Sun Dec 23, 2018, 11:32 PM
Yosemito (648 posts)
Prominent Sanders backer (James Zogby): There's no war on Beto, but charisma ≠ progressivism
The board member of Our Revolution tweeted that there is no war on Beto, a reference to a recent NBC NEWS article. But he used the opportunity to note that Beto is no Bernie:
Link to tweet ?s=21
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Yosemito | Dec 2018 | OP |
ismnotwasm | Dec 2018 | #1 | |
TexasTowelie | Dec 2018 | #2 | |
R B Garr | Dec 2018 | #16 | |
RandySF | Dec 2018 | #3 | |
emulatorloo | Dec 2018 | #5 | |
Gothmog | Dec 2018 | #22 | |
PaulX2 | Dec 2018 | #54 | |
Gothmog | Dec 2018 | #60 | |
Gothmog | Dec 2018 | #62 | |
InAbLuEsTaTe | Dec 2018 | #77 | |
Cha | Dec 2018 | #4 | |
RandySF | Dec 2018 | #7 | |
Cha | Dec 2018 | #8 | |
xor | Dec 2018 | #70 | |
BannonsLiver | Dec 2018 | #18 | |
uponit7771 | Dec 2018 | #45 | |
Cha | Dec 2018 | #50 | |
Cha | Dec 2018 | #52 | |
mcar | Dec 2018 | #39 | |
Cha | Dec 2018 | #48 | |
PaulX2 | Dec 2018 | #55 | |
PatSeg | Dec 2018 | #75 | |
mcar | Dec 2018 | #82 | |
PatSeg | Dec 2018 | #83 | |
Pope George Ringo II | Dec 2018 | #6 | |
TexasTowelie | Dec 2018 | #28 | |
NastyRiffraff | Dec 2018 | #47 | |
PaulX2 | Dec 2018 | #56 | |
InAbLuEsTaTe | Dec 2018 | #59 | |
Demsrule86 | Dec 2018 | #73 | |
Cha | Dec 2018 | #9 | |
betsuni | Dec 2018 | #10 | |
Cha | Dec 2018 | #13 | |
JI7 | Dec 2018 | #21 | |
Tarheel_Dem | Dec 2018 | #25 | |
betsuni | Dec 2018 | #29 | |
Cha | Dec 2018 | #53 | |
JI7 | Dec 2018 | #31 | |
emulatorloo | Dec 2018 | #43 | |
peggysue2 | Dec 2018 | #44 | |
NurseJackie | Dec 2018 | #11 | |
Adrahil | Dec 2018 | #12 | |
Cha | Dec 2018 | #14 | |
WeekiWater | Dec 2018 | #15 | |
ProudLib72 | Dec 2018 | #17 | |
grantcart | Dec 2018 | #19 | |
Gothmog | Dec 2018 | #20 | |
TJKatd | Dec 2018 | #24 | |
TexasBushwhacker | Dec 2018 | #41 | |
calimary | Dec 2018 | #64 | |
Renew Deal | Dec 2018 | #79 | |
Gothmog | Dec 2018 | #87 | |
Gothmog | Dec 2018 | #23 | |
Cha | Dec 2018 | #27 | |
lapucelle | Dec 2018 | #33 | |
Cha | Dec 2018 | #46 | |
calimary | Dec 2018 | #65 | |
smirkymonkey | Dec 2018 | #69 | |
OKNancy | Dec 2018 | #26 | |
calimary | Dec 2018 | #66 | |
guruoo | Dec 2018 | #30 | |
betsuni | Dec 2018 | #32 | |
Crazyleftie | Dec 2018 | #34 | |
dansolo | Dec 2018 | #40 | |
InAbLuEsTaTe | Dec 2018 | #57 | |
Renew Deal | Dec 2018 | #81 | |
xor | Dec 2018 | #71 | |
Paladin | Dec 2018 | #35 | |
InAbLuEsTaTe | Dec 2018 | #58 | |
Cha | Dec 2018 | #61 | |
MFGsunny | Dec 2018 | #36 | |
ananda | Dec 2018 | #37 | |
mcar | Dec 2018 | #38 | |
Gothmog | Dec 2018 | #42 | |
Cha | Dec 2018 | #49 | |
shenmue | Dec 2018 | #51 | |
xor | Dec 2018 | #72 | |
Squinch | Dec 2018 | #63 | |
Demsrule86 | Dec 2018 | #74 | |
JHan | Dec 2018 | #67 | |
GulfCoast66 | Dec 2018 | #68 | |
Snotcicles | Dec 2018 | #84 | |
GulfCoast66 | Dec 2018 | #85 | |
Snotcicles | Dec 2018 | #86 | |
GulfCoast66 | Dec 2018 | #89 | |
Snotcicles | Dec 2018 | #90 | |
GulfCoast66 | Dec 2018 | #93 | |
Snotcicles | Dec 2018 | #94 | |
betsuni | Dec 2018 | #91 | |
Gothmog | Dec 2018 | #96 | |
janterry | Dec 2018 | #76 | |
womanofthehills | Dec 2018 | #92 | |
Renew Deal | Dec 2018 | #78 | |
Renew Deal | Dec 2018 | #80 | |
Gothmog | Dec 2018 | #88 | |
Gothmog | Dec 2018 | #95 |
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 11:33 PM
ismnotwasm (40,968 posts)
1. Hahahahahaha
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 11:42 PM
RandySF (43,224 posts)
3. And 28 years in Congress does not mean you've accomplished anything
Response to RandySF (Reply #3)
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 11:52 PM
emulatorloo (41,177 posts)
5. Well, those post-offices won't rename themselves
Response to RandySF (Reply #3)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 02:01 AM
Gothmog (126,644 posts)
22. From Prof. Tribe
Response to Gothmog (Reply #22)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 01:57 AM
PaulX2 (2,032 posts)
54. He's Not Larry
Why aren't you being more honest?
Someone has to take on the billionaires. No one else seems to want to. It doesn't pay as good..... |
Response to PaulX2 (Reply #54)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 02:53 AM
Gothmog (126,644 posts)
60. That tweet is from Professor Tribe
Not everyone approves of the attacks on Beto
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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #54)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 03:03 AM
Gothmog (126,644 posts)
62. An explanation from Prof Tribe
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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #54)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:08 AM
InAbLuEsTaTe (23,845 posts)
77. It's getting old... fortunately, not many are falling for it.
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 11:44 PM
Cha (283,906 posts)
4. James Zogby is telling us to
disbelieve our own eyes. We saw and heard what they were spouting at The Gathering.. and all over twitter.
Damn straight Beto is no BS.. BS fan Sirota tries to smear him with President Obama. lol Link to tweet Link to tweet Backfiring Already. ![]() |
Response to Cha (Reply #4)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 12:08 AM
RandySF (43,224 posts)
7. Sirota blocked me on Twitter
When i reminded him of the time he was fired from a campaign job for misconduct
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Response to RandySF (Reply #7)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 12:13 AM
Cha (283,906 posts)
8. Thank You for reminding him, RSF.
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Response to RandySF (Reply #7)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:31 AM
xor (1,204 posts)
70. He blocked me awhile ago too.
I wasn't even being hostile or anything warranting a block.
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Response to Cha (Reply #4)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 01:02 AM
BannonsLiver (14,888 posts)
18. Anyone who thinks we don't need more Obama years is a fucking idiot
If you don’t get it after the last 2 years you are in fact a moron.
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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #18)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 03:23 PM
uponit7771 (88,616 posts)
45. AMEN!!
Response to uponit7771 (Reply #45)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 01:39 AM
Cha (283,906 posts)
50. Obama finished with a ***95%*** approval rating among Democrats,
Response to uponit7771 (Reply #45)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 01:51 AM
Cha (283,906 posts)
52. P.S His approval is in the 60s in the whole country.
Response to Cha (Reply #4)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 10:08 AM
mcar (40,561 posts)
39. I'm with Joan Walsh on this one
I have other potential candidates I prefer, but I think Beto is great and has a brilliant future in Democratic politics ahead of him.
The hatred and negativity will not work this time. |
Response to mcar (Reply #39)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 05:39 PM
Cha (283,906 posts)
48. Yeah, I haven't chosen
a candidate yet.. heck I chose Obama right before Iowa!
But, in the backfiring department I've been sticking up for Beto because of the crap that's out there by well known idiots like Sirota. ![]() |
Response to Cha (Reply #48)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 02:01 AM
PaulX2 (2,032 posts)
55. I'm A Bernie Supporter Who Likes And Donated To Beto
We can all get along.
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Response to mcar (Reply #39)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:03 AM
PatSeg (44,906 posts)
75. We have so many excellent choices this time
I'm staying open and receptive. The chosen nominee probably will be someone we least expect at this point anyway. Meanwhile, I don't want to start fighting the primaries so early. I can already feel the familiar contention rising to the surface and I'm dreading it.
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Response to PatSeg (Reply #75)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:06 PM
mcar (40,561 posts)
82. That's how I feel too
I hope the candidates don't beat each other up but run on their records and ideas. I have no hope that the supporters of some of the candidates will act like adults.
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Response to mcar (Reply #82)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:30 PM
PatSeg (44,906 posts)
83. It is important that we remember
what and who we are fighting and not lash out at one another. I think people get so used to being angry and combative, that they can't stop fighting when they should be working together.
Once the primaries start, my use of DU will be very selective and limited. I learned my lesson years ago. |
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Sun Dec 23, 2018, 11:53 PM
Pope George Ringo II (1,896 posts)
6. Beto is no Bernie, it's true.
I'd vote for Beto. Again.
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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #6)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 04:18 AM
TexasTowelie (99,504 posts)
28. +1
I didn't beat the people in El Paso, but I voted for him in the primary, the runoff, and the general election this year. Damn, it's becoming a habit.
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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #6)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 05:34 PM
NastyRiffraff (12,448 posts)
47. Beto is no Bernie
And that's a GOOD thing. I don't know who I'll support in the primaries, but I'd happily vote for Beto in the general if he makes it that far (and, of course, if he even decides to run).
I feel comfortable saying I'll never vote for Bernie, because he'll never make it to the general and I certainly wouldn't support him in a primary. I hope the Democratic party doesn't let him pull the same stunt as in 2016 and allow him to run as a Democrat when he isn't one. |
Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #47)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 02:05 AM
PaulX2 (2,032 posts)
56. Bernie Is More Of My Kind Of Roosevelt Democrat
Not a modern democrat.
That's why I support him. |
Response to PaulX2 (Reply #56)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 02:17 AM
InAbLuEsTaTe (23,845 posts)
59. Me too!! Beto is no Bernie, that's fo sho...no, Bernie is the progressive who can defeat the Dotard.
Response to PaulX2 (Reply #56)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 09:52 AM
Demsrule86 (65,528 posts)
73. I do not support Sen. Sanders even though I voted for him last time.
And while he caucuses with us, he is not a Democrat of any sort.
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 12:15 AM
Cha (283,906 posts)
9. Call it what you want, Zogby.. no one is as scared of Beto as you
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 12:21 AM
betsuni (22,184 posts)
10. "People sometimes don't see that because there was a charismatic individual named Barack Obama.
He was obviously an extraordinary candidate, brilliant guy, but beyond that reality... ."
Sounds familiar. |
Response to betsuni (Reply #10)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 12:37 AM
Cha (283,906 posts)
13. Yeah, I remember that.. and his
fans twisting to explain what BS "actually meant".
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Response to betsuni (Reply #10)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 01:47 AM
JI7 (87,738 posts)
21. yup, all the attacks are the same we have heard about Obama, Hillary, even going back to Gore and
probably before that.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #10)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 03:44 AM
Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)
25. They hate Obama for some reason. Michael Moore had the temerity to say that Barack Obama would be...
remembered for being the first black POTUS, but not much beyond that.
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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #25)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 04:33 AM
betsuni (22,184 posts)
29. I agree Beto can appeal, he's not negative and playing to people's ignorance and fear.
Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #25)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 06:17 AM
JI7 (87,738 posts)
31. they hate OBama because he cut into their profits . they made a lot of money from angry democrats
during the BUsh years. Obama took that away because instead of buying shit they are selling democrats started to look to voting .
Beto will be tougher because he is white so they wont be able to appeal to the racists as much as they did with Obama. |
Response to JI7 (Reply #31)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 02:58 PM
emulatorloo (41,177 posts)
43. From Nate Silver
Response to emulatorloo (Reply #43)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 03:17 PM
peggysue2 (9,770 posts)
44. Bingo!
Yet they persist. The Chapo Trap House reportedly has a podcast that makes the anger toward Beto O'Rourke very clear, declaring Beto the 'white Obama,' an attempt (according to a Vanity Fair article) that this is the Democratic Establishment's attempt to put a cool veneer on that boogie man . . . Centrism.
And so, Beto O'Rourke is being framed as 'the Davos Democrat on a skateboard.' If I remember correctly this was the same group who said Democrats would have to 'take a knee' if the party wanted their support. Because they're decidedly not members of the Democratic Party. Sound familiar??? |
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 12:34 AM
Adrahil (13,340 posts)
12. When one says something like that...
Everything thing you said before "but" doesn't count.
There is fear in Bernieland. |
Response to Adrahil (Reply #12)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 12:39 AM
Cha (283,906 posts)
14. There definitely is and
it should be more than just about Beto.
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 12:49 AM
WeekiWater (3,259 posts)
15. This is all starting to make me think...
Biden isn’t running but is going to come out with an early Beto endorsement and campaign for him. I’m really confident in my thought that if Biden, Beto and Sanders enter, it only helps Sanders. I personally think that the larger the field the better for Sanders.
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 12:55 AM
ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)
17. Good grief
We can add James Zogby to the list of Our Revolution people who...
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 01:37 AM
grantcart (52,615 posts)
19. If people would bother to read that he has wisdom beyond his years
Not progressive? Ha He is the first one to state clearly there is enough to impeach Something every DUer knows to be true. |
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 01:40 AM
Gothmog (126,644 posts)
20. CNN-Bernie Sanders supporters should worry about Beto
Harry Enten has some good analysis https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/14/politics/bernie-sanders-beto-orourke-supporters-2020/index.html
The Beto O'Rourke 2020 train seems to be gaining steam. Those backing other potential candidates want donors and pundits to slow their Beto roll, however.
Among the most prominent critics are supporters of Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders who believes the Texan isn't progressive enough. Sanders fans have at least some reason to worry. O'Rourke or really any other candidate with outsider appeal could eat into Sanders' base of young, independent-leaning voters. If Sanders is going to win in 2020, he'll need to hold onto his support from 2016. He won more than 40% of the national primary vote, though he lost by low double-digits to Clinton national |
Response to Gothmog (Reply #20)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 02:37 AM
TJKatd (73 posts)
24. I saw MN Senator Amy Klobuchar...
Last edited Mon Dec 24, 2018, 12:31 PM - Edit history (2) in an interview last week. I came away very impressed. She was thoughtful, reasonable, and totally up-to-speed on the topics that she was asked about.
None of the potential 2020 candidates have grabbed my attention, so I'm completely persuadable at this point. I'd probably be on board with Biden because I think he's probably the most electable, but, frankly, he's too old. I like Sanders too, but , again, too old. And for the third frontrunner, Robert O'Rourke, I can't explain it, I just don't like him. I guess I just find him too pretentious, and he couldnt beat a thoroughly unlikeable Senator in Cruz. As for all the others, I just b can't get fired u up about them. For 2020, the big, big thing for me is electability. I'm willing to give up a little on issues in exchange for electability. Democratic purity is worthless if the candidate cant win. Give Klobuchar a serious look. |
Response to TJKatd (Reply #24)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 11:56 AM
TexasBushwhacker (18,694 posts)
41. I like her a lot n/t
Response to TJKatd (Reply #24)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 09:13 AM
calimary (74,877 posts)
64. "Democratic purity is worthless if the candidate can't win" Absolutely!!!
That is IT in a nutshell.
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #20)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:19 AM
Renew Deal (80,790 posts)
79. Does it matter how "progressive" Bernie is if he's unelectable?
Response to Renew Deal (Reply #79)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:49 PM
Gothmog (126,644 posts)
87. I also think that sanders is unelectable
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 02:18 AM
Gothmog (126,644 posts)
23. From Governor Howard Dean
Response to Gothmog (Reply #23)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 03:55 AM
Cha (283,906 posts)
27. Yep.. Good to hear from Dean..
Link to tweet It certainly has helped Beto from what I see on twitter.. their scared tactics have backfired. This was Sirota before he saw Beto was a threat to BS.. Link to tweet |
Response to Cha (Reply #27)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 08:44 AM
lapucelle (15,131 posts)
33. Does he actually need to be told why floating the name of freshman who has yet to serve a day
in the House for the third highest party leadership position is a bad idea?
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Response to lapucelle (Reply #33)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 05:29 PM
Cha (283,906 posts)
46. Yes, Sirota needs to be schooled,
badly!
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Response to lapucelle (Reply #33)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 09:17 AM
calimary (74,877 posts)
65. No kidding!!!!!
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 03:51 AM
OKNancy (41,832 posts)
26. I want to win. I want to beat Trump
More than anything. If our candidate is not 100% for everything I would like, but is someone who could win, then that's all I need.
Winning is everything. Trump MUST be defeated. So, who of the two mentioned could win? No way could Bernie Sanders win a general election. |
Response to OKNancy (Reply #26)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 09:38 AM
calimary (74,877 posts)
66. Agreed.
Bernie can’t win a general election. Too risky. Too many pitfalls. Already proven.
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 05:32 AM
guruoo (5,092 posts)
30. Hoping that nobody would click the link, I guess
Last edited Mon Dec 24, 2018, 06:17 AM - Edit history (1) Link to tweet James J. Zogby Verified account @jjz1600 A few points: there is no war; OurRevolution, Nat’l & State, endorsed #Beto for Senate; he doesn’t compete w/ #Bernie - charisma doesn’t = principled progressive politics; stop making every comment about Beto’s record into a “war.” ![]() |
Response to guruoo (Reply #30)
betsuni This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 09:01 AM
Crazyleftie (447 posts)
34. the reality is that O'Rourke has a record that's somewhat more conservative than that of most of
his Democratic colleagues......just saying.......
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Response to Crazyleftie (Reply #34)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 10:09 AM
dansolo (5,376 posts)
40. Bernie supporters are concerned that Beto will take his youth support
Bernie has to rely on the fickle youth demographic. His followers are concerned that Beto will draw them away. The irony is that the big push against older politicians is probably what is going to increase support for Beto away from Sanders.
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Response to Crazyleftie (Reply #34)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 02:11 AM
InAbLuEsTaTe (23,845 posts)
57. True dat! Don't know why that's controversial... candidates should just be genuine and open about
their positions and voters will decide. It's not complicated.
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #57)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:44 AM
Renew Deal (80,790 posts)
81. Which votes are you concened with?
Response to Crazyleftie (Reply #34)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:37 AM
xor (1,204 posts)
71. Can you elaborate on this some more?
Maybe I just haven't seen it yet, but I haven't seen a whole lot of conservative stances coming from Beto. It might also be that we have different ideas of where the "conservative" line is drawn. Hard to say without some concrete examples of what you're thinking of.
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 09:23 AM
Paladin (26,566 posts)
35. Bernie forces: You're protesting way too much, trying to sell this "no Beto war" thing.
It's already getting tiresome.
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Response to Paladin (Reply #35)
InAbLuEsTaTe This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to Paladin (Reply #35)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 03:01 AM
Cha (283,906 posts)
61. Not sure why they think we can't see
what's going on with our own eyes?
They aren't trying to Gaslight, are they? Zogby? |
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 09:53 AM
MFGsunny (2,356 posts)
36. hey Zog, how about STFU ... we see right thru ya
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 09:54 AM
ananda (27,540 posts)
37. Sorry dude but Beto has it all!
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 10:06 AM
mcar (40,561 posts)
38. Some people have learned nothing from 2016
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 11:58 AM
Gothmog (126,644 posts)
42. from my twitter feed
Response to Gothmog (Reply #42)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 06:27 PM
Cha (283,906 posts)
49. Yeah, I'm thinking that even if Beto
doesn't run there are plenty of his fans who will eagerly vote for someone else in the primary besides BS
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 01:47 AM
shenmue (38,399 posts)
51. Beto is very charismatic. Did this person see anything about his campaign?
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Response to shenmue (Reply #51)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:46 AM
xor (1,204 posts)
72. I think he's trying to say that Beto is a likable fella, but he isn't a true progressive.
I would like to see some folks expand on where they think he falls short in their mind. Hard to get concrete examples from people. Which makes it difficult to have productive discussions. I find the motives of some questionable when their primary gripes are similar to those that Sirota made about Beto receiving donations from a lot of folks who work at oil & gas companies, and then trying to twist that into some dishonest smear of him being beholden to energy companies. That sort of behavior comes off as very similar to the nonsense we see from Trump cultist. It's less to do with what's right and more to do with worship of their candidate.
*I don't dislike Bernie, nor do I think Beto is the guy. Beto may be awful, but there hasn't been many compelling arguments against him in my opinion. |
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 08:27 AM
Squinch (47,327 posts)
63. I'm not saying Our Revolution is trolling.
I'm just saying the trolls think Our Revolution is trolling.
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Response to Squinch (Reply #63)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 09:54 AM
Demsrule86 (65,528 posts)
74. I dislike our revolution and would never vote for any of their candidates in a primary.
They don't like Democrats clearly.
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 09:58 PM
JHan (10,173 posts)
67. cool story, bro.
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 11:08 PM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
68. These are the people that booed John Lewis in 2016
They booed John Lewis. Greatest living American.
There is no one they will not attack if seen as a threat. |
Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #68)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:34 PM
Snotcicles (9,089 posts)
84. Do you have proof of that or did you just pull that out of your ass? nt
Response to Snotcicles (Reply #84)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:52 PM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
85. Did not need to pull it out my ass. We all saw it. Democratic Primary 2016.
Lewis rose to endorse our candidate and was booed. And not by our candidates supporters.
I guess you were not watching. Or did you just forget what you saw? |
Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #85)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:44 PM
Snotcicles (9,089 posts)
86. I remember. That group was pissed at Lewis for dissing Bernie's civil rights activisim. nt
Response to Snotcicles (Reply #86)
Fri Dec 28, 2018, 12:20 AM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
89. I'm guessing Mr. Google refreshed your memory?
And now you understand why many members of the Democratic Party have no problem believing that ‘that group’, who booed civil rights icon and greatest living American, on national TV, at the Democratic Convention, would have no qualms about attacking a congressman from Texas.
A whole shit ton of Democratic Party members have not forgotten the unforgivable act of ‘that group’. Booing John Lewis is beyond the pale. |
Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #89)
Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:08 AM
Snotcicles (9,089 posts)
90. I think you are all hyperventilating. Bernie Sanders was the best candidate in 2016.
John Lewis can stand up to a few boos. And your guess was wrong.
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Response to Snotcicles (Reply #90)
Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:59 AM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
93. John Lewis handled getting his skull smashed protesting for the vote
He can certainly handle the boos.
The point is that we we given an inside look at the character and priorities of ‘that group’ that summer night in 2016. Their character left much to be desired and their priorities were not the improvement of the Democratic Party. People who would boo John Lewis are not the type of democrats we need more of. And Since you bring up Bernie, let me remind you what he did while ‘that group’ was booing John Lewis: sat there with a shit eating grin. We in the South will not forget nor forgive. John Lewis is as great an American as live now. And a member of the Democratic Party. |
Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #93)
Fri Dec 28, 2018, 09:23 AM
Snotcicles (9,089 posts)
94. Have a good life. nt
Response to Snotcicles (Reply #86)
Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:18 AM
betsuni (22,184 posts)
91. All Lewis said was that he didn't remember Sanders, didn't meet him.
Why would he? Many young people were active in civil rights at the time. Did that group think Lewis was lying or something?
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Response to Snotcicles (Reply #84)
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 01:31 PM
Gothmog (126,644 posts)
96. I was at the convention and I saw the booing and worst behavior
I was a Clinton delegate to the national convention. Real campaigns carefully vet their delegates. I know that I was vetted and I was on a committee that vetted other delegates. The reason for this vetting is that (a) all delegates including pledged delegates has the power to vote for the candidate of their choice and (b) a campaign's delegates reflect on the campaign. All Clinton delegates were warned to be on our best behavior because our conduct would reflect on the candidate.
The Clinton campaign had a very well organized whipping infrastructure. Early on, we were prepared for a series of floor votes on credentials and platform issues. On the first night of the convention, I was warned by my whip that there would be a planned stunt by the sanders delegates where they would boo Congressman John Lewis. I got this text about 20 to 30 minutes before Congressman John Lewis was to be introduced. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stip this stunt and he declined. There was really nasty booing of Congressman John Lewis at the convention when he was introduced including some nasty shouts from the sanders delegates. |
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:07 AM
janterry (4,429 posts)
76. Bernie is no Beto
I supported Bernie last time. This time, if Beto tosses his cap in - I'll support him.
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Response to janterry (Reply #76)
Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:33 AM
womanofthehills (7,267 posts)
92. Same here, I really like Bernie, but I want someone new - I love Beto and Kamala
I'm so impressed with Beto's compassion at the border.
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:17 AM
Renew Deal (80,790 posts)
78. Why are there any "comments" when neither of them are running?
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:43 AM
Renew Deal (80,790 posts)
80. "progressivism" ≠ leadership
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:49 PM
Gothmog (126,644 posts)
88. This NYT article explains why sanders supporrters are worried about Beto
Link to tweet Further, the political consulting firm led by three of Mr. Sanders’s top digital aides from the last campaign — Kenneth Pennington, Hector Sigala and Elizabeth Bennett — worked for Mr. O’Rourke’s Senate bid and are hoping to work on his presidential campaign should he run, according to a Democratic strategist familiar with the firm’s thinking.
Two veterans of Mr. Sanders’s 2016 campaign, Becky Bond and Zack Malitz, were instrumental this year in helping to organize Mr. O’Rourke’s race against Senator Ted Cruz. Both said they are eager to be a part of any “Beto for President’’ effort. “I don’t know if Beto is going to run, but if he does I’m all in,” said Ms. Bond. Mr. Malitz added: “I want Beto to run and would want to work on that campaign.” |
Response to Yosemito (Original post)
Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:33 PM
Gothmog (126,644 posts)
95. Why the Bernie Movement Must Crush Beto O'Rourke
Here is another good article on the reason why sanders supporters are attacking Beto http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/bernie-sanders-beto-orourke-feud-2020-campaign-democratic.html
The rise of Beto O’Rourke poses an obvious threat. The Texas congressman has replicated aspects of Sanders’s appeal — his positivity and refusal to accept PAC money — while exceeding it in some ways. Sanders is charismatic in an unconventional way, the slovenly and cranky but somewhat lovable old uncle, while O’Rourke projects a classic handsome, toothy, Kennedy-esque charm that reliably makes Democrats swoon. Hard-core loyalists find the contrast irksome. “Reading Karl Marx is cool,” said Nomiki Konst, a Sanders loyalist and candidate for New York City public advocate, to NBC. “Doing a livestream while you’re doing your laundry is a gimmick.” The comment sums up the left’s well-grounded fear that Sanders’s hard-core ideological appeal can be easily disarmed with personal charisma.
And while O’Rourke has yet to decide on a presidential campaign, and would have to overcome an enormous field if he does, the Sandernistas are hardly paranoid to discern the kind of groundswell that could quickly propel O’Rourke to the front of the pack. Former Obama strategist and current Pod Save America host Dan Pfeiffer wrote a piece urging O’Rourke to run (without endorsing him). O’Rourke reportedly met with Obama, who favored him with public praise. “What I liked most about his race was that it didn’t feel constantly poll-tested,” Obama said. “It felt as if he based his statements and his positions on what he believed.” What Obama is describing here is O’Rourke’s ability to speak naturally and with apparent conviction — one never knows if a politician is expressing genuine conviction or just performing it well — without taking hard-left policy stances. O’Rourke’s short career has allowed him to avoid being pinned down on every item in the party platform. He generally occupies the center of the Democratic Party, and often expresses broad sympathy for left-wing policy goals while suggesting he favors a more pragmatic alternative. On health care, he advocates “achieving universal health care coverage — whether it be through a single-payer system, a dual system, or otherwise — so that we can ensure everyone is able to see a provider when it will do the most good and will deliver health care in the most affordable, effective way possible.” One of the deeper strategic goals of the left is to equate progressive maximalism with authenticity, like Sanders did. They want candidates who take uncompromising left-wing positions to be seen as authentic, and candidates who adopt more moderate lines to be seen as calculating and phony. The socialist left will attack any non-Sanders candidate, but O’Rourke is especially dangerous to their project precisely because of his Obama-like personal appeal. |