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(17,235 posts)US through the minefield ahead.
Tell your friend to get real!
Stinky The Clown
(67,818 posts)Look around, friend. Your message is misplaced.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Go ask Nancy Pelosi.
Stinky The Clown
(67,818 posts)Reduced to snark while **completely** missing the point of the OP.
So here we go.
Beto O'Rourke is the current DemDarling. We've had plenty. He can raise money. He looks like JFK. By gosh, he says great stuff about lots of things. He **almost** won Tejas (against the singularly most unlikeable Senator since Joe McCarthy in the 1950s. Apart from that, he's no more a heavyweight than any other serious candidate.
And yet, there we go. Beto, Beto, Beto.
The rest of the point of the OP is far less "nice". Why Beto, but no mention of Gillum and Abrams?
THAT was the point of the OP.
Personally, I don't think any of them are standouts. Each are possibles, to be sure. But I don't think any of the three should be early frontrunners.
Have a swell day. See ya around campus.
Access Geek
(19 posts)Or did you notice their skin color and make that assumption?
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)How low will you go playing the race card?! Shame on you!
Access Geek
(19 posts)When they go low, we KICK them. Always remember. Attorney General Holder was spot-on.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)it would be foolhardy fantasy to believe they could win an election as POTUS. Got to get real. Has nothing to do with race, so get off it!
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)And some of the people with experience aren't so wise
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Lars39
(26,116 posts)Betos 80 million got a lot of attention. Ill admit ignorance to the amounts for Abrams and Gillum.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Record breaking numbers for the state.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)He got the $$ because he is able to speak with wisdom in a cogent way to problems.
Because I was involved in it in a personal way I follow migrant/refugee vews/opinion offered by everyone. Beto was the only one pushing for the real longtime answer beyond creating a legal pathway for folks here; we need to invest in the broken economies in Central America so families don't need to walk 1000 miles to get help.
It's that kind of wisdom that's going to raise $ 80 million.
Lars39
(26,116 posts)His ability to look at the bigger picture could help us all.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)O'Rourke and Gillium.
Sunsky
(1,737 posts)cilla4progress
(24,766 posts)I want a ticket that reflects the diversity of our party.
Will be a big mistake to let this moment pass.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)No state wide let alone national experience. All three are thin on experience but Gillum has the least.
Polybius
(15,476 posts)This Beto talk is silly to me. I like candidates that will win their home state.
aeromanKC
(3,327 posts)Abrams and Gilliam are too short on federal D.C. government experience.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Barack Obama and George HW Bush are the only presidents elected in the last 50 years with any federal government experience. Every other president during the last half century. except Trump, of course, got all or most of their government experience in and came directly from state government.
And I defy you to name one president elected in the last 150 years whose primary experience was 3 years in the House. I'm not saying that beto's experience is not sufficient to be president but simply pointing out the fallacy of claiming his experience makes him so much more qualified than Abrams and Gillum.
The goalposts are being moved oo justify a run by Beto while dismissing Abrams and Gillum - sad but, unfortunately, not surprising.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Bradshaw3
(7,529 posts)While accusing others of supposedly moving the goalposts (who they are or why they are doing so you don't say of course) you move goalposts all over the place and use false ino in doing so.
You have a goalpost of 50 years for federal government experience of elected presidents, which is quite wrong. Nixon, elected, in 1968 and again in 1972, was in the house and senate before becoming Vice-President so his only experience was in the federal government. If you go back to the two before Nixon, both had extensive federal government experience, so why 50 years as a goalpost, unless you are simply trying to justify a position you already hold.
You also get O'Rourke's time in the House wrong. It was three terms and six years, not three years. And, yes I would say that six years in the House is a higher bar than serving one term as mayor of a city with 190,000 people.
intheozone
(1,103 posts)they will be exceptional candidates and public servants.
BumRushDaShow
(129,458 posts)"federal D.C. government experience".
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)SOME FOLKS believe America cannot have two highly qualified African-American Presidential Candidates in a Century after having a SUCCESSFUL African-American President held the office for eight years. #StraightTruth
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)won't come out and vote. Joy Reid said that this morning.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)However, what Ms. Reid was likely speaking of is what might be seen as disrespect of a largely loyal block of Democratic Voters by not making neither Gillium or Abrams an active part of the conversations surrounding likely 2020 Presidential Candidates.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Party...it was awful in 2016 - the Dem's have 'nobody'...well well well ...we have such a deep bench and we have so many great candidates and members in our party that no matter who gets chosen it will be a win.
standingtall
(2,787 posts)so none of the three.
JI7
(89,264 posts)Takket
(21,625 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)That said, I cant imagine a Presidential primary lineup where I would be left voting for any of them. Out of the three I would have ORourke and Gillum well behind Abrams.
Stinky The Clown
(67,818 posts)Indeed. And the essential point of the OP.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)whoever can win, period.
mahina
(17,697 posts)So what are the skills?
Ability to understand complicated problems, to hear diverging view points and discern truth from bullshit.
Agility of mind and imagination and deep well of hope, to see a way forward and things look impossible.
Ability to communicate complex and difficult situations to the people in a way that gets everything said succinctly and in a way that speaks to our hearts with authenticity and sincerity and hope tempered with realism.
Ability to bring out the best in people.
Ability to help us be better as a country.
Values. For real.
A vision of a better America and a better world and a path forward.
mcar
(42,373 posts)Seems to me there's an answer there somewhere.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Asking for a co-worker.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,198 posts)At this point, however, I don't think any of them are primed to run for President in 2020.
In 2024 or beyond, that's an entirely different question. If at least one of those three ends up becoming our President, it would be a great thing.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)But neither struck me as having the charisma Beto has. And yes, that matters. Obama had it. Beto has it. But we'll see how he does. But hey, if Abrams and Gillum wanna throw their hat in the ring, hop on in!
tblue37
(65,488 posts)But not POTUS yet. Let one be TO to a more nation experienced hand, then step up as our next POTUS candidate.
At the moment I like Harris or Booker for the top slot. Both are willing to kick a** and take names.