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The Dow is down nearly 700 points. (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 OP
Do you feel bad for poor people losing money in casinos and at the track? rzemanfl Dec 2018 #1
I feel bad for anybody, well almost anybody, who loses money. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #3
investments aren't gambling and tons of ordinary people have their retirement savings in the market CreekDog Dec 2018 #13
When the so-called President is calling his buddies late at night rzemanfl Dec 2018 #17
Hardly. Mosby Dec 2018 #15
republicans driving America into the freaking ditch Achilleaze Dec 2018 #2
Its what republicans do...every time workinclasszero Dec 2018 #11
Merry Christmas!!!!! ..... nt global1 Dec 2018 #4
We are headed for 800 Wellstone ruled Dec 2018 #5
the TRUMP SLUMP continues! People are realizing what he is all about now. Running to the ... SWBTATTReg Dec 2018 #6
please stop with the gambling comparisons D_Master81 Dec 2018 #7
Is that to me ? Poster One campared the equities markets to casinos, not me. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #12
Were you around when large CD's paid 12% and home mortgages were 16% rzemanfl Dec 2018 #18
CNN Business: "Stocks are having the worst December since the Great Depression" VOX Dec 2018 #8
I bet the wall street hustlers don't approve of the coming Trump/GOP govt shutdown workinclasszero Dec 2018 #9
Sadly, there's no good news that might encourage a recovery today. MineralMan Dec 2018 #10
This is mostly about the Fed tightening the money supply Bucky Dec 2018 #14
I sold two houses last year Guppy Dec 2018 #16

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
13. investments aren't gambling and tons of ordinary people have their retirement savings in the market
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 03:24 PM
Dec 2018

because there’s little alternative as pensions have gone by the wayside.

rzemanfl

(29,567 posts)
17. When the so-called President is calling his buddies late at night
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 03:59 PM
Dec 2018

and tweeting about things he says he's gonna do, making "investments" is gambling in a rigged game. The U.S.A. is kleptocracy these days.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
11. Its what republicans do...every time
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 03:22 PM
Dec 2018

But racist, misogynist idiots keep right on electing them anyway because Fox & Friends.

SWBTATTReg

(22,161 posts)
6. the TRUMP SLUMP continues! People are realizing what he is all about now. Running to the ...
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 03:14 PM
Dec 2018

exits as fast as they can, so they won't get caught in the stock / real market bloodbath to come. It's been over 10 years w/ this latest economic cycle. What goes up, must come down, eh?

D_Master81

(1,822 posts)
7. please stop with the gambling comparisons
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 03:17 PM
Dec 2018

people who game the system and find loopholes in the tax code I'm all for demonizing those people, but to compare investing to going and betting at the track or playing slots or table games at the casino is ridiculous. If someone does even a minor amount of research you find that the stock market isnt really gambling if you know what you're doing. I have owned several mutual funds since 2005 and only 2 of those years did they go down in value. 2 out of 13. If you look over the last 70+ years the stock market has averaged between 5-10% gains per year. The people who want to call it gambling only notice when it goes down. For instance my funds went up 26% last year at 29% in 2013. In between it was usually around 2% gains and this year its down about 1%. Average that all out and I believe thats around 12% over the last 6 years. Many people have money in the market through work 401Ks or through Vanguard type funds. To me anymore you almost have to b/c savings rates and cds are usually below 2% with inflation topping that, if you're just sitting on money in a bank you're actually going backwards.

rzemanfl

(29,567 posts)
18. Were you around when large CD's paid 12% and home mortgages were 16%
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 04:13 PM
Dec 2018

if you could find one? People couldn't sell their homes. There are things the average person isn't privy to. The fat cat part of the Republican party always seems to be in the know.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
8. CNN Business: "Stocks are having the worst December since the Great Depression"
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 03:20 PM
Dec 2018

Stocks are having the worst December since the Great Depression
https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2018/12/18/stocks-worst-december-great-depression.cnn-business

The Dow is down 7.8% and the S&P 500 is down 7.6% this month. That's the worst December performance since 1931.
Source: CNN Business

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
9. I bet the wall street hustlers don't approve of the coming Trump/GOP govt shutdown
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 03:20 PM
Dec 2018

See what happens when you elect demagogue criminals, Wall Street?

#TRUMPSLUMP

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
10. Sadly, there's no good news that might encourage a recovery today.
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 03:21 PM
Dec 2018

I expect it to be down 800+ by the close of the market today.

Bucky

(54,062 posts)
14. This is mostly about the Fed tightening the money supply
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 03:29 PM
Dec 2018

They're thinking there's gonna be a recession in the next year or so and they're trying to buy some wiggle room to lower rates once the correction hits Wall Street. Despite the meager profitability of the big tech stocks and the slackening housing market, unemployment is historically low and yet still not producing inflation.

Everybody's bracing for the downturn (it was inevitable, but Trump's stupid trade wars with China and Canada and threats of the same with Europe will have a multiplier effect on the strength of the recession). So about a third of the big corporate tax cut went into buying back stocked (which was stupid since it triggered this stock price downturn) or went into ready cash so they could weather the storm.

Once that recession hits, the Fed wants to be able to lower interest rates so they can hasten the trip to recovery. It's smart management (like slowing down as you enter a curve in the road so you can speed up when you come out of it. But the real problem is still about why arent we getting normal inflation growth with such a welcoming job market? I think it's the lack of growing consumer power. If there's less than 4% unemployed, the housing market should be growing, not losing price. Either we've overbuilt or the jobs people are getting are mostly crap. Or both.

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