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Grasswire2

(13,849 posts)
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 01:08 AM Dec 2018

Lot of chatter tonight on twitter about a United States of America jet that landed in St. Maarten..

...yesterday. Speculation about who might have ordered that jet and who was on it, and why. Many oligarchs there with yachts and planes, too.

https://screenshots.firefox.com/9pmcIdLJKgoE2x3H/twitter.com




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Lot of chatter tonight on twitter about a United States of America jet that landed in St. Maarten.. (Original Post) Grasswire2 Dec 2018 OP
trump and pence seeking asylum? hmm nt msongs Dec 2018 #1
Trump has a Ocean side Wellstone ruled Dec 2018 #2
Thanks. Apparently we can rent it via Airbnb. Hortensis Dec 2018 #22
Anyone want to start a go fund me... Takket Dec 2018 #27
:) It's a nice property. I'd cover its ears if I could. Hortensis Dec 2018 #28
Kavanaugh can rent his own damn AirBnB! regnaD kciN Dec 2018 #29
Yep. Wellstone ruled Dec 2018 #40
Wilbur Ross sending suitcases of cash for a quick wash? hatrack Dec 2018 #3
You're thinking small. JohnnyRingo Dec 2018 #19
Isn't Sint Maarten where the main airport for the rest of the island, WeekiWater Dec 2018 #4
St. Martin/Sint Maarten Golden Raisin Dec 2018 #24
Where is Mnuchin saveferris Dec 2018 #5
yeah lotta people are guessing cheating Mnuchen nt Grasswire2 Dec 2018 #6
This USAF Gulfstream Went Jetting Off To St. Martin Ahead Of The Impending Government Shutdown WeekiWater Dec 2018 #7
St. Maarten does not have an offshore banking industry, but, cough, cough, a lot of money..... Brother Buzz Dec 2018 #8
The last time we were there, Wellstone ruled Dec 2018 #41
Digging around on Twitter I found that the mega yacht 'Eclipse' was ported on 12/18... EarthFirst Dec 2018 #9
So Ivanka's on the plane? stuffmatters Dec 2018 #21
"I vant to be alone..." Ivanka (KGOP republican) Achilleaze Dec 2018 #32
Forbes says Russian oligarchs and US billionaires are converging down there... SunSeeker Dec 2018 #10
Once again, something that needs to be WIDELY reported!! bdjhawk Dec 2018 #16
The Turkish Cleric? n/t DallasNE Dec 2018 #11
If somebody went undercover they wouldn't be taking the President's plane FakeNoose Dec 2018 #12
On the other hand, Trump IS that arrogant to use government (our) money for the trip DFW Dec 2018 #25
Is St. Maarten's the same as the St. Martin's, where Trump has property? pnwmom Dec 2018 #13
apparently so. nt Grasswire2 Dec 2018 #14
Different half of the same island. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2018 #38
Christ, what is that orange fuck doing now? nt DRoseDARs Dec 2018 #15
Ha! Exactly blue-wave Dec 2018 #20
I mean it's one thing if Melania and Barron snuck down there, fine whatever. But Trump? DRoseDARs Dec 2018 #26
Pretty sure the Secret Service would prevent that... regnaD kciN Dec 2018 #30
This is not a Secret Service decision - they have nothing to do with it EffieBlack Dec 2018 #34
It's not Melania and Barron. Grasswire2 Dec 2018 #39
Here's an article about that flight. pnwmom Dec 2018 #17
interesting Grasswire2 Dec 2018 #18
The Information Age is remarkable empedocles Dec 2018 #36
I have a fantasy . . . WhiskeyWulf Dec 2018 #23
That would be most excellent. 🤗 dewsgirl Dec 2018 #33
We all have that fantasy spinbaby Dec 2018 #35
I'll bet a sock full of coal it's a frikken republican Achilleaze Dec 2018 #31
That has the smell of Mnuchin all over it. Vinca Dec 2018 #37
but now we know that Mnuchen went to Boca Raton. nt Grasswire2 Dec 2018 #43
I thought it was Mexico. In any case, it's a mystery which grifter took the plane. Vinca Dec 2018 #44
This seems to be flying under the radar. Nothing on the news about it. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2018 #42
scroll down to the bottom of the link here...pics of a suburban at the aircraft, and instagram photo Grasswire2 Dec 2018 #45
Geez....look at this. VIDEO! And is this the tower conversation?? Grasswire2 Dec 2018 #46
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
2. Trump has a Ocean side
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 01:12 AM
Dec 2018

Estate on St Maarten. Understand it is not uncommon for the Trumpian Kids to fly back and fore frequently.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Thanks. Apparently we can rent it via Airbnb.
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 04:37 AM
Dec 2018

He's had it on the market for some time, but don't see that it's sold.

Trump’s $17-million palm-tree-studded mansion in Saint Martin is available on Airbnb for $11,418 a night. (And if you’re thinking of staying there on Christmas or New Year’s Eve, the price almost doubles–to $21,600 a night).

The estate, known as the Chateau des Palmiers, can fit up to 16 guests into its luxurious 9 bedrooms and 8 bathrooms. The master suite is replete with a Jacuzzi tub as well as not one but two private balconies. The listing also includes a “huge” (read: yuuuge) heated pool, fitness center, tennis court, billiards, and dining room.

While the villa does have air conditioning, internet, an outdoor sound system, security staff, and a onsite chef, it doesn’t seem to have carbon monoxide or smoke detectors–you’ll have to bring those yourself. And it also comes with some conflicts of interest, according to ethics experts, who told Forbes that it “could give those seeking to curry favor with the administration… a chance to put tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars into Trump’s pockets by renting the property.”


Takket

(23,802 posts)
27. Anyone want to start a go fund me...
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 05:08 AM
Dec 2018

I’d love to send some deserving drunken frat boys, about 1000 of them, here for the New Years party of a lifetime.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. :) It's a nice property. I'd cover its ears if I could.
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 05:17 AM
Dec 2018

I don't blame beachfront for the fact that it's becoming an impossible dream for even the hardest workers and most provident savers among the various working classes. Some income redistribution that eliminated billionaires altogether could do wonders for restoring its market price to accessibility.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
40. Yep.
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 02:22 PM
Dec 2018

There is a group of folks who track the activities of certain aircraft via Tail Numbers. Don't have a link or name. They used to expose private aircraft used for Rendition flights by the CIA.

Same group posted the flights of the Trump Kids in 2016 between St Maarten and the States as well as Eourpe.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
4. Isn't Sint Maarten where the main airport for the rest of the island,
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 01:17 AM
Dec 2018

Saint Martin is? One is a part of the Netherlands and the latter French?

Golden Raisin

(4,756 posts)
24. St. Martin/Sint Maarten
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 04:58 AM
Dec 2018

is an island split into a Dutch and French half. It's a beautiful island and there's a lot of big money there on both sides. The main airport (Princess Juliana Airport) is on the Dutch side. Incidentally, it is one of the world's scariest runways to land on. A very short runway and you're flying so low before touchdown you barely miss the tops of umbrellas of the beach dwellers on one of the most popular beaches.

Brother Buzz

(40,408 posts)
8. St. Maarten does not have an offshore banking industry, but, cough, cough, a lot of money.....
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 02:01 AM
Dec 2018

quietly passes through it. My Magic 8-Ball is a little confused as to which direction the money is traveling at this moment and suggests I ask again later.

EarthFirst

(4,219 posts)
9. Digging around on Twitter I found that the mega yacht 'Eclipse' was ported on 12/18...
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 02:15 AM
Dec 2018

Owned by Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich.

Things that make you go “Hmmmm...”

stuffmatters

(2,580 posts)
21. So Ivanka's on the plane?
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 04:25 AM
Dec 2018

Isn't Abramovich's wife Ivanka's BFF? (She was Ivanka's guest at the Trump Inaugeration, sat right next to her)

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
32. "I vant to be alone..." Ivanka (KGOP republican)
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 06:16 AM
Dec 2018

"...with my russian mob BFFs." - Ivanka (KGOP republican)

SunSeeker

(58,374 posts)
10. Forbes says Russian oligarchs and US billionaires are converging down there...
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 02:34 AM
Dec 2018
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimdobson/2018/12/19/billionaire-superyacht-celebration-whos-who-in-st-barths-for-new-years/#562d1cdf23ff

No US government plane should be going down there, especially during a shutdown. This reeks of corrupt Trump administration grift...and/or treason.

FakeNoose

(42,406 posts)
12. If somebody went undercover they wouldn't be taking the President's plane
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 02:59 AM
Dec 2018

Am I right? Eric Prince (or somebody else) might have snuck in on a commercial flight, and nobody would have noticed. This jet gets noticed.

DFW

(60,435 posts)
25. On the other hand, Trump IS that arrogant to use government (our) money for the trip
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 05:03 AM
Dec 2018

And the fact that we are all here speculating who was on the plane means they have so far been perfectly able to conceal the identity of the passenger(s).

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
26. I mean it's one thing if Melania and Barron snuck down there, fine whatever. But Trump?
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 05:05 AM
Dec 2018

Have we confirmed his ass is in DC? I think we all would rather he be anywhere else, but then again anywhere else he could be doing more damage in secret. Fucking tired of this. A potted plant would be better than this. You'd know exactly where that fucking potato was and what it was doing at all times and not have to worry about it ... and it would still have enough sense not to pose for a photo-op in the Oval Office pretending to sign a stack of blank papers with a capped pen. Jesus fucking Christ is there no one there with an IQ higher than room temperature that could have caught that before the photo was taken?

regnaD kciN

(27,700 posts)
30. Pretty sure the Secret Service would prevent that...
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 05:29 AM
Dec 2018

As far as I know, they only allow the POTUS to fly on Air Force One, because it's the only aircraft with sufficient security and countermeasures to prevent a missile attack. I know that, early on, Trump wanted to use his own 757 (a.k.a. "Hair Force One" ) and the Secret Service vetoed it. I think it would be nearly impossible for him to be allowed to just take off in a private business jet, even one owned by the government, that would be a sitting duck for a surface-to-air missile.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
34. This is not a Secret Service decision - they have nothing to do with it
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 06:39 AM
Dec 2018

The president uses the large aircraft in connection with his role as commander in chief of the armed forces. It's not a security matter. The Secret Service's job is to keep the president safe in whatever situation he's in in fact, the president can fly on whatever aircraft he chooses, including commercial, and the Secret Service can't stop him.

Also, Air Force One isn't a particular plane. It's the radio call sign for any fixed wing Air Force aircraft carrying the president. That photo depicts a smaller government aircraft that is likely part of the Air Force fleet. If the president was on it, it was Air Force One for that flight.

It's not unusual for presidents to use smaller airplanes in the Air Force fleet for various reasons.

Grasswire2

(13,849 posts)
39. It's not Melania and Barron.
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 12:51 PM
Dec 2018

That has been discounted. They were in FL, and expected to return to be with Dotard for Xmas.

WhiskeyWulf

(589 posts)
23. I have a fantasy . . .
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 04:39 AM
Dec 2018

That one day we'll all be watching Rachel or something & there will be BREAKING NEWS!!! and it will turn into a balloon-boy type of scenario as we all watch Trump try to flee to Russia on Air Force One. And then Moscow won't clear the plane for landing. Wouldn't that be fun?

spinbaby

(15,404 posts)
35. We all have that fantasy
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 07:01 AM
Dec 2018

But he requires the cooperation of too many people for that to be likely to happen.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
31. I'll bet a sock full of coal it's a frikken republican
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 06:10 AM
Dec 2018

squandering our tax money. As usual.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,726 posts)
42. This seems to be flying under the radar. Nothing on the news about it.
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 06:05 PM
Dec 2018

Dunno if it'll make it to Rachel's show.

But there's something there.

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