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Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:41 AM

Oh, the lies we're told! Got this in my natural gas bill this month.



The billing line reads: TaxCuts & JobsAct Adj. $118.87 @ -10.16% 12.08 CR

Now that's so nice until you compare this bill to last year's. The Dielivery Charge for 300 CCF went up from $.3289 to $.453182 this year. If my math is right that's an increase of 37%.

After my 10.16% credit, the delivery cost still was 26.84% higher than last year.

So, how does "Lower taxes lead to a lower cost of delivering energy to our customers..."?

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Reply Oh, the lies we're told! Got this in my natural gas bill this month. (Original post)
sinkingfeeling Dec 2018 OP
ChubbyStar Dec 2018 #1
SCantiGOP Dec 2018 #10
lunatica Dec 2018 #20
planetc Dec 2018 #2
Pepsidog Dec 2018 #6
padfun Dec 2018 #15
UpInArms Dec 2018 #3
jmowreader Dec 2018 #4
ROB-ROX Dec 2018 #5
Hekate Dec 2018 #9
mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2018 #11
sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #26
kiri Dec 2018 #18
calimary Dec 2018 #7
Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2018 #22
PeeJ52 Dec 2018 #8
aggiesal Dec 2018 #12
sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #27
sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #28
milestogo Dec 2018 #13
ProfessorGAC Dec 2018 #14
elmac Dec 2018 #16
FakeNoose Dec 2018 #17
Nitram Dec 2018 #19
lunatica Dec 2018 #24
Omaha Steve Dec 2018 #21
Totally Tunsie Dec 2018 #23
lunatica Dec 2018 #25

Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:45 AM

1. But but but THE GRAPHIC, as if people are so happy to get their bill

What a pants load, the graphic and the letter. Rubbish!

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Response to ChubbyStar (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:46 AM

10. Here's the translation from bullshit to real:

We really like what the tax cut did for our stockholders and our executive bonuses. Please be stupid enough to tell your elected officials that you will support paying for more tax cuts.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:48 PM

20. They don't ask you to be stupid

No such politeness. They just presume it. Pretending to be nice is simply the easy way to mollify their customers as they gauge them.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:55 AM

2. The thing is, you're assuming it's possible to read yur utility bill.

It's not, of course. On a scale of 1 to 100, in which 1="Very Hard to Understand" and 100="Crystal Clear," utility bills are about a -1.
There will be an explanation of line charges at their website. It will not help at all.

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Response to planetc (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:38 AM

6. Hospital bill, cell phone, gas bill etc. none of them are understandable.

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Response to planetc (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:59 AM

15. When you spend 25 years in a bureaucracy reading these becomes second nature.

I guess not having a real life pays off once in a while.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:59 AM

3. Well, your math skills are greater than the MAGAts

And that is how it works ... the stupids cannot figure those equations and they have amnesia of anything not tweeted a few seconds ago ... they don’t remember they actually paid less last year.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:30 AM

4. This is how it works

The Trump Tax Cut leads to lower costs in delivering the energy.

At the same time, Trump tariffs lead to higher costs in their buying the energy to deliver to you - and that increase more than wipes out the savings from cheaper delivery.

I can only imagine how high your gas bill would have been if all there were was the tariffs.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:36 AM

5. CALIFORNIA ELECTRIC POWER COST INCREASE

California had an electric cost of $0.14 per kilowatt. This was increased to $0.21 per kilowatt this year. The cost is planned to increase again because of the fires this year. The current increase is 33% and no complaints because people need their electricity.....California has a lot of hydro power from damns.

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Response to ROB-ROX (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:43 AM

9. Oh if only we could get "hydroelectric power from damns"! Most of us have that to say ....

...and more about the fires and droughts.

I know it was a typo, but thanks for my morning chuckle.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:51 AM

11. Imagine how much energy we could get from real expletives.

I would be the source of my own perpetual energy.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:57 PM

26. Sad to say, but we've lowered (heat) bill since * hauled his disgusting rear end into

office. The expletives flying are saving us in heating energy costs. But, OTOH, costing us in mental health and overall wellness.

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Response to ROB-ROX (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:09 PM

18. kilowatt-hours

Please note that kilowatts are a measure of the rate of energy use. You pay for energy, that is kilowatt-hours, kWh. kwh can be translated to kilos of coal or liters of gasoline or cubic feet (meters) of methane (natural gas).

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:40 AM

7. That's a fun trick they play on the unsuspecting and gullible.

“Those tax cuts are saving our customers blah-blah-blah millions of dollars... “

The average Joe reads that and thinks “WOW! Look at the money I’M saving! Blah-blah-blah MILLIONS of dollars! WOW! That’s GREAT! More! Keep it up!”

But in real world numbers, YES their bills will keep rising. May even be by only a little bit of an increase, but up it will go. And that “fabulous” buck-98 “tax cut” that somehow finally trickled down to the Average Joe level will in NO WAY offset the mass across-the-board heist that hits that level from every direction as a result. More fees. Higher costs. Other unexpected extra charges. It’ll be, in effect, bigger taxes. They’ll just call it something different.

There really is a sucker born every moment. These days they’re called trump voters.

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Response to calimary (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:51 PM

22. All I seem to hear about

is one utility company or another petitioning to RAISE rates.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:42 AM

8. Welcome to 1984...

 

Chocolate rations are up this year too...

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:56 AM

12. Your close ...

.453182 - .3289 = .124282
.124282 / .3289 = .377872 or 37.79%
.3289 x 1.377872 = .453182

37.79% - 10.16% = 27.63%

*************************************
Back in the 70's, the energy company where I grew up was NipsCo.
NipsCo was Northern Indiana Public Service Company.

During the oil crises, they asked their customers to set their thermostats to 68 degrees,
to conserve energy and save on oil usage for the heaters. If it was a little colder than normal,
just put on sweats or a sweater.

The customers complied. Everyone did their part to conserve energy and oil usage that NipsCo
didn't quite make the profit they expected because everyone's bill was lower.
So what did NipsCo do? What any other profit motivated business would do; they raised the
prices !!!

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 01:02 PM

27. Isn't that the way? "Thx for helping us out in the energy crisis.

Proud of yas, ya pulled thru.
Now here's your reward:
We jacked up your rates!"

Devils.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 01:12 PM

28. Remember that. New England. One evening husband's parents came over beginning of crisis.

Had our thermostat set at 65 [?] middle of winter. Heat would not kick on. Mom-in-law kept her coat on!!😆 Husband and me said, "Turn the blasted heat on!! That's how nuts the power cos. were making people. I could hack it back then, but not now.

We moved to another state [mb state of confusion 😝] and a new hvac tech we hired said to leave thermostat on a reasonable temp., then adjust it accordingly. Never mind the numbers. And not jack it way down [or up] at nite, then back the other way. That's what sends your bill sky rocketing.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:56 AM

13. Look at the happy couple!

That's what you should look like when viewing your utility bill!

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Response to milestogo (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:59 AM

14. Yeah, As Long As You Can't Do Math

Then it's easy to look just like them.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:00 PM

16. in a plutocracy that gas company is your representative, your government

 

and they will take care of you because they love you

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:09 PM

17. So why are those Black Hills Energy people smiling?

Maybe they're looking at porn, because it can't be their gas bill.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:13 PM

19. The couple is looking at his erection, not at a gas bill.

It's an ad for Viagra.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:54 PM

24. Lol!

Thanks! I wasn’t expecting to laugh while reading about bill hikes!

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:49 PM

21. We have Black Hills too

Our bill is over 20% more than the folks served by the public utility MUD down the street.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:54 PM

23. Oh, so they're using the same math system as the Social Security Administration!

I see it works in the same wonderful way, too!

COLA goes up 2.8% so we should be happy and grateful, but Medicare deductions go up more, meaning "less $$$ for Mommy". Funny how that works...

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Response to Totally Tunsie (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:57 PM

25. And poor Paul Ryan has a sad that we even have that.

I suspect he’s going to be like Mitt Romney and never really go away. Ugh!

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