BOOM: Pence, Flynn, Elijah Cummings..... wrap it all up Seth Abramson.

[Grasswire2]

Seth recommends this twitter thread:

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Dirty stuff, Pence.

[Grasswire2]

1. attys on twitter are saying that Flynn likely fingered Pence. nt

[FarPoint]

2. So, Pence very well....

Could be the Mystery Guest last Friday for DC Federal Grand Jury...

[Grasswire2]

9. that was my first thought... nt

[NCDawg]

11. Winner, winner,...

Chicken Dinner!!!!!

[FarPoint]

40. Hahahahah

Thanks for the validation...

[brush]

27. So Cummings caught Pense in lie way back then.

And I suspect Rep. Cummings, soon to be chair of the Oversight committee will be calling Pense to testify.

Woohoo!

[Grasswire2]

43. Yes.

There's some sort of justice in this, isn't there?

[Blue_true]

51. Maybe that is why he was so tired at the Kicking Trump's ass demo that Pelosi and Schumer put on.

He would have gotten a summons by then.

[NewJeffCT]

3. If Pence goes down before Trump

I believe a replacement VP would need to be approved by both houses of Congress.

Any moderate Republicans that would be able to get past a Democratic House? And, would a moderate Republican get votes from the Teabagger caucus?

Now, I'd love to say Hillary Clinton, but she won't be approved by the Senate.

William Cohen - retired senator from Maine and Sec Defense under Clinton?

Any others?

[Cracklin Charlie]

6. Why wouldn't Clinton be approved?

She was a Senator, and confirmed as Secretary of State.

She could be confirmed.

[NewJeffCT]

16. Republicans have a majority in the Senate

and I can't imagine any Republican Senator would vote for her.

Democrats had big majorities in both Houses when Spiro Agnew went down and we still ended up with a moderate Republican in Gerald Ford as VP

[thesquanderer]

29. Not by a Senate with a Republican majority. (n/t)

[DemoTex]

22. Amendment 25 - US Constitution

Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

[NewJeffCT]

24. which is why

Hillary Clinton won't get nominated.

Most likely, Trump would try Chris Christie or Fruity Rudy.

[DemoTex]

31. But it would have to pass in the Democratic-controlled House also.

I think that would force selection of a much more centrist candidate for VP replacement than Rudy G. or Chris Crispy. And perhaps a woman (but not Hillary .. she would never pass in the GOP-controlled Senate).

But, IMO, we will get to see the 25th Amendment in action with the replacement of Mike Pence-ski. And maybe with Trump-ski.

[NewJeffCT]

33. I think if it needs to pass the House

I hope Pelosi sits on it and says that a president under multiple criminal investigations should not get to make important appointments like VP.

[William Seger]

35. If there's no VP when Trump gets the boot, Pelosi will be Prez

[FarPoint]

42. Timing will be everything....

The President can appoint a republic hack if still President....it's a tightrope move....If I know that then the president should know that too....

Nixon appointed Ford after Agnew resigned...but yes...we could very easily get President Pelosi...

[Grasswire2]

44. it gets complicated, doesn't it? nt

[machoneman]

58. Guys, we'd stall it forever! Think: if the House keeps voting no and no majority...

is ever achieved, the post remains open and we control the narrative. Speaker Pelosi would be next in line and as Trump is indicted (if not impeached) we use our majority to remove Trump and install Pelosi.

Not that far-fetched and hey, no reason why we could not go w/o a VP until the next election, eh?

[Rabrrrrrr]

25. If Pence goes down, Donald will remain without a VP, and when Donald goes down, Pelosi becomes POTUS

And since Pelosi then becomes POTUS for less than half a term, she could still serve another 8.

Imagine that kick in the balls to the GOP - Pelosi for president for 9-10 years!

BWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Though I'm not sure that she would run for president, even if she became POTUS by being promoted from Speaker of the House. But maybe.

I just think it hilarious that the GOP bullshit criminal shenanigans could be the very reason that their sworn enemy Nancy Pelosi becomes POTUS and possibly for more than two terms!

[Blue_true]

52. I would love to see Nancy be President for 10 years.

But she is wise enough to realize that her job as President would be to heal the country until a new President can be chosen in 2020.

[tinrobot]

26. The House could get Merrick Garland revenge on this.

Because the president is under suspicion and we're so close to an election, we'll have to wait and see...

That puts Pelosi as next in line.

Heads would explode.

[Grasswire2]

45. ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

And Elijah Cummings would have brought that about!!!

Twice a hero.

[Blue_true]

53. You know, that is EXACTLY what should be done if Pence goes down first. nt

[Grasswire2]

56. Mother doesn't like that talk.

Altho Mother doesn't know just what it means.

[Blue_true]

57. I really am not sure about guys that call their wife or girlfriends "Mother"

Same with women that call husbands or boyfriends "father". Just plain weird in a creepy sort of way.

[thesquanderer]

32. re: "Any moderate Republicans that would be able to get past a Democratic House?"

I'd say no. Because if that VP became President before 2020, an incumbent "moderate Republican" becomes harder for them to beat that November.

[NewJeffCT]

34. a moderate would likely be challenged from the right

by the GOP during the primaries, which are skewed towards nominating radical RWers

[thesquanderer]

38. He might be challenged in a primary, but the incumbent would likely prevail. (n/t)

[Blue_true]

54. Exactly, I was going to make that point.

Is there a moderate republican? If there is, that person likely is anti Trump, making it unlikely that Trump will chose him or her.

[Roland99]

7. Madame President

[HuskyOffset]

30. Mother does not approve...

...of this "fingering" business.

[yonder]

41. heh, heh. made me laugh

[Grasswire2]

47. LOLOL

I knew someone was going to snifff at the terminology.

Hahahah!

[pecosbob]

4. I guess that he and his entire staff must have been on a desert island somewhere that day

with no access to phones or email or cable news or freaking carrier pigeons because everybody else in the entire country heard the press release.

Am I reading this correctly? Was this guy Bijan Rafiekian on Trump's transition team?

Edit* In fact he was Deputy Lead assigned to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Guess he was just fetching coffee.

[watoos]

19. Darn that Elijah, he went down the rabbit hole,

but he dropped peas to find his way out.

Thoughts and prayers to Mike Pence, and Mommy.

[dalton99a]

5. Kick

[Grasswire2]

8. Bijan Kian trending huge on twitter.

[link:https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Bijan%20Kian%22&src=tren|

[Buckeyeblue]

10. 45 will try to blame Pence for everything if the opportunity presents itself

[NCDawg]

13. Of course he will,....

and like Cohen, Gates, Pecker, Flynn and Papadopoulos, good ole' Pence will flip to save himself....

Like rats, they are all beginning to flee the sinking ship!!!

[NewJeffCT]

17. Welcome to DU

I think Don Jr and Eric would flip on Daddy if they could save their own skins.

[watoos]

21. I honestly believe that Ivanka is dirtier than Uday and Qusay.

Daddy had a soft spot for her, taught her the ropes.

[NCDawg]

39. Completely agree,....

On Jr., Eric and Ivanka. She won't flip and like her "daddy" they both will get an extended stay at Club Fed!

[Pinkflamingo]

12. And that's why the donald is willing to shut down the government.

I’m personally in favor of forcing him out of office. This egomaniac won’t get out quietly but he’s causing more and more damage every day. I’d even take Pence over him at this point.

[SunSeeker]

14. K & R

[DallasNE]

15. Over The Weekend NBC Released A Poll

Showing Trump's approval rating at 43%, which is about where it has been for the last year. In other words, none of the indictments have pulled down Trump so it looks to me like he could ride this out to the end of his term. Granted, this looks to be problematic to re-election but certainly no impeachment. And, from the looks of things, the Russians are again active on Facebook and other social media so one can't rule out the possibility that their persistent push to divide and conquer could work well enough to get Trump re-elected, even if he is named as an unindicted co-conspirator. This is not over by a long shot. Not when one has the resources available that Trump has.

[Blue_true]

55. I only use a cellphone. I have my family listed by name in my phone directory.

Same with business contacts. I don't answer calls from unknown numbers. My guess, 70% of Americans are like me in that regard. My point, the 43% number for Trump is likely bullshit, if it was not, he would have had more of a possitive impact for republicans in midterms - where they won, Florida, North Dakota, maybe Indiana and Missouri, they cheated. Where there were reasonably fair elections, they lost big.

[oasis]

18. Pence is the 2nd biggest liar in Trump's White House. nt

[OMGWTF]

20. It was Jailbird Paul Manafort who wanted Pence as VP which begs the question -- WHY?

[watoos]

23. I've been thinking about that too.

It may have been a political decision, to have a "religious person" on the ticket, even if he was a false prophet, he would appeal to the Talibangelical voters.

I'm like you though, there must be another connection.

[Texin]

37. Manafort isn't about "religion" unless the religion is worship of the Golden Calf

That wouldn't have been his reason. Every fucking one of these people are corrupt, avaricious money grubbers. They'll not only collude with foreign powers to attain a monetary foothold anywhere on the planet, including foreign countries and leaders that are openly hostile and inimical to the United States, but they'd stab their own mother in the back to rob the gold and diamonds of her cold dead body.

[Grasswire2]

49. yes

I figured it was because Pence dragged along the Dominionists.

[angrychair]

28. I've been tweeting this for over a year and a half

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11535319

[Texin]

36. Pence might have had plausibible deniability -- it it weren't for that last paragraph.

The fact that Cummings issued that press release simultaneously and was interviewed on multiple outlets the same day make it impossible that Pence was not aware, and aware in real time. Otherwise, had the letter just been issued, there is a possibility that one of his aids who received and reviewed the letter might not have passed it on (not likely if one wants to keep his or her job). It's possible that they could have passed it on and still it might have escaped Pence's review, not likely, but not out of the realm of possibility. But the fact is, with that press release and all the cable news outlets going all over this, it would be impossible for Pence to not know about it. Pence was chosen (or I should say put under tRump's nose by Manafort) for a specific reason. I can't elucidate that rationale, but Manafort knows what it is, and if he does, so does Putin.

[Grasswire2]

50. I haven't seen this mentioned in two hours of MSNBC yet.

I hope someone follows up.

[JCMach1]

46. So, can a sitting VP be indicted?

We may be about to find out...

[Solly Mack]

48. K&R