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Yosemito

(648 posts)
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:26 PM Dec 2018

Kirsten Gillibrand worried that top three Democrats are white men

Because we are a diverse nation, senator Kirsten Gillibrand is worried that the top three contenders for the Democratic nomination according to polls are white men.
When van Jones asked her whether she was nervous about it, she answered yes at the 20 second mark of this clip:


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Kirsten Gillibrand worried that top three Democrats are white men (Original Post) Yosemito Dec 2018 OP
It might have been the TOP FOUR white men Chipper Chat Dec 2018 #1
Yep.......... MyOwnPeace Dec 2018 #2
Unsupported conspiracy theory brooklynite Dec 2018 #26
Gillibrand has burned some bridges with her attacks on Al Franken Gothmog Dec 2018 #3
+1 Power 2 the People Dec 2018 #5
Brilliant idea. I would vote for him in a heartbeat over her. nt jrthin Dec 2018 #8
I really love that idea. He'd win. Funtatlaguy Dec 2018 #30
I guess it has been at least a week since the last "I hate Gillibrand" thread... brooklynite Dec 2018 #27
Isn't this person in the top two? WeekiWater Dec 2018 #34
Sanders isn't a democrat. mn9driver Dec 2018 #38
Seems to be polling well in advance of our primary. NT WeekiWater Dec 2018 #45
Sure, but that's only because we're more mad at him for other things /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #39
If we get any more angry he is going to shoot right past Biden. NT WeekiWater Dec 2018 #46
and that the top three do not include her lol nt msongs Dec 2018 #4
Yeah, I think that's part of her problem Retrograde Dec 2018 #14
I'm worried about this as well. Kurt V. Dec 2018 #6
Weren't our last three nominees are not white men? Yosemito Dec 2018 #10
that was then. Kurt V. Dec 2018 #12
Concern is noted... n/t Dennis Donovan Dec 2018 #15
thank you. Kurt V. Dec 2018 #21
It's hard to say how this shakes out Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2018 #7
The Horror!!!! The Horror!!!! borgesian Dec 2018 #9
Oh goodie a whole new thread to trash Gillibrand. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #11
If there is a OP about her there will be criticism of her. Freedom of speech includes the right to wasupaloopa Dec 2018 #18
She's at 1 percent in most polls BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #13
Agree. nt Doremus Dec 2018 #22
The polls are based on name recognition. NT WeekiWater Dec 2018 #31
Not exactly a revelation there. BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #36
I imagine she would admit that. She is very bright and knows she has limited name recognition. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #37
she had better get to work then BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #42
She's right, but it's still early. cynatnite Dec 2018 #16
Van Jones asked her the question oberliner Dec 2018 #17
It's a good, if shallow, question. And she gave a decent answer. Bucky Dec 2018 #33
Agreed oberliner Dec 2018 #40
If the voters elect a white man via the primaries, so be it. Vinca Dec 2018 #19
After what she did to Franken she wouldn't Luciferous Dec 2018 #20
If she gets the nomination she'll get your vote. Fight me. Bucky Dec 2018 #25
Everyone on this thread will vote for the eventual democratic nominee. mn9driver Dec 2018 #41
Ha, she won't get the nomination. Luciferous Dec 2018 #43
Of course, neither will 90% of the other candidates... brooklynite Dec 2018 #44
I hope we have a woman President too. Just not Ms Gillibrand. jalan48 Dec 2018 #23
We could have Joe Biden get a Rachel Dolezol makeover. Then it's problem solved. Bucky Dec 2018 #24
in other worsds she is worried she may not win primary AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #28
As am I. Time to turn over the keys. NT WeekiWater Dec 2018 #29
Biden runs as one termer only with Kamala as Veep. Problem solved. Funtatlaguy Dec 2018 #32
Ugh. What about Kamala for president and Joe around as Veep just for the kicks. Bucky Dec 2018 #35
She'd be the oldest Democrat elected president since Harry Truman. Celerity Dec 2018 #52
her concern is noted shanny Dec 2018 #47
So? That's who the VOTERS like at this point. OrlandoDem2 Dec 2018 #48
and she isn't one of those four Raine Dec 2018 #49
That is not what I took from this interview, at all. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #50
Everyone else involved in the decision to "oust" Franken, is likely grateful Kirsten gets the hate. JHan Dec 2018 #51

MyOwnPeace

(16,923 posts)
2. Yep..........
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:34 PM
Dec 2018

wonder what she is working on for the other three?

(Oh, but it won't be "just her" - it will be many others, it's just her name we hear the most.........)

Gothmog

(145,046 posts)
3. Gillibrand has burned some bridges with her attacks on Al Franken
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:35 PM
Dec 2018

Gillibrand has been told by the major fundraisers that she will have a difficult time raising funds to run in 2020

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
6. I'm worried about this as well.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:46 PM
Dec 2018

the number of women that won in the midterms should count for something

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,399 posts)
7. It's hard to say how this shakes out
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:46 PM
Dec 2018

but I hope that our party hasn't become risk-averse and/or bought into the media narrative about "economically anxious" white votes because of the right-wing backlash against the election of Barack Obama and the nomination of Hillary Clinton.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
18. If there is a OP about her there will be criticism of her. Freedom of speech includes the right to
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 04:27 PM
Dec 2018

trash our leaders.

BannonsLiver

(16,342 posts)
36. Not exactly a revelation there.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 05:36 PM
Dec 2018

Regardless, she’s not in an enviable spot relative to others. I suspect even she would admit that.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
37. I imagine she would admit that. She is very bright and knows she has limited name recognition.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 05:38 PM
Dec 2018

An overwhelming majority of candidates who will be running in our primary aren't in an enviable spot in these name recognition polls.

"She should be reflecting on why that is."

Seems to be a bit of a revelation.

Bucky

(53,984 posts)
33. It's a good, if shallow, question. And she gave a decent answer.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 05:27 PM
Dec 2018

The problem is that race, as a category, is an inherently shallow topic.

Race as a historical problem that all Americans grapple with is a deep rich problem. It's something she could have explored and it would have offered a lot of insight to her thinking. Maybe the fact that she didn't explore & verbally perambulate the way Bill Clinton or Obama would have to offer fresh paradigms for our thinking tells us something about Gillebrand. I like her as a senator and she has the most anti-Trump voting record in the senate. So she's not unsubstantial. But she's not a paradigm shifter either.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
40. Agreed
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 05:43 PM
Dec 2018

I just think it's important to point out that she isn't just going around making this statement on her own - it was said in response to a question she was asked.

Vinca

(50,248 posts)
19. If the voters elect a white man via the primaries, so be it.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 04:31 PM
Dec 2018

There should be no prebaked standard for our candidates. Coronations don't work. Someone will catch fire and whether they are male or female or black or white or old or young will not matter. Ousting Republicans is what matters.

mn9driver

(4,422 posts)
41. Everyone on this thread will vote for the eventual democratic nominee.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 05:44 PM
Dec 2018

Otherwise, they don’t belong here. That being said, I won’t be supporting her for the nomination.

brooklynite

(94,452 posts)
44. Of course, neither will 90% of the other candidates...
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 05:47 PM
Dec 2018

But whatever choices people make, I'd say only a handful will even remember the Franken issue, much less care about it.

Bucky

(53,984 posts)
35. Ugh. What about Kamala for president and Joe around as Veep just for the kicks.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 05:30 PM
Dec 2018

I mean, at 56, It's not like she needs a chaperone. She'd be the oldest Democrat elected president since Harry Truman. Think about that.

Celerity

(43,240 posts)
52. She'd be the oldest Democrat elected president since Harry Truman.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 08:46 PM
Dec 2018

Wow, I never even thought of it like that!

OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
48. So? That's who the VOTERS like at this point.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 06:28 PM
Dec 2018

In 2016 voters on the Left ultimately decided for a white woman. And in 2008 and 2012 we decided on an African-American man. We are indeed a diverse party. And the voters may change their mind by 2020. Big freakin deal! Get behind whoever the Democratic voters decide!

 

MariePinchon

(86 posts)
50. That is not what I took from this interview, at all.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 08:25 PM
Dec 2018

I watched the interview and Gillibrand clearly states that all of our potential nominees are by far better than Trump and will have her full support.

But when questioned by Van Jones about the current lack of enthusiasm for our current potential female candidates, she answered quite honestly that it was a concern.

Of course it's a concern. What do Biden, Bernie and Beto offer that Kamala, Elizabeth and even Kirsten do not? I know the answer, and millions of Democratic women do too.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
51. Everyone else involved in the decision to "oust" Franken, is likely grateful Kirsten gets the hate.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 08:30 PM
Dec 2018

The hate is one of the most eye-rolling things in current politics, and that's saying something.

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