goethe N/T Comatose Sphagetti Dec 2018 #27
So, Comatose Spaghetti, do you think Trump shouldn't be punished? SunSeeker Dec 2018 #32
Right there with you. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2018 #28
I want him to Scarsdale Dec 2018 #33
Orange blob in an orange prison suit -- he'll be invisible. rlegro Dec 2018 #57
I want..... MyOwnPeace Dec 2018 #51
I still can't help but suspect he's gonna bug out in the middle of the night. calimary Dec 2018 #56
To fit in every scandal into the Trump movie, it may end up longer than the LOTR's trilogy. Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #6
If they make a documentary series on this it should be required watching for high-school students. erronis Dec 2018 #37
A limited series would be perfect lunatica Dec 2018 #46
didn't Pence Take Over the Transition Team ? JI7 Dec 2018 #7
Oh, yes, Manafort's favorite animatron was stuck with the job. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2018 #13
And now we know that Trump refused to pay for it, so where did the money come from? yardwork Dec 2018 #31
Trump finally gave in, so the money collected was spent. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2018 #50
Ya know - when he says this is a "witch hunt" ... harumph Dec 2018 #8
tRump: Fuck You, Pay Me!!!! A bit too real IMHO.... winstars Dec 2018 #9
Trump's motto: "Fuck the law. I don't give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money." dalton99a Dec 2018 #14
That phrase is a perfect encapsulation of this presidency/criminal enterprise. Squinch Dec 2018 #30
I take this as a sign of just how close to being broke he is dflprincess Dec 2018 #60
I'll never again trust anyone like this near my checkbook, or for that matter, any public office... SWBTATTReg Dec 2018 #62
Yes, Donald. We know you don't care about the law. And we hope you are held accountable for that.nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #15
Thanks for posting this. I told someone about this but couldn't remember where I read it. Midnight Writer Dec 2018 #16
yet evangelicals love him, and think God sent him to say "I don't give a fuck about the law." Hamlette Dec 2018 #18
This should've come out earlier ansible Dec 2018 #20
It may have a legal impact, demonstrating a pattern of behavior. Chemisse Dec 2018 #26
Jokers Wild Ciaphas Cain Dec 2018 #21
He's also been 2naSalit Dec 2018 #24
Yes. He is still a menace. I won't forgive him, cuz he ain't done yet. dameatball Dec 2018 #35
Until his wardrobe becomes orange jumpsuits 2naSalit Dec 2018 #38
"and pissing off the jarvanka." keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #47
republicans have cursed the USA with their greedy, ignoble Draft-Dodger-in-Chief Achilleaze Dec 2018 #25
More repulsive news each day. We may never recover fully from this horror. BSdetect Dec 2018 #29
Along with others, I would give almost anything to have this recorded. Ferrets are Cool Dec 2018 #34
Would like to know if Trump zentrum Dec 2018 #39
Kickbacks from construction company cronies. nt tblue37 Dec 2018 #49
Bin Laden concrete wall footers "9/11 fly 'em outta here ASAP" connection? Ink Addict Dec 2018 #59
Do we know if Lewis is quoting either Christie or Bannon? ancianita Dec 2018 #40
I don't know. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2018 #66
Lewis is a great author. Pepsidog Dec 2018 #41
This has to be the most telling and believable meme I have read about Trump! usaf-vet Dec 2018 #42
Learned from W.? czarjak Dec 2018 #52
K&R Scurrilous Dec 2018 #43
Lewis's book is excellent. Highly recommend! octoberlib Dec 2018 #44
Oh, if only ... mellow Dec 2018 #45
"I want my f'ng money" keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #48
So he saw it simply as a con. Another source of money not to be spent but to go into his pocket. underpants Dec 2018 #54
We are slowly beginning to see that he has been the same way even back in 1980's. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2018 #67
Stuff like that is how you know Trump is in deep trouble Jarqui Dec 2018 #55
"I don't give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money." The Genealogist Dec 2018 #61
It wasn't ever Cheeto's money FakeNoose Dec 2018 #65

pecosbob

(7,534 posts)
2. Now this sounds like Donald J. Trump...
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 12:20 AM
Dec 2018
Trump was apoplectic, actually yelling, You're stealing my money! You're stealing my fucking money! What the fuck is this?? Seeing Bannon, Trump turned on him and screamed, Why are you letting him steal my fucking money? Bannon and Christie together set out to explain to Trump federal law. To which Trump replied, Fuck the law. I don't give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money.


Also...props to DJT for getting called out for being greedy by the POS that shut down a bridge as political retaliation.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
11. Yeah, but that POS did make the trip to the WH this week
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 12:51 AM
Dec 2018

to tell trump NO about that Chief of Staff position.
Which makes him a slightly smaller POS than before.

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
3. Gee .... you think anything has changed?
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 12:31 AM
Dec 2018
To which Trump replied, Fuck the law. I don't give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money.

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
58. Mob boss screaming at his lieutenants
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 04:16 PM
Dec 2018

But, hey, Don Corleone would have been more gracious.

Trump is and always has been a low-life, amoral, thug. It's becoming apparent that he didn't understand his obligations and, as here, attacked any and all who tried to educate him. If ever a POS deserved public humiliation and indefinite imprisonment, it's Individual-1.

RockRaven

(14,958 posts)
4. Somebody, likely SDNY, is going to get Bannon and Christie under oath about this moment
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 12:32 AM
Dec 2018

and either someone gets exposed as lying to Michael Lewis, or this serves as the paradigmatic example of Trump's behavior vis-a-vis every law governing politicians and money.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
12. I read everything that Lewis writes.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 12:53 AM
Dec 2018

If he says it happened, it did, and I suspect it was Christie who told him. So maybe, happily, christie might wanna testify at some point. Soon.

underpants

(182,763 posts)
53. I agree.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 03:39 PM
Dec 2018

Lewis doesn't need to embellish anything at this point. Between books and movie rights he's set.

BTW if you remember Tabitha Soren on MTV News in the early 90's, that's Michael's wife.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
33. I want him to
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 10:31 AM
Dec 2018

regret the day he even THOUGHT of running for president. Hopefully, he will have plenty of free time in prison to think about his "glory days" flying on AF1, golfing for free, accusing Hillary and others of being "crooked". Fat, repulsive, ugly orange blob is a total waste of space as a human. His "kids" are not far behind.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
51. I want.....
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 03:22 PM
Dec 2018

LIVE COVERAGE of the "dead man walking" march out of the White House - in cuffs!!!!

(Faux "News" will be doing re-runs of Bengazi hearings.......... )

calimary

(81,209 posts)
56. I still can't help but suspect he's gonna bug out in the middle of the night.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 04:01 PM
Dec 2018

He won’t want that kind of publicity, or those terrible photos like the one of disgraced televangelist Jim Bakker being dragged out, half sobbing, half collapsing, with big strong lawmen holding him up at the armpits as they walked him toward facing the music.

He doesn’t think anything is wrong because this is ALWAYS how he’s done “business” in the private sector - where nobody cared that much and he offered plenty of pop culture amusement and American taxpayers weren’t personally on the hook for all his expensive misdeeds, manipulations, lies, and corner-cutting.

This is how he’s always done business! He was never held accountable before. Tight little family niche business. Nobody cared that much. And there were always bigger fish for the feds to fry. So he could blithely do cameos in movies and TV, and run his mouth off with Howard Stern, and nobody cared. Nobody HAD TO care! Until now.

Quixote1818

(28,928 posts)
6. To fit in every scandal into the Trump movie, it may end up longer than the LOTR's trilogy.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 12:39 AM
Dec 2018

I believe those were like ten hours.

erronis

(15,235 posts)
37. If they make a documentary series on this it should be required watching for high-school students.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 10:59 AM
Dec 2018

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
46. A limited series would be perfect
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 02:16 PM
Dec 2018

Whoever makes it could actually explore other characters and their crimes. Like Ivanka and Jared, Don Jr., Manafort, Butina, the members of the GOP, the Russian Ambassador, the Saudi Prince, etc. and it could flesh out characters like Mueller.

It could be riveting if done right and would serve to make a difficult subject of legal spaghetti unravel into an understandable subject. Throw in disgusting bits like the Kavanaugh hearings and the cruelty of throwing children into cages and the obvious GOP corruption and you can keep people’s attention, as well as educate them.

It can be done.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. Oh, yes, Manafort's favorite animatron was stuck with the job.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 12:56 AM
Dec 2018

So he is smack dab in the middle of the cross hairs in the investigation.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
31. And now we know that Trump refused to pay for it, so where did the money come from?
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 09:12 AM
Dec 2018

Did the Russians or another foreign country give Pence the money needed for all those transition staff salaries?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
50. Trump finally gave in, so the money collected was spent.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 03:09 PM
Dec 2018

Now. of course, the Feds are probing HOW/WHO of the spending.

harumph

(1,898 posts)
8. Ya know - when he says this is a "witch hunt" ...
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 12:40 AM
Dec 2018

sometimes I wish it was a witch hunt - a real 17th century type witch hunt,
complete with the customary climax.

dalton99a

(81,443 posts)
14. Trump's motto: "Fuck the law. I don't give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money."
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 01:31 AM
Dec 2018

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dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
60. I take this as a sign of just how close to being broke he is
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 04:56 PM
Dec 2018

He is desperate for cash and doesn't care what he has to do to get it

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
62. I'll never again trust anyone like this near my checkbook, or for that matter, any public office...
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 06:42 PM
Dec 2018

He's a crook, plain and simple.

Midnight Writer

(21,745 posts)
16. Thanks for posting this. I told someone about this but couldn't remember where I read it.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 02:36 AM
Dec 2018

This sounds like a good Michael Lewis book. I will treat myself this for Christmas.

Hamlette

(15,411 posts)
18. yet evangelicals love him, and think God sent him to say "I don't give a fuck about the law."
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 02:46 AM
Dec 2018

The book is an excellent read. I red it when it first came out and keep returning to it to read parts over again. The title comes from a ranking of risks to the nation. I don't remember the three four, but four is destruction of the electric grid. Number 5 is poor management. the ranking system evaluates how likely it is to happen and how much damage can/will be done if it does happen. The lower the number the most dangerous. When you see how horrible Trump is at managing the country, you understand why it is such a scary risk.

Chemisse

(30,808 posts)
26. It may have a legal impact, demonstrating a pattern of behavior.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 06:47 AM
Dec 2018

And I bet this is only the tip of the iceberg. Mueller likely has a multitude of these little anecdotes to enrich the pile of evidence he has accumulated.

Also, more than the legal details, these are the tales that may someday break the spell he has over his cult members.

Ciaphas Cain

(124 posts)
21. Jokers Wild
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 04:32 AM
Dec 2018

I look forward to more stories like this, especially from Bannon.

I don't think about him very much otherwise. I forgive him considering everyone hates him and he looks like the biggest clown ever.

2naSalit

(86,529 posts)
24. He's also been
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 04:39 AM
Dec 2018

spreading his agenda around the planet and helping all those fascists get elected in the past year, since he was kicked out of the WH for looking slimier than shitler and sucking up the news feed and pissing off the jarvanka.

keithbvadu2

(36,763 posts)
47. "and pissing off the jarvanka."
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 02:32 PM
Dec 2018

"and pissing off the jarvanka."

Donald had to tell Breitbart to knock off the anti-Jew stuff about Jared.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
25. republicans have cursed the USA with their greedy, ignoble Draft-Dodger-in-Chief
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 06:37 AM
Dec 2018

republicans will be remembered in history as having betrayed America for "fucking money."

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
34. Along with others, I would give almost anything to have this recorded.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 10:44 AM
Dec 2018

It would be priceless on tape. (yes, I know that term is outdated)

 

Ink Addict

(36 posts)
59. Bin Laden concrete wall footers "9/11 fly 'em outta here ASAP" connection?
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 04:37 PM
Dec 2018

I tried to "dig it up" but didn't find any specific leads toward that end, and there's the..."but the official" story, but the "official" story, but...

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
66. I don't know.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 12:07 AM
Dec 2018

No quote given as far as I have read, and this excerpt is towards the beginning.

I would kind of figured anyone who was in the WH mix isn't gonna wanted to be quoted, at least not yet.

usaf-vet

(6,181 posts)
42. This has to be the most telling and believable meme I have read about Trump!
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 12:30 PM
Dec 2018

"I want my fucking money!"

My money! Exactly, it is now and has always been about money.

He sees the U.S. Treasury as his private piggy bank.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
44. Lewis's book is excellent. Highly recommend!
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 12:41 PM
Dec 2018

Lewis’s sources are current and former members of the Depts. of Energy, Commerce etc. Obama had each department write up detailed reports so the incoming new department heads would up to snuff on everything. The reports ended up getting trashed without being read and Trump aides walked through the Dept. of Energy insulting and ridiculing scientists and other people who worked there.

underpants

(182,763 posts)
54. So he saw it simply as a con. Another source of money not to be spent but to go into his pocket.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 03:40 PM
Dec 2018

Not surprising but still remarkable

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
67. We are slowly beginning to see that he has been the same way even back in 1980's.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 12:14 AM
Dec 2018

New York Attorney General Letitia James, bless her heart, is investigating that far back for state crimes.
certainly what we have learned about Fred Trump's tax evasion suggests that will be a fruitful investigation.

In short, the Dotard we know is how he has always been. None of these self serving money games is new.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
55. Stuff like that is how you know Trump is in deep trouble
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 03:59 PM
Dec 2018

He's done this kind of thing his whole life.

He is like a spoiled, ignorant little kid having a tantrum for a chocolate bar in the grocery store with the difference being that there has never been a strong adult in enough control to firmly say no.

As such, all these investigations :


have a much better chance than normal of bearing the fruits of criminal evidence.

Financial crimes are much tougher to lie about because of the paper/digital trail financial transactions require and leave. Couple that with the immunity deals his CFO Weisselberg cut and Cohen's millions of pieces of evidence along with his immunity and the spoiled brat is not going to get away.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
61. "I don't give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money."
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 04:58 PM
Dec 2018

Why this isn't Trump's official motto is beyond my comprehension. He should have it stamped on coins and embroidered on his tacky hats. After all, this slogan truly encapsulates his entire term of office.

FakeNoose

(32,628 posts)
65. It wasn't ever Cheeto's money
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 11:47 PM
Dec 2018

According to Michael Lewis, the money was raised by Chris Christie through donations for the express purpose of managing the transition team that was required by law. The money was never meant for Cheeto or his campaign. Either something else was going on, or Cheeto was seriously delusional about this money being "his."

Ultimately he did an end run around Christie by firing him and figuring out ways to embezzle from the Inauguration funds. After the transition and inaugural, there was still money leftover which was supposed to be returned to the original donors. Instead, he declared his "2020 Re-election Campaign" and transferred the leftover cash into his new campaign war chest. It's just 24/7/365 grifting.



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