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wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)on with dying and out of AOC's way.
Hey I am still alive! This is my world too! I care for progressive issues as much as AOC.
We have kids and grand kids whose lives we care about.
mokawanis
(4,488 posts)are our children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, etc. I don't know about members of Congress but my peers and I (I'm 60) care very much about the future and the world we'll leave behind for young people.
George II
(67,782 posts)
Mariana
(15,613 posts)She didn't say a single word against her older colleagues. You're making shit up to be offended about. That's pretty damn sad.
GemDigger
(4,380 posts)Mariana
(15,613 posts)Why assume it's meant to be negative? Is it necessarily a bad thing to mention a vast difference like that? And why make up a bunch of stuff she didn't say, as some posters on this thread have done, and then hold those figments of imagination against her?
George II
(67,782 posts)...don't care about the environment because they won't be around much longer.
That's simply not true, unless those older members don't care about their grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,592 posts)From Merriam-Webster. Imply: to involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary consequence rather than by direct statement.
In fact she did preference it with "For better or worse". So it could be better. Or worse, depending on our present day actions. And its not even a condemnation of the older generation for leaving the planet in such a mess for their children, which they deserve, its only a call to arms
SHE is also implying, in a good way....that if you are a member of Congress, who is either a senior Republican or even a conservative Blue Dog Democrat, who consistently votes in favor of their own or their donors bottom lines rather than the next generation's health and safety?....well, that she's not going to do that.
George II
(67,782 posts)....don't care about the world they'll be leaving for the younger members of their families as well as all Americans.
Why do you (as with someone else in this discussion) only refer to republicans or that tired old expression "blue dog Democrats and ignore all of the Democrats, "blue-dog" or not, that are in the House?
trueblue2007
(19,111 posts)I don't care for her opinion that folks like me should butt out. She has said things like this before and this isn't the first time she has told us to get lost. Look at what she tried to do to House Speaker NANCY PELOSI.
I don't like the young lady acting like she is Queen and she is making all the rules. She is a newbie and needs to work with EVERYONE in the Democratic Party.
Merry Christmas everyone.
R B Garr
(17,951 posts)from him. If she doesn’t, then she losses credibility as the ones that came before have done all the work to get measurable data. She should be thanking Al Gore profusely. Her comment is rude and not very informed about the industry. smh
LiberalLovinLug
(14,592 posts)Just puzzling why some here, every chance they get, want to jump on Democrats most popular reps and allies, the ones that will bring out new young Democrats.
That you must parse their words and twist them as much as you can to interpret them saying bad things. Maybe you even play their statements backwards to find Satanic messages, I don't know.
I just don't get how this kind of attitude helps us.
Merry Christmas George.
George II
(67,782 posts)....we've been seeing more and more of that from even our elected Democrats.
THAT is why people are pointing these things out.
Merry Christmas to you, sir.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)champion of the environment. 
George II
(67,782 posts)
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)of others just like Virginia Foxx and you know it. AOC and DU hero Greta Thunberg are right -- their elders have not done enough to combat climate change. Just like DU heroes David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez are right -- their elders have not done enough on gun safety.
Not buying your double-standard so backatcha, my friend!
George II
(67,782 posts).....of our newly elected Democratic members of the House and Senate, many of them young, some not so young. It's a great mix of men and women, people of all ethnic backgrounds and economic backgrounds and sexual orientations, all anxious to start being productive members of Congress.
How many of those 62 have we seen discussed here since the November election? How many have taken shots at their fellow Democrats in either house? How many have spoken about their age? How many have mentioned their ethnic background? The answer is very very few, and just about all of those that have did so in a positive manner, Sharice Davids is a perfect example. Not like they're "owed" something because of it.
Most of them are off doing their thing - studying up on how to legislate, learning the ropes, reading the rules, and meeting with their more experienced colleagues.
And there have been some great stories coming out about the preparations these new legislators are making for their upcoming careers, and how they've been bonding as freshmen members. Did you see the story about Ayanna Pressley and how she came about being assigned the same office that her hero, Shirley Chisolm, had years ago? It's a great story about her and fellow freshman Katie Hill.
When I was hired for my first job out of college as an engineer, way back in 1972 (46 years ago) I didn't start critiquing my fellow employees even before I started work there, or criticizing those who I'd be working with for who knows how long in the future. I concentrated on how to be an engineer beyond my book learning.
sheshe2
(96,271 posts)Thank you!
Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Eliot Rosewater
(34,282 posts)it better if we were able to discuss the history of how the so called far left does this, but...no
We will watch it play out everywhere.
CONDITIONAL SUPPORT will be the flavor of their day. REAL BAD for the human race, though.
GemDigger
(4,380 posts)It was a very wide brush she just used and it may not work as she had hoped.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)A lot of things are facts. She could also say “the earth is round” and that would be a fact too.
This fact is stated in context with the other statements for a fucking reason.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)FromMissouri
(95 posts)She is young and is concerned about the future.
You really have to bend over backwards to take issue with anything she said.
Why are DUers bending over backwards?
Been monitoring "Discussionist." Some of their posters seem to be here as well, intent on subversion.
There is no reason to fear progressives.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)Cha
(317,370 posts)posters are here.
People all over twitter are taking issue with what she said.. it's not just on DU.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Cha
(317,370 posts)Discussionist members are here.
I say you don't know what you're talking about.
If she and her fans don't want anyone disagreeing with her than she should leave "age" out of those tweets.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Response to Cha (Reply #337)
Eliot Rosewater This message was self-deleted by its author.
you bet. Soon as you prove you're not one of them.
Cha
(317,370 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)Go Alexandria!!
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Read the full series of tweets.
GemDigger
(4,380 posts)But.... if she has national office in her future she will need young, old and in between voters. I just wish she would chose her wording differently.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)She was simply noting that most of the older crowd will not be around in 40-50 years.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I wouldn't be getting my nose bent out of shape. What she says is true. Those issues have been around for a long time and congress has NOT addressed them. If I had seen progress being made you may have something to say, but to just get offended is not a response.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)needs to catch up I guess.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)sheshe2
(96,271 posts)You should read it all. Way to much for me to be able to copy.
Hillary’s plan will deliver on the pledge President Obama made at the Paris climate conference—without relying on climate deniers in Congress to pass new legislation. She will reduce greenhouse gas emissions by up to 30 percent in 2025 relative to 2005 levels and put the country on a path to cut emissions more than 80 percent by 2050.
As president, Hillary will:
Defend, implement, and extend smart pollution and efficiency standards, including the Clean Power Plan and standards for cars, trucks, and appliances that are already helping clean our air, save families money, and fight climate change.
Much much more here. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/
52. Let's face it, the issue she is passionate about have NOT been addressed.
I don't understand the denial of both Hilary's and Obama's contributions. Lest we forget, Al Gore as well. The only way we can advance this with the years of Republican rule is GOTV! Great to see the younger generation finding their voice, I hope they finally realize that change will not happen until they start voting in droves.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Therefore the point stands.
sheshe2
(96,271 posts)So we will deny every contribution from Gore, Obama And Clinton because they are not congress? What is your opinion about my comment that these young ones will see no change unless they start voting and voting Democratic.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)They (and aoc) were talking about what congress was doing, not presidential candidates. The tweet and post you were responding to was largely a criticism of republicans than of anybody else, since they have been in control of congress for the last 8 years.
sheshe2
(96,271 posts)She was talking about age. Period.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)The average age of Americans is not 60 and therefore congress is not representative of their constituents. Just like how most Americans are not millionaires but most of congress is, or how a majority of Americans are women and 70% of congress are not. Obviously to point these things out is not an attack on men, millionaires, or senior citizens themselves but a criticism of the misrepresentation that has long plagued our democratic institutions.
FreeState
(10,702 posts)So 60 is a lot closer than it sounds. We need young people to vote.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)I was off when I said 60. So there is almost a generational difference between the average voter and congress. But I would like to echo your sentiment 
treestar
(82,383 posts)It is supposed to be people with experience.
melman
(7,681 posts)According to..?
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)That's why there are lower age limits on Congress and President.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)All she has done is talk.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)against an established party leader and you soundly defeat him by running on the same progressive principles that AOC is espousing now, that doesn't count for anything?! Okay, I get it... who knew?!
treestar
(82,383 posts)everyone who is coming into the House just ran a successful campaign. And many others are freshmen too. You appear to claim she has actually done something whereas the other freshmen haven't. None of them have even started.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)AOC, a 28-year-old Latina, defeated a well-established Democratic leader who had been in Congress for 20 years and who was slated to possibly replace Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. Her door-to-door campaign victory was a stunning defeat that has set the tone for the authentic progressive movement that is currently sweeping the country. You may think that was no great shakes... I consider it one hell of an accomplishment!! Your pooh-poohing of that landslide upset - comparing it to just another "freshmen" victory - along with Alexandria's unique leadership qualities, is WAY more ridiculous than anything I might've said.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And she represents one district. If it is sweeping the nation, there are others. Where are they? And the person she beat in the primary is only relevant to that one district. She couldn't have done it in most districts. You are putting way more significance on her win than it can possibly deserve.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)My point was only that AOC's victory eclipsed most of the other House races and constituted a major accomplishment... I don't understand why you won't acknowledge that. But, no worries, we just disagree is all... it's coo.
womanofthehills
(10,731 posts)Good for her!! I wish more reps would speak out like she does.
trueblue2007
(19,111 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Don’t put words in her mouth.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)that are threated by her. I really wonder why sometimes.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)I'm sure played a role, but, too damn fucking bad!! It's called "democracy"... hell, our party is named after that concept for cripes sake!!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,592 posts)Merry Christmas!
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)And she has ALL the answers to ALL our problems. Everybody else should shut up and get out of her way.
I wouldn't be surprised if she makes enemies among Democrats in the House. Of course, that will be all THEIR fault. They should listen to her, dammit!
I am starting to seriously dislike her.
PCIntern
(28,026 posts)Popular music, booze, illicit drugs, and sex.
Right? I wouldn’t have learned how to dance, get drunk, get high, or get laid without them
Cha
(317,370 posts)ever better disagree with anything she says. How dare we?!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,592 posts)whenever I hear the snide back handed compliment like that, it usually means the person can't find any actual argument against the person attacked. I hear this kind of reaction more from the right.
The age difference between myself + oldest House members is ~60yrs.
For better or worse, young people will live in the world Congress leaves behind.
That’s why I focus on our future: addressing climate change & runaway income inequality, ending school-to-prison pipelines, etc.
Unless there's some factual problem with these statements?
Is there such an extreme age difference?
Will it be young people that inherit the planet and its environment?
Should AOC be focusing on the future?
Here's another question. Do you actually believe,.......really.......that AOC's purpose was to specifically attack Democratic elders in the House? And it wasn't a general comment that more needs to be done by her generation? And if there was any veiled criticism it was a general opinion on ALL politicians from that generation?
Another question, why do some on here find any excuse they can to disparage the more popular and vocal Democrats and their allies? What good does that actually do?
Cha
(317,370 posts)you accuse anything of being "snide".
It was perfectly apt description of the post in question.
Cha
(317,370 posts)melman
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Cha
(317,370 posts)Nobody ever said she was. Nobody at all. That is a straw man.
But those that continually bash her reveal much about themselves. None of it good.
Cha
(317,370 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)But hey, it's Christmas Eve. Let's look on the bright side here. Maybe some of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's most egregious bashers will become fierce defenders and pretend they never bashed her. It's been known to happen before.
Why, there was one person I recall that used to say the most terrible things about a certain politician. Really awful, hateful things.
And then they somehow became a relentless cheerleader for this very same politician. Just like that. So you never really know.
Cha
(317,370 posts)melman
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Autumn
(48,809 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 26, 2018, 10:47 AM - Edit history (1)
That how these Twitter people chose who they support? Twitter Leah would faint if she saw him with no shirt. I'm glad I'm not on Twitter. 
Link to tweet
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Autumn
(48,809 posts)is about Beto without talking about " a man holding a woman down till her calves cramp" during sex"?
melman
(7,681 posts)The tweet was totally misinterpreted and was supposed to be about toxic masculinity.
Link to tweet
Unfortunately some awful people people chose to distort it.
Link to tweet
of course that explanation is a little at odds with all this stuff here..
It's confusing. I wonder if we could get Henry to weigh in on this.
Autumn
(48,809 posts) toxic masculinity of certain candidates. 
That's the ticket! In other words I" tweeted without thinking".
Like you I eagerly await Henry to show up. Maybe he can explain how Democrats get people to the polls using sexual arousal or maybe there is another party that I don't know about.
The Aroused Party? Hell, I've never missed an election and no Democratic politician, or any politician for that matter has ever turned me on to get me to vote.
FromMissouri
(95 posts)Just as the right wing attack machine maligned Hillary for 30 years, they've seized on AOC because they fear progressives who speak their minds and know how to win. And that includes the Russian Troll Farms who post here regularly. Posts designed to create arguments where clear and sound positions are stated are suspect. No need to pay attention to them, though I haven't decided whether "ignore" is a valid option, because I want to know the enemy within. I'm one of those old guys and have been waiting to hear a politician say what she's saying for over 50 years now.
OTOH, I love the rough and tumble of the Democratic primaries, which I've worked on in various capacities for over 45 years. We fight it out when we are selecting a candidate, then we unite behind the candidate we select. Because we understand now more than ever, the alternative.
The trolls are trying to create divisions that will hold over until the general. Uh, that's not how it works. Two party system, and all that. The "green" candidate, Jill Stein, also worked for Putin. Don't forget.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)
customerserviceguy
(25,406 posts)that Faux Snooze focuses a lot on her utterances. They're delighted to have her be the face of the Democratic Party.
She should at least keep her head down, study up for the position she is in, and not suck the oxygen out of the room from whoever will be our eventual nominee.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)First an announcement that anyone over 65 would be clubbed to the ever after.
Then the skit, starting with a question for anyone with grey hair. Age checker, with clubber standing ready:Are you over 65? Really old guy,l: no bub, just a spry 25, just have old looking genes. Age checker: Ok, program this (hand him the newest type of electronic device). Old guy: takes club from beater and starts wailing on his own head.
I get upset with old people sometimes, but Alexandra seems ok with an insidious form of discrimination.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(129,453 posts)brush
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hlthe2b
(113,010 posts)So for the sake of current and all future generations, I hope they will temper their desire to "go it alone" and let the current leadership both help (and mentor) and partner with them.
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts)hlthe2b
(113,010 posts)savings, with social security and medicare decimation, and be left to die prematurely--either naturally or by their own hands (as is already being seen with rising suicide rates) .
Perhaps your kids should move just a moment from their need to find a scapegoat and realize that not all baby boomers are in the top 10%, nor are they the power brokers. Never were and never will be.
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts).
They know that many are disadvantaged, as they volunteer--as I teach them this ethic.
The Social Security decimation is part of the Baby Boomers in charge, and many of the destitute Boomers vote for those people and still support them, even though their elected officials are fucking them over. The stock market, the investments, the loss of savings is a rigged system that the Boomers are also destroying over the past 20 years. The whole "Me" generation that started in the 80s, is really destroying our social fabric.
And it's not scapegoating as my oldest is establishing herself in the job market and has the potential to make serious income. My other kids are in college or high school, and they see how screwed and debt-laden their future is because the Boomers are bonding everything and transferring wealth to the upper class.
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hlthe2b
(113,010 posts)the potential to make serious money" well, ladee da
Good gawd. Did you really express that? Uggh.
That is one BS post. I hope some of your kids look upon society as more complex than you express and perhaps can learn some empathy for others.
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts).
My kid's aren't scapegoating because you can't handle that fact that our generation is fucking them over.
You should read my post more avout volunteering, instead of being reactionary and only extracting what you want.
My daughter turned down a job for twice as much to work for government.
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hlthe2b
(113,010 posts)I'm surely not YOUR dude, either.
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts).
What's sickening is someone assuming someone is scapegoating and then ignorantly reading posts.
I guess it's my turn to be the target of an argument.
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hlthe2b
(113,010 posts)UGGH, just uggh.
That you would write that on DU and have that attitude is just beyond me, especially after my sincere posting on the rising suicide rates among hopeless elderly, who have found their savings eroded or gone and no social safety net to speak of with little hopes of an improvement.
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts).
You assume she is scapegoating, but is probably multitudes more well-rounded than your posts hint of you.
She declined working for financial firms to volunteer and help the disadvantaged. She sees what is happening at the ground level.
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hlthe2b
(113,010 posts)I had no idea from your previous posts...really. uggh
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts).
I wish I were as smart as my kids are at their ages. Sure, they don't have the benefit of many life experiences, but at the same time, they've researched things that are light years ahead of my peers, and we're not slouches. My daughter has a Masters in War Studies. A double Bachelor in History and English and she just turned 24. Since I am politically active, we have spirited discussions as dinner, and my kids are extremely savvy in the political arena. Often times, as said in Kung Fu movies, the master is now the student.
No worries. It's tough to convey things properly in simple posts that are constructed quickly.
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Igel
(37,408 posts)My mother used to laugh when they took overseas trips. "We're spending Igel's inheritance."
She was trying to annoy me. It didn't work, but she never figured out that I don't judge everything in terms of money and power. My attitude is that is was their money, to use as they see fit; if there's any left over when they died, that's fine. If not, it wasn't mine to claim until they passed away, and if there was nothing after they passed away, what's to be disappointed in?
Most of the other resources that went away--high-paying heavy industry jobs, for instance--virtue-seeking Millennials would sniff at anyway as improper and wrong.
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts).
He did just that, he took out a loan against this house and lived off of the assets he earned. I said that the nieces and nephews were old enough to manage on their own, which included me and my three siblings. Of course, the Trumpster cousin, who was the executor was pissed.
My kids don't like the ecology being destroyed, the offshoring of income to avoid US taxes by the wealthy that Koch and Disney perform. The restructuring of companies so there is no job stability anymore, of any kind. The tax perks companies get to ship jobs offshore.
But, the biggest thing is the living off of debt, that they will get stuck paying for, both in the way of the Federal deficit and the use of 30-50 year bonds to perform any kind of construction project. They are pissed that folks waited until the infrastructure is trashed, and then go out and debt-laden future generations, while they got to live for 20-30 years without paying that much.
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FromMissouri
(95 posts)No idea how to talk about it.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)new Congressional Members speak up like this Young Person is. And as we know,in Congress it is a Seniority System that rules the day. But,do like for the new members to speak out,it awakens the Old Farts who used to do the same when they first came in.
Check your history books,there were many a new member resembled AOC in many ways.
George II
(67,782 posts)....seems only one has speaking out like this before taking office. I guess the others are preparing for their new careers.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)over Coffee,to many folks come down with the Washington Virus. They believe their press clippings and forget what the voters sent there to do.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Especially from the "I am woman, hear me roar" contingent. "Women will not be silenced!," we hear, but damn, a large number of respondents in this thread want nothing more than to shut up a woman. Seriously, fascinated.
C'mon George, don't you think this was a wee bit passive-aggressive?: "I guess the others are preparing for their new careers." The attempted teardown of AOC continues...
George II
(67,782 posts)I don't doubt that people in this discussion would be saying the same things if the person bashing older members of Congress was a middle-aged white man, an older black man, a native American, an LGBT woman, etc. But they're not, those people are not tearing down fellow members of Congress. That you're insinuating that the reasons for the push back here (by others, too) are those you articulate is mind boggling.
It's not because the person is a woman, or young, or Latina. What makes you say that? Has anyone even hinted that? But remember, if she hadn't come out firing at our senior members of Congress in the first place this whole discussion would not be taking place.
So now, c'mon SMC, what say you about the "attempted teardown" of our older Democratic members of Congress - a wee bit "passive-aggressive" or just simply aggressive?
Yes, there are dozens of newly elected Democratic Representatives and Senators entering the Congress for the first time in two weeks, and almost all of them are concentrating on their jobs at hand, not repeatedly criticizing their fellow Democratic colleagues every chance they get. The fact is they're not so.
Yes indeed, truly fascinating.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)That's all this is about. There's a lot of resentment.
George II
(67,782 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)What I've read are the how-dare-she-challenge-an-incumbent?!!! posts. Lotsa bad blood, unfortunately.
George II
(67,782 posts)But I haven't read every post in this one.
womanofthehills
(10,731 posts)So it's kind of taken for granted.
George II
(67,782 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)in Congress we could get or keep to overcome the repug majority. Sitting Dem incumbents had already proven they could win against repugs so, IMO, they had the best chance to win in the general so going after fellow Dem incumbents instead of putting money and effort into going after repug incumbents was not the best strategy as even if we bumped a sitting Dem and replaced him or her with another Dem, we still would've had no gain against the repug majority.
All we would've done is replace one Dem with another while leaving the seat count of Dems v repugs the same.
That made little sense since the most important thing was winning the House to blunt the orange maniac in the White House.
womanofthehills
(10,731 posts)We need Dems who speak up!
George II
(67,782 posts)....but they speak out about what the republicans are doing to our country, not repeatedly criticizing the fellow Democratic members of the House and Senate.
Vinca
(53,437 posts)She has been singled out for character assassination because she's young and progressive and right on many of the issues. The 70 y/o farts might have been progressive at one time. Maybe. But there is lots of money around for the ones who shut up and obey. Let's hope she holds out for a long time.
Raine
(31,108 posts)it's their future more then mine and they'll be dealing with it long after I'm gone.
Squinch
(58,564 posts)
TSheehan
(277 posts)Mariana
(15,613 posts)The oldest House members are more than 60 years older than she is. That's a fact. Young people will live in the world Congress leaves behind. That's a fact, too. What exactly did she say that's so ignorant?
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Mariana
(15,613 posts)I see people making up shit to be angry about. Isn't there enough real stuff going on to be angry about?
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)implies, and in a not at all subtle way, that the older members of the House need to get out of the way.
Someone needs to pull her to the side and give her some pointers on diplomacy as she's generating way too much negative press and attention on herself. Now is a time for her to be learning the ropes, not making enemies. She's got a bright future but keeps dimming it with the shade she keeps throwing.
Just saying
George II
(67,782 posts)brush
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EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)instead of a 28-year-old Member-elect saying that older people need to move out of the way, this were an African-American Member-elect calling for white people to move out of the way to make room for people of color.
Just joking. I don't wonder at all.
brush
(61,033 posts)the scenario you described would blow this place up, and appropriately so.
But when you think about it, this isn't that far off.
FromMissouri
(95 posts)I've made the joke for years -- it's a joke -- that if we want to bury the Washington Redskins name controversy, just change the name to the Washington Blackskins. There. No problem at all.
(haven't discovered how to insert those tension-reducing emojis here yet)
brush
(61,033 posts)FromMissouri
(95 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)It's already out there that she wants to primary Hakeem Jeffries the Brooklyn congressman who sponsored the just passed crime bill into law, and she's not even sworn in yet.
Her green new deal initiative has been assigned to someone else (https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2018/12/220126/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal-house-democrats-committee). Wonder if stepping on toes had something to do with that?
Someone needs to advise her. Is it ok with you if someone does some womansplaining to her?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)based upon her short, but powerful, record of achievement. Indeed, if Rep. Crowley only had someone like Alexandria to mentor HIM - after 20 years in Congress and in line for a leadership position - like you're calling for in her case, Crowley might've anticipated the tidal wave of voters that overturned his seat and might've been able to hold onto it. His having not gotten that mentoring advice and, thus, failing to see that wave offshore, heading for the beach, AOC is clearly the future now... we might as well start embracing it, AND HER, rather than constantly criticizing this wonderful person.
betsuni
(28,807 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)members of Congress than the other way around.
TSheehan
(277 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)Autumn
(48,809 posts) This is telling
This was not about the younger generation that has yet to be sworn in an awesome blue wave. It is just about 'ME'.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)That's what struck me most about her statement. She seems to be all about ME ME ME. Maybe someone will take her aside and mentor her. Maybe she'll listen. But so far, that doesn't look likely. She comes across as someone who thinks she knows everything better than anyone else, and even a good mentor won't stand for that for very long.
sheshe2
(96,271 posts)We have a huge blue wave of talent that came in on a blue wave that are doing their jobs quietly. I have faith in their leadership. They have my respect,
womanofthehills
(10,731 posts)I want to hear from them.
Tarc
(10,597 posts)Every DU topic about here seems to quickly hit the 200-300 mark.
Squinch
(58,564 posts)Tarc
(10,597 posts)How's that, sport?
Squinch
(58,564 posts)candidates.
Those Russian trolls sure know what they're doing when they invent nonsense terms like "establishment corporatist" and and feed them to people, don't they? When people fall for it, they sure fall hard. Hard enough to be divisive pawns without even knowing they're doing it!
That's talent!
Sport.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)
Takket
(23,510 posts)And on another note........... should we ask the mods for an AOC forum since everything she says and does now generates a thread?
GreenPartyVoter
(73,377 posts)corporations have been making terrible policy for decades and undoing good policies whenever possible. I doubt many of them lie awake at night wondering what kind of world they are leaving for future generations.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)
progressoid
(52,672 posts) SMC22307
(8,090 posts)And I say that as someone pushin' 60. Hopefully AOC will get younger folks engaged in public service and politics.
Mariana
(15,613 posts)And as you noticed, she didn't say anything derogatory about the older Representatives. I think the people who are bothered by this are working really hard to be offended.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)"old, white men" in Congress and their damaging legacy. Can't have it both ways, DU.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)I'm so confused! 
jalan48
(14,914 posts) SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Congress has not done enough to fight climate change. Hell, Al Gore's been bangin' on about this for how long? The vile Virginia Foxx of North Carolina will be long gone, but AOC and Greta Thunberg will be around to feel the effects.
Autumn
(48,809 posts)jalan48
(14,914 posts)crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)She's in a party that has an increasingly younger base (how many 18 yo kids are registering as Republicans) and she's using this to engage her base.
In this decade, what has Congress done on some of the issues that disproportionally affect young people?
Guns? (Keep in mind the tragedies this decade)
Climate Change?
College costs/student loans?
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)for calling out their elders over gun safety (or lack thereof). AOC is calling out her elders over climate change. What's the difference? I'm not sure who else besides Bernie Sanders is bangin' the drum over college costs and student loans... it's impossible to keep up with it all and I'm not seeing many DU posts on the subject. (They could be out there, I've just missed them.)
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)That notion is heartily embraced 'round here but for AOC who better shut up and mind her elders! LOL
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....and there are several others along with several MOC and many others (40 total) who are entering Congress for the first time (see below, I wish the Democrats were on the top of this photograph). I don't recall seeing any of them criticizing their fellow Democrats since they either won their primaries or their general elections.
badhair77
(5,092 posts)We want their worlds to be better, be it education, the environment, global security, etc. While we encourage youthful enthusiasm and energy, there is something to be said for a depth of experience. I hope all voices can work together and fight for a brighter future.
Mariana
(15,613 posts)And most voted for Republican in 2018. So, while the older people here on DU undoubtedly feel as you do, the idea that "most" older people "would sacrifice everything" for their children and grandchildren is simply false.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/11/10/these-5-charts-explain-who-voted-how-in-the-2018-midterm-election/?utm_term=.cf4ec257c305
treestar
(82,383 posts)problem. So one couldn't say they don't care about their descendants. They just don't see the problem. Not that they are profoundly stupid for going along with the idea that there is no problem with man-made climate chance.
Mariana
(15,613 posts)Those older Republican voters know about at least some of them, and they don't give a fuck as long as it isn't hurting them.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Mariana
(15,613 posts)Are they really any more worthy of scorn than the majority of older, wiser voters who gleefully cast their ballots for the likes of Trump?
It's a real shame Democrats are forced to depend upon the young people to outvote all those older, wiser people who mostly vote Republican. It would be so much better if the majority of the older, wiser people did the right thing in the first place, instead of trying to fuck everyone over except themselves.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)
Sunriser13
(612 posts)18 to 39 = 21 years
40 to 49 = 9 years
50 to 64 = 14 years
65+ = ?
Additionally, 2018's figures here are projections. The figures are validated up until 2016.
Just as many other polls, it looks great to prove a certain agenda - until one breaks it down. I'm not criticizing you personally, Mariana, but this poll doesn't do anything to accurately prove your point.
As far as AOC is concerned, I've been as excited as anyone to see the eclectic bunch of new folks getting a chance, but she is most certainly not respecting the value of experience. What she and a few others did to Nancy Pelosi was absolutely uncalled for at a time when we most need her knowledge and professionalism under fire. Somehow I don't think she would have comported herself in the simple and elegant way Nancy did in the Oval Office with Trump. I picture the same scenario with AOC as more of a screaming match - then who would have been the one accused of having a temper tantrum?
She needs to back the hell up and learn something about how things work and how to graciously get a point across. Now is the time to find her way around and start building alliances for the future, if she is to have a future. Alienating not only prospective colleagues but prospective voters is definitely not the way to begin a successful career.
murielm99
(32,745 posts)have not addressed those issues?
Or is she just running her mouth?
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)get off your lawn when you shout and shake your fist like that.
murielm99
(32,745 posts)or do you have nothing but empty sarcasm?
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Cha
(317,370 posts)instead of debating the OP. Can you answer her question, then?
brush
(61,033 posts)She also needs to learn to add the word Republican to her shade throwing. She's been criticized enough for going after other Democrats.
Time to get smarter.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Mariana
(15,613 posts)are more than 60 years older than she is. She didn't say anything else about them at all.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)as a hero for calling out (older) politicians on climate change. But when 29-year-old AOC does it, oh, no, no. The two are a mere 14 years apart and will be left with the world created by their seniors. Such a double-standard.
Autumn
(48,809 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)It's ridiculous.
dae
(3,396 posts)
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)taking their elders to task over gun control, but AOC is raked over the coals when taking her elders to task over climate change. Such poutrage… it's a laugh.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....with their grandchildren or great grandchildren.
That's a rather cold view toward her soon to be colleagues.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)Nice try, though.
George II
(67,782 posts)PS, with that tweet she insulted more than 1/3 of the people of the 14th District, most of whom are voters.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)She never said there was anything wrong with people that are 60 years older than her.
Do you not agree that Congress is WAY more white, male, and old than the general population of the US?
George II
(67,782 posts)But for the record, the average age of the current Democrats members of Congress is 61 years old.
Mariana
(15,613 posts)Especially when they're bound and determined to be offended.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)but there are those here that never cease to amaze me.
Mariana
(15,613 posts)They're putting a lot of effort into it.
Someone downthread asked if she ever shuts up, and used that phrase. "But does she ever shut up ... ?"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11584329
womanofthehills
(10,731 posts)to prevent climate change, make sure everyone has health care, etc. Shit, people in Cuba all have free health care and free college but we can't figure out anyway to do it here in the USA.
George II
(67,782 posts) Autumn
(48,809 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Al Gore's been bangin' on about this for how long now? AOC is right, as is Greta Thunberg: Their elders have not paid enough attention to the dire issue of climate change.
murielm99
(32,745 posts)a wide span of ages in the House.
Why is an untested young woman who has not yet worked one day in Congress suddenly a source of truth and wisdom? The whole thing is silly.
womanofthehills
(10,731 posts)it is not silly - it's our planet and our lives.
murielm99
(32,745 posts)If you don't know that, you have not been paying attention.
And ageism is wrong. She needs to be told that.
treestar
(82,383 posts)age, but because they are Republicans. She would be better served to attack Republicans on this. And with them, it is not their age, but their denial of climate change.
FromMissouri
(95 posts)They have not successfully addressed those issues.
murielm99
(32,745 posts)I don't see any references to issues.
Tom Rinaldo
(23,179 posts)There are good reasons behind concepts like "a jury of one's peers" and "representative democracy". We care about the balance between male and female members of Congress. We care about wanting a Congress that looks more like America when it comes to race. We care about whether a majority of Congress members come from the upper middle class and above. We should care about age diversity also, because every group brings a differing perspective to the table.
I have been longing for the day when folks much younger than me seize the issue of climate change as an issue with the urgency of war and peace. The Vietnam war protests were fueled in major part by the fact that the cost of war fell heaviest on the young. The cost of climate change also will fall heaviest on the currently young.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Cha
(317,370 posts)
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Cha
(317,370 posts)Great response. Does AOC really think that Nancy Pelosi doesn't care? How about Elizabeth Warren? Bernie Sanders? Do they not care about the future?
Cha
(317,370 posts)thing for her to tweet. Surely it's possible to show how "passionate" she is about our Climate without talking about "60 year age gap"?
I don't think it's the first time she's talked about age, either.
mcar
mcar
(45,739 posts)She fortunately has many older, experienced, Democrats to help. I think they'd be glad to do it.
Cha! How's life in HI?
Cha
(317,370 posts)beat on that and he's no spring rooster.
It's better now that Nancy helped lead us to a BLUE WAVE Victory in the HOUSE!
How's it in your neck of the woods?
mcar
(45,739 posts)A nice break from our usual 80 degree Christmases.
Cha
(317,370 posts)Warm for a few hours and then nice and cool at night.
mcar
(45,739 posts)Youngest son is a performer in the Christmas parade and got us in. 65 degrees, crystal clear sky. Beautiful.
We did the same 4 years ago and it was 85 and unbearable.
Cha
(317,370 posts)neat! What a way to celebrate the holidays.
And appreciate the gift of weather!
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)He's done a lot of work on climate change since, but we need people IN office to do the same. HOpefully she's going to.
R B Garr
(17,951 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)When I was her age I, too, noticed that everyone older than me was pretty clueless and not nearly as wise or intelligent as I was. And like her, I thought things would be better if they got out of the way and let me and my generation handle everything.
But funny thing. As the years went on, they somehow started learning lots of stuff and getting smarter and smarter to the point that now, they've caught up to me and seem to have a good grasp on a whole lot of things that they didn't know 30 years ago
Whenever I see comments like this, I remember my grandmother,'s reaction when I insisted that I knew so much more than she did about pretty much everything: She simply smiled and said, "Just keep living, Babyp ..."
George II
(67,782 posts)....older people, comparing them to leaves on a tree.
We love them when they're young buds, and then enjoy them throughout their lives when they're beautifully green, but once they turn brown, wither, and fall off the tree, all we want to do is rake them up and toss them in the trash.
Sad commentary on society's treatment of the wisest and most experienced members of our society.
George II
(67,782 posts) UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)
pwb
(12,480 posts)My younger children have much better ideas about how to change things than i do. They push me to be modern and i end up liking it.
MineralMan
(150,716 posts)Learn from your experienced colleagues. They have seen everything during their careers. Enlist their help with your projects. Their experience can help you be successful with them. Watch them navigate the maze of House rules, so you can be more effective. Remember that you have only one vote, just like all of your colleagues. Work with, not against, your fellow Democrats.
Mariana
(15,613 posts)She just mentioned the age difference between herself and the oldest members.
melman
(7,681 posts)They are just pretending they don't as another excuse to attack.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)Sometimes the gymnastics are mildly amusing. Mostly not. Meanwhile we have a political party in power that is overtly anti-democratic, headed by a president who is working right out of the 21st century fascist playbook. What the everloving fork.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)I mean she goes from that on to the subject of the interests of the young.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)of decisions made by the old/older. It's not that difficult a concept to grasp. It's the same thing Greta Thunberg has been saying and she is cheered by DU.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I have not heard of Greta before. But that is a significant age difference, between child and adult and member of Congress. What you say as a member of Congress will be different.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)AOC and Greta will be living in a world left by their elders. Young people don't feel those in power have done enough to fight climate change. They're not wrong.
Congressional old white men are slammed all the time. Maybe it's not so much the old but the white? It's very confusing trying to keep up.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The problem is not age. It is Republicans. Young Republicans are just as unreasonable. And the features of the system that allow the conservatives to have more influence proportionately.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)That's forty years ago. It's crisis stage, and young people know it. AOC. Greta. Thousands of Australian school kids skipping school to protest. Etc. Their elders have failed them and they're not being quiet about it. I applaud them.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)"young people will live in the world Congress leaves behind." You'll be gone, as will I, but she, and 15-year-old Greta Thunberg, will be left with that world.
JI7
(93,290 posts)
MrsCoffee
(5,825 posts)And the message along with that should be: And that's why I am a member of the Democratic Party.
Not some insinuation that older House members aren't interested in the same things. Older Republican House members are a threat to the future, not older Democrats.
JI7
(93,290 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,825 posts)Not exactly a beacon of hope for the future.
I for one appreciate our more experienced members of the house.
sheshe2
(96,271 posts)34. Yeah, I have a few choice opinions about him.
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Not exactly a beacon of hope for the future.
The ad about throwing grannies over the cliff.
With ya MrsCoffee.
JI7
(93,290 posts)
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)She really should be quiet for a while.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)Really? Any other women and/or people of color in our party you have that advice for?
Hekate
(100,132 posts)...is that she is recommending throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
People like John Lewis, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, and many more have made us the party of civil rights, women's rights, health care rights, reproductive rights, the environment, and so much more.
Bye-bye old Dem politicians. You have nothing to teach Alexandria and she doesn't need your help or your votes. You are the ash heap of history. Al Gore and Jerry Brown on the environment? Pfft. What do they know? What have they done lately?
AOC would make a lot more progress and win a lot more friends if she would stop threatening to primary Dems and focus on getting us a permanent Democratic majority in the House and Senate. Get those kids off my lawn and into a voting booth in the midterms. It was the GOP that swore to oppose every single thing Obama attempted, and it was Democrats who stayed home during the midterms and made sure the GOP could do just that. Plus -- and I will not forgive or forget -- it was "the left" on this board who kept up a daily drumbeat announcing that Obama had betrayed every constituency and failed us all.
Autumn
(48,809 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)as she's already got the reputation of going after other Democrats.
She needs a mentor to help her with diplomacy and learning from more experienced colleagues.
Autumn
(48,809 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)She definitely needs a mentor to help repair her reputation for wanting to primary other Democrats. If she doesn't work to dispel that she won't be able to get anyone to help her move forward with her initiatives.
To get things done in Congress you need allies.
Celerity
(53,856 posts)As far as I remember, the rest of the Democrats she supported in the primaries were running for open or Republican held seats.
In Kansas-03, in a Republican-held district (Yoder was a Republican incumbent) she campaign for Welder, but he lost to Davids, who campaigned as a progressive too. Within weeks of winning in the general, 'progressive' Davids joined up with the Blue Dog-type New Democrat Coalition (the same centrist, bi-partisan-leaning group that has common cause with No Labels/Problems Solvers and also has many of the anti-Pelosi people, as well as being pro-Wall Street (they helped gut parts of Dodd-Frank this year) as well as being pro-big pharma, etc.
AOC backed James Thompson in Kansas-04. That was a Republican-held seat. Thompson won the primary, but lost to Estes, the Repug.
In the Michigan governor race, she campaigned for El-Sayed against Whitmer, in an open race. Whitmer won. (Snyder the Rethug couldn't run for re-election due to term limits).
Finally, she campaigned for Rashida Tlaib, who ran to fill John Conyers old seat. Tlaib won the general election primary and then the seat in November.
So 'all the incumbent Dems she went after during the primaries' that you stated was a gross exaggeration. Unless you have some list of people I am forgetting.
Hekate
(100,132 posts)That young lady is not making friends.
George II
(67,782 posts)sheshe2
(96,271 posts)Brava, Bella!
Hekate
40. She is including her fellow Democrats in this screed? The kindest thing I can say about her attitude
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...is that she is recommending throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
People like John Lewis, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, and many more have made us the party of civil rights, women's rights, health care rights, reproductive rights, the environment, and so much more.
Bye-bye old Dem politicians. You have nothing to teach Alexandria and she doesn't need your help or your votes. You are the ash heap of history. Al Gore and Jerry Brown on the environment? Pfft. What do they know? What have they done lately?
Word!
Tommy_Carcetti
(44,428 posts)Sorry, this wasn’t intended to be a comment on AOC, good or bad.
The thread title just reminded me of it, that’s all.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)As a 70 year old who has fought for equality and benefits for everyone my entire life I sincerely welcome Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez into my and her future. I hope she appreciates the amazing benefits of lifelong experience which you can only get by living it.
pnwmom
(110,205 posts)mcar
(45,739 posts)how dare she say something! anything!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)And you don't knock out a seasoned politician by being "not good."
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...or great grandchildren that they might care about?
Sheesh!!!
Mariana
(15,613 posts)Let's not pretend that all of them care about their children etc. Plenty of them do not.
George II
(67,782 posts)163 Democrats are over 50 (84% of all Democrats)
117 Democrats are over 60 (60% of all Democrats)
57 Democrats are over 70 (29% of all Democrats)
That's a lot of "old" Democrats who presumably don't care about their younger family members?
Mariana
(15,613 posts)My post said nothing whatsoever about Democrats. It was not about "tossing them out" or anything else about them.
George II
(67,782 posts)We all know how republicans feel, we can't do anything about that regardless of how much someone insults or browbeats them. We should concentrate on our Democrats, they're the ones on whom we have an influence AND will have the majority in less than two weeks.
Putting them down and implying that they don't care isn't going to win any friends or allies and isn't going to get the job done that we all want done.
WillowTree
(5,348 posts)Cha
(317,370 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)It’s nice to see she is taking up the cause Pelosi has been fighting for. Is that the connection? Leadership recognition?
BarbD
(1,379 posts)I love her passion and enthusiasm. I'm 81, and am keenly aware of the failures of my generation. I am also aware of how we all must use our talents and abilities for the greater good. It should be obvious to the older and wiser that we need the young for their energy, hope and optimism.
Cha
(317,370 posts)political board. We don't need anyone telling us "to get a grip".
Thank you.
BarbD
(1,379 posts)Guess I've got thicker skin.
Cha
(317,370 posts)I'm telling you we are having a discussion.
BarbD
(1,379 posts)My apologies.
Cha
(317,370 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)TJKatd
(73 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 24, 2018, 04:55 PM - Edit history (2)
she's going to be the "face" and "voice" of the Democratic Party...for better or worse. She's on the right side of a lot of issues, but dang, her tv interviews make me cringe! While I'm sure she can mix a great cocktail from her last job (by no means a detriment), she's displayed a bit of unfamiliarity and unsophistication you wouldnt expect from a congressman on some major issues. From the comments, I'm not the only one who's figured out. Still, there's a lot to like about her. I hope one of the good congressmen are taking her under their wing and mentoring her.
From her tweet, I surmise she thinks we need more age diversiity in Congress. I totally agree.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)There's no such thing as the "Democrat" party.
TJKatd
(73 posts)I should have known better. Things like that annoy the hell out me, too! I'll blame it on my Sunday evening Tanqueray& tonic! Haha
redstatebluegirl
(12,767 posts)younger people take my place knocking on doors, making calls, preparing mailings. You do not need or want this old woman's help right. I am beginning to feel like this party and it's purity tests is not the party I have loved and labored for these past 45 years.
Good luck AOC.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Democrats don't even need Republicans anymore, we divide and conquer ourselves.
"We have met the enemy and he is us" Walt Kelly
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)she's basically being told to sit down and shut up!! Well, she's not gonna take it and will continue to speak her mind... go Alexandria!!
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Stargazer09
(2,204 posts)I respect her enthusiasm, but she isn’t helping our country by denigrating her fellow Democrats.
Regardless of age, we need to be united.
Being older doesn’t mean we are no longer important. Or that we don’t care.
Mariana
(15,613 posts)Cha
(317,370 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)I see he has 657 followers. Obviously a big mover and shaker on twitter.
Cha
(317,370 posts)how many followers Henry has?
So Henry is nobody. That's what I thought.
Cha
(317,370 posts)Autumn
(48,809 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Apparently.
Cha
(317,370 posts)I posted from the thread. You're welcome to go and see all the pushback she's getting. Some aren't very nice so I didn't post those.
Here's another one.. you gonna try and tear down Maria Hernandez now with your "nobody" attacks?
Link to tweet
Funny. I don't think I'm the one doing the 'tearing down' here.
Cha
(317,370 posts)as much right to voice his opinion as you do.
melman
(7,681 posts)I was just wondering who he was. Didn't get an answer though.
I also wonder why some are so eager to find and post negative commentary on this Democratic Rep.
But I don't expect any answers on that either. Not that I really need one. That's pretty easy to figure out.
Cha
(317,370 posts)he's somebody who has a valid opinion.
Autumn
(48,809 posts)comprehension problem. AOC is staying true to her beliefs in diversity, inclusion, equity, pluralism and climate change. AOC understands the urgency of climate change and will stay true to that also.
Cha
(317,370 posts)she's seeing. Just because she doesn't think like you do you're insulting her.
Autumn
(48,809 posts)AOC is true to her beliefs.
If Maria got all that crap she tweet lectured AOC about out of those facts she has a reading comprehension problem. Not a fucking thing in AOC's tweet was a slam against anyone. Pure facts.
Maybe Maria from twitter should attempt to understand the urgency of climate change like AOC does before she lectures her.
Cha
(317,370 posts)your insulting her and Henry because they don't think like you do says more about you than them.
Link to tweet
Autumn
(48,809 posts)
Thanks for amplifying the basic truths pointed out by AOC that future generations will inherit our successes and failures on the climate issue. It's a shame and a simple fact that there are not many successes to point to. Rather than condescension and blame, we should all stand up and support the proposal for a Green New Deal. AOC's presence in Congress will give climate legislation a fighting chance, and hopefully, a Democratic win in 2020 will get the legislation passed.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Virginia Foxx or Jim Sensenbrenner.
They know AOC is right. LOL God, I love this.
Autumn
(48,809 posts)name out of thin air in a pathetic attempt to smear AOC.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)What's happened to this site?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)Cha
(317,370 posts)isn't working.
Autumn
(48,809 posts)out of his..thin air isn't a message, it's pathetic bullshit.
Henry
@Fdr1942
I think @NancyPelosi cares as much about my future as you do and she has a lifetime of wisdom
Older doesn't mean self-interested or uncaring.
I welcome voices of all ages as long as they care about this country and its people and conduct themselves with empathy and deliberation
The only message he has is that he likes to put words in someone mouth and accuse them of talking about someone they said nothing about. AOC in no way referenced Nancy Pelosi
I love it when Twitters like Henry get all puffed up with self importance. They remind me of Trump. Cha
(317,370 posts)exactly does that make you?
Autumn
(48,809 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Autumn
(48,809 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)I'm just wondering what kind of big-time, highly influential somebody YOU are that makes you feel so entitled to denigrate a "nobody" online
Autumn
(48,809 posts)Congresswoman on Twitter. I never said anything about his twitter followers. So is Henry a kind of big-time, highly influential somebody who tweets under a fake name? ?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Poster: "Who's Henry? "I see he has 657 followers. Obviously a big mover and shaker on twitter.
YOUR Response: "A nobody who thinks AOC is being mean to Nancy Pelosi!!!"
Autumn
(48,809 posts) Is that better? Autumn
(48,809 posts)Who knows. 
What I do know is AOC in no way talked about Nancy's age like he suggested.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Autumn
(48,809 posts)waste a minute of my life whining that Henry disagrees with me 
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Autumn
(48,809 posts)smearing a Democratic Congresswoman is not whining. Both are opinions.
whine
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verb
gerund or present participle: whining
give or make a long, high-pitched complaining cry or sound.
"the dog whined and scratched at the back door"
complain in a feeble or petulant way.
"the waitress whined about the increased work"
synonyms: complaint [noun], complain [verb], grouse, grumble, murmur;
state
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1.
express something definitely or clearly in speech or writing.
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)No, it doesn't ...
So who's Henry?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)But I'm not so arrogant to assume that everyone I don't know is a nobody and I'm certainly not obnoxious enough to call them that.
That's terrific.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)but very entertaining, still, we can't figure out who is being serious.
melman
(7,681 posts)or what the point of sharing his opinions with us is supposed to be.
Someone's twitter feed showed them something they totally agree with? Amazing. It's almost as if that's exactly how twitter works.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)Silent thread for Henry?
womanofthehills
(10,731 posts)Here's Henry. https://twitter.com/Fdr1942
Looks like the mystery man mostly retweets and rarely posts.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,396 posts) Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Whut up with that? Perhaps deep-down you know AOC is right -- those in power have not done enough on climate change. And those in power tend to be much older and won't be around to see the effects.
Stargazer09
(2,204 posts)But she’s always fixated on her age compared to others.
I do NOT believe she’s right.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)and Congress is FULL of vile Republicans like her.
Funny how DU is all for young folks like David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez when it comes to gun control and elders not doing their part, but when AOC mentions elders not doing their part on climate change, all hell breaks loose. Meh, it's so transparent.
womanofthehills
(10,731 posts)So you think she should have no preferences.
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)including subjects like climate change, better wages for the working class and middle class, cheaper college, and healthcare for all.
Hillary Clinton was trying to get National Healthcare when AOC had not yet started elementary school. A lot of things young people want are the same things FDR was working for. The Democrats are not the problem, and they never have been.
Cha
(317,370 posts)
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)It is getting better in terms of younger representation, all generations should have their voices. Congress should not be 50% boomers unless the country is (which it is not).
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)We now screwing up you lives.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)Here's a Wiki that lists their birth years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freshman_class_members_of_the_116th_United_States_Congress.
The 80s babies (just freshmen)
Katie Hill (CA-25)
Lauren Underwood (IL-14)
Abby Finkenauer (IA-01)
Sharice Davids (KS-03)
Jared Golden (ME-02)
Haley Stevens (MI-11)
Chris Pappas (NH-01)
Andy Kim (NJ-03)
Xochitl Torres Small (NM-02)
Max Rose (NY-11)
Alexandria Ocasio Cortez (NY-14)
Anthony Gonzalez (OH-16-- GOP)
Guy Reschenthaler (PA-14----GOP)
Joe Cunningham (SC-01)
William Timmons (SC-04--- GOP)
Dan Crenshaw (TX-02-- GOP)
Lance Gooden (TX-05-- GOP)
Colin Allred (TX-32)
Bryan Steil (WI-01-- GOP)
Mike San Nicholas (Guam-- non voting member)
Current members of congress born in the 80s
Eric Stalwell (CA-15)
Matt Gaets (FL-01--GOP)
Brian Mast (FL-18-- GOP)
Carlos Curbelo (FL-26 GOP)
Tulsi Gabbard (HI-02)
Joe Kennedy (MA-04)
Justin Amash (MI-03 GOP)
Jason Smith (MO-08 GOP)
Ruben Kihuen (NV-04)
Lee Zeldin (NY-01-- GOP)
Elise Stefinak (NY-21 GOP)
Conor Lamb (PA-18)
Prediction-- we get a 90s baby in 2020.
Another prediction-- David Hogg (b 2000) will be the first 21st century baby in Congress.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Send how do you propose we impose the "Congresspersons' race must represent the demographics of the country" quota?
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)But if there's a large lack of representation then it does not reflect the country. This is why there are VRA districts and also why someone like AOC was able to win the primary in the first place (out of touch older white man representing a younger majority minority district). We don't have VRA districts that cover age.
It is the same as a jury of your peers. If a young black woman faces a jury of 12 old white men, then the outcome is probably not going to be fair. This would not be a jury of her peers.
For the current Congress, they are on average 20 years older than their constituents. To me, it means that their values don't necessarily allign. They also could be (and often are) out of touch on the current issues that young people face (see 40s baby Virginia Foxx talk about the cost of college and student loans for an example)
https://www.quorum.us/data-driven-insights/the-115th-congress-is-among-the-oldest-in-history/175/
I'm a 1980 baby. My congressman was elected in 1980 (in his 20s). If I ever ran against him (not happening), my message would be "I've grown up since 1980, shouldn't Congress?"
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Great
TexasTowelie
(125,883 posts)
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts) LBM20
(1,580 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Other than what not to do, I suppose.
LOL She ousted a seasoned politician... girl's got nuthin' but focus.
delisen
(7,257 posts)playing field for women. Those now older people made it possible for more women to be elected to Congress today, -even though those older people were unlikely to benefit themselves.
It is great for younger people to exploit the opportunities made possible by those who sacrificed before them-but erasing those contributions -as often done- gives a false cultural narrative about how change and progress happen.
Too many people got taken in by Russian propaganda --lots of them were young voters
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)income inequality, prison pipeline, etc.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)delisen
(7,257 posts)and age differences.
If you don't understand my post and how it relates to the top, I will be glad to help you. All you need to do is ask politely.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)you'll see that AOC was being rather philosophical about youth and elders. The OP was rather manipulative and got the desired reaction. Well done.
fescuerescue
(4,475 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)DU and social media users were calling for their heads. Are they suddenly allies on climate change, income inequality, and school-to-prison pipelines? (Sanders aside, of course. And every "old" Democrat fighting the good fight.)
KayF
(1,345 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)She's good.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,863 posts)This thread has gone exactly as one might expect.
betsuni
(28,807 posts)Mike Nelson
(10,933 posts)… when she won, I was thrilled. I still like her... but that message is not good... She focuses on environmental issues because she's young? Old people can't know what's important? We have to be her age to change things? Old people want to leave a bad word behind because they're old?
Older people have lives, too, and want the Earth to be great place to live for children and children's children...
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Chuck Grassley, Don Young, etc. - champions of the environment and embracers of man-made climate change. AOC is right to call them to task.
Tech
(1,946 posts)I admire her, but have concerns. She seems to text much as Trump does, getting a rise out of people, but dividing us. Whether intentional or not. I don't like focusing on her errors as in my 60 years i have made many mistakes. I have also done some things right.
What we do not have time for is divisiveness. The country is in rough shape. We are so tired. Discourse can be healthy, and I am glad I found this site. But please, can we keep it healthy.
I will admit after all our years of progressive voting, making strides in so many areas, I am so upset with republicans and all involved - the mega rich, the Bush legacy, the federalists, the bigots, racists, misogynists, xenaphobes - and yes I am lumping all of them as anti american. They have undone so much that we accomplished. She seems to be fighting all of the corruption.
I hope she is just excited, and will realize that she needs to think before she sends. But if she continues to irritate myself and others then I will have to wonder about her goals.
I was lucky to have many mentors throughout my life. My biggest one now is my 7 year old grandson. I love my 28 year old daughter, and am so proud of her. But when I think of the future it is my young innocent smart sassy loving trusting grandson that I use as my inspiration. And I remember how I knew it all at her age.
I will give her a chance but will be cautious. We need to let the young make mistakes, but we also need to call them on it. If she is smart she will learn. If she doesn't learn she will be gone.
And yes, many of of my friends, or at this point used to be friends as I am one that has washed her hands of those who continued to back Trump, are republicans. But I am pretty sure that those republicans are not on this site.
So can we please pull together and save this country. And stop bickering, accusing, fighting. Sorry if I sound preachy, but I am so tired of it all.
Cha
(317,370 posts)pnwmom
(110,205 posts)Age isn't what matters.
Autumn
(48,809 posts)But no one seems to care about the endless wars of choice because they go on and continue creating more humanitarian crises and create more terrorists.
What the fuck are you doing? Other than Face booking your life on twitter and making a mild political comment occasionally? I scrolled though your twitter Becky, nothing is posted about what YOU are doing about any of these thing that young people are concerned about. I guess you did it all when you were young and are too busy now but your occasional retweet about what other people are doing is great.
AOC ran for office and won, she's doing something about it Becky. How about we older people not degenerate her for what she's focusing on and getting young people involved in these looming problems while some of us older people ponder on past victories. Maybe if she wants to focus on some cool cat pics and get your secret to growing beautiful roses she will get in contact with you. You have my deepest sympathies on your granddaughter's cat Luna passing.
The fear of something like that happening is why I never allow my cats outside. jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Autumn
(48,809 posts)about what a Democratic Congresswoman says to in an attempt to make it looks bad. AOC never singled out Pelosi but Tweeter Henry brought her into it. And Becky ? You read my post. The Vietnam War and the McCarthy era were from the past. There is still a lot more to be done about civil rights and reproductive rights are still under attack daily. Climate change crises is here and it will be devastating and deadly. Complaining about a person who is pushing that issue front and center while tweeting their life events and pics of horses, cats, their roses and retweeting the occasional political tweet is what I call resting on their past actions.
A pet peeve of mine is people who let their cats run around outside. I really don't see why people think it's fine to let their cats outside to be torn apart by other animals.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Their cats could also be going after the mice.
Autumn
(48,809 posts)On a farm there are a lot of places where a barn cat can get to safety quickly. Her grand daughter's cat Luna seemed to like curling up under a blankie on a chair. Strictly my opinion, based on what I read.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Autumn
(48,809 posts)
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)She seems more and more to not be a woman of substance. I will continue to harbor hope but it wanes.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Someday when she is older and wiser she will then understand.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)I think she *understands* quite well. And based on the number of replies attacking her and telling her to shut up, everyone knows she *understands* quite well.
Tarc
(10,597 posts)
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)and lack of experience. Nice try with the misogyny; could be more original!
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)what AOC said is fine by me. Climate change is a big issue and will be from now on. Congress has done little in that regard. I see that we continue eating our own. Merry Christmas DU!
Cha
(317,370 posts)
awesomerwb1
(5,012 posts)when she hasn't even been sworn in yet. Hope she doesn't become another cancerous loud mouth like a few of the Bernie followers whose mantra appears to be "if we don't win we all should lose".
VOX
(22,976 posts)What a lovely gift of ageism for Christmas.
Saying that the future (and all potential change for a greater good) belongs to youngsters is hardly a courageous or visionary statement. It gets a big mention at every June commencement ceremony at every college and university in the country.
But today’s young people are also the future’s old people, and be warned, the conveyer belt to seniorhood is forever running fast.
Separating people and lumping them into stereotypes is a sad and dangerous act: this group is lazy, that group doesn’t have much intelligence, and old people? Oh, they are useless, behind the times, and in the way.
While I appreciate the zeal, energy and motivation of youth, they would do well to learn a bit from those who possess the institutional knowledge, those who’ve put in the sweat and toil, those who know where the potholes are. You know, OLD PEOPLE.
Not everyone morphs into a jerkwad Republican fossil. Not everyone sells out.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,510 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)A "bigger leadership role"? What leadership role does she have now, realizing of course that none of the 62 NEW Democratic members will be seated until a week from tomorrow (Thursday, January 3)?
Do you have anything specific?
betsuni
(28,807 posts)
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)womanofthehills
(10,731 posts)Love her passion!!
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)
radical noodle
(10,495 posts)as though it's a bad thing. Every younger generation has been faced with older people who have been in the positions they're beginning to occupy. She may not have meant it that way, but it sure comes across that way. I remember how my generation always thought we knew everything, just as this young group does now. We didn't and they don't either.
NoMoreRepugs
(11,838 posts)Democratic Representatives have. I appreciate her focus on the future, but I'm pretty sure most of our older Democratic Representatives haven't been focused on the past during their tenure. Just my opinion.
betsuni
(28,807 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)lover her...
Doing her job getting right wingers in a tizzzy...
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Going around pissing off political opponents just to "get them in a tizzy" is the kind of stuff Trump and his cultists are into and, while it might make some angrier followers feel good (temporarily), it doesn't provide much of a basis for any serious, meaningful change.
I think she already knows that. Hopefully, she can help her more enthusiastic fans understand that, too.
Autumn
(48,809 posts)I'm curious as to what she did to help her campaign. Like I said I had health issues and may have missed what Nancy did.
I really admire these two women and am grateful they are on my side.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)As much sh!t as you've been talking in this thread, one would think you had a clue about politics and would surely know the answer to the question you keep asking. If you don't, it's not up to me to do your research.
Or you could just ask AOC. I'm sure she's well aware of what Nancy Pelosi has done for her.
But don't expect me to jump into your rabbit hole ...
Autumn
(48,809 posts)Thanks for the answer. I guess we are done here.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)sidenote; AOC is great at exposing right wing angst..
Autumn
(48,809 posts)But even setting aside the fact that that goes both ways and they also owe a lot to Nancy Pelosi who made their victories possible (and who would have certainly been blamed if they'd lost), that's still not a "peace offering."
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Dems... but this apparently doesn't apply to a young, progressive Latina..
As a latino it is quick enlightening how the old guard feels about us.. look what Claire Mccaskill had to say...
"I'm a little confused why she's the thing,” McCaskill told CNN. “But it's a good example of what I'm talking about, a bright shiny new object, came out of nowhere and surprised people when she beat a very experienced congressman."
I haven't seen this offensive take discussed around these parts... It's no wonder she lost.. she doesn't know why AOC is a "thing"...???
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/422851-mccaskill-on-ocasio-cortez-im-a-little-confused-why-shes-the-thing
Autumn
(48,809 posts)AOC is not a "thing". She's a fantastic example of a young Latina who won't be held back.
Autumn
(48,809 posts)
samnsara
(18,739 posts)….im sorry but maybe in her District she was a phenom but to me shes another flavor of the week. I wish her well but shes got a lot of learning to do yet.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)
no_hypocrisy
(54,462 posts)Just because one is chronologically older, and closer to death, than others, doesn't necessarily mean that we aren't very concerned about the Earth we're leaving behind for our children, grandchildren, and beyond.
AOC's statement may have helped her get elected but it's useless if she truly wants change and wants to fix the problems.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Her tweet is benign. Once again a mountain out of a non-existent mole-hill.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)What good purpose does it serve to insult and shoot spitballs like this? Is she telling us that she believes she's the ONLY person who cares? Or that people her age are the ONLY ones who are capable?
All I'm saying here is that things like this perpetuate the us v. them mentality... that's not healty... it's divisive. It creates distrust and division. And a divided party is a weaker party. A weaker party only benefits the GOP (and the Russians.)
RandySF
(81,597 posts)But she always manages to provoke some kind of reaction from me.