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Wed Dec 26, 2018, 08:54 AM

 

24% of Dems/Independents say Biden shouldn't run . 41% say Sanders shouldn't run

The media will have to adjust their ďshould Biden run or notĒ narrative after seeing this poll?


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/26/2020-democrats-usa-today-suffolk-university-poll/2399076002/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatodaycomwashington-topstories

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Reply 24% of Dems/Independents say Biden shouldn't run . 41% say Sanders shouldn't run (Original post)
Yosemito Dec 2018 OP
Bettie Dec 2018 #1
Renew Deal Dec 2018 #2
Renew Deal Dec 2018 #3
question everything Dec 2018 #9
BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #89
Bradshaw3 Dec 2018 #4
emulatorloo Dec 2018 #5
GWC58 Dec 2018 #27
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #31
question everything Dec 2018 #46
Cosmocat Dec 2018 #47
samnsara Dec 2018 #52
GWC58 Dec 2018 #63
Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #6
NastyRiffraff Dec 2018 #7
LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #26
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #32
guruoo Dec 2018 #56
LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #66
guruoo Dec 2018 #67
LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #69
question everything Dec 2018 #8
JCanete Dec 2018 #10
Adrahil Dec 2018 #12
JCanete Dec 2018 #13
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #33
Adrahil Dec 2018 #42
JCanete Dec 2018 #43
guruoo Dec 2018 #61
JCanete Dec 2018 #74
guruoo Dec 2018 #87
LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #40
question everything Dec 2018 #14
Bucky Dec 2018 #16
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #34
karynnj Dec 2018 #23
Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #35
LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #55
Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #59
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #36
guruoo Dec 2018 #62
betsuni Dec 2018 #77
Cha Dec 2018 #70
Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #20
lapucelle Dec 2018 #28
question everything Dec 2018 #48
aikoaiko Dec 2018 #25
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #37
LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #41
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #50
LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #53
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #71
LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #73
Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #38
aikoaiko Dec 2018 #45
Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #60
question everything Dec 2018 #49
guruoo Dec 2018 #57
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #72
betsuni Dec 2018 #79
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #80
betsuni Dec 2018 #82
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #83
betsuni Dec 2018 #84
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #85
Iggo Dec 2018 #11
Bucky Dec 2018 #15
Yosemito Dec 2018 #17
Donkees Dec 2018 #18
Yosemito Dec 2018 #22
Snotcicles Dec 2018 #54
Bucky Dec 2018 #88
CTyankee Dec 2018 #65
karynnj Dec 2018 #24
Yavin4 Dec 2018 #30
lapucelle Dec 2018 #39
Vinca Dec 2018 #19
helpisontheway Dec 2018 #21
WeekiWater Dec 2018 #29
SidDithers Dec 2018 #44
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #81
disillusioned73 Dec 2018 #51
Cha Dec 2018 #58
EffieBlack Dec 2018 #64
aikoaiko Dec 2018 #68
roamer65 Dec 2018 #75
democratisphere Dec 2018 #76
kennetha Dec 2018 #78
oberliner Dec 2018 #86

Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 09:00 AM

1. There is a significant number of

'should not run' on all of them and a whole lot of 'never heard of them' on there as well.

Personally, I think that Sanders and Clinton should be done with running for president.

Biden? Not sure, but his previous presidential campaigns have gone nowhere, but he now has greater name recognition than he did before.

But hey, I'm only one person with an opinion!

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Response to Bettie (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 09:08 AM

2. Not on all of them

People seem to be interested in Beto and Amy K.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 09:10 AM

3. The most well known ones have the highest "should not run"

They happened to be the oldest. And then there is Kamala. This poll is surprisingly negative for her, but she isnít really doing well in any poll.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 01:18 PM

9. I have been getting daily emails from her - where did she get my address?

until I "unsubscribed."

If, at all, she needs to clarify her position on Civil forfeiture that she supported while CA AG.

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Response to question everything (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 12:53 PM

89. ...



You spam that same sentence every time her name comes up here. Itís libertarian fever swamp stuff.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 11:17 AM

4. I like both Bernie and Biden

But I don't want Bernie to run again. I didn't want Biden to run but I'm starting to change my mind on that.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 12:41 PM

5. Looks like Bernie, Bloomberg, and Warren are the real "winners" of DO NOT RUN

Their chunks as all bigger than Bidenís

I leave out HRC as she has said over and over sheís not running.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:07 AM

27. And I believe Hillary.

Why the hell would she want to go through that shit again. Even though more of the nation WANTED HER as president. This country is paying, paying dearly, for that massive blunder! I knew Trump was going to be bad, but I didnít imagine it would be this bad! And compared to 45 43 was a great president. I canít believe I just said that. Thatís how low Trump has lowered the bar. 😱😳

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Response to GWC58 (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:20 AM

31. I believe Hillary too...with her vast experience, she knows the political landscape better than most

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Response to GWC58 (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:05 PM

46. Second this

She deserves better


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Response to GWC58 (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:08 PM

47. I undershot on how bad 43 was going to be

I knew he would be bad, but he was worse.

45 is everything I knew he would be.

And, 45 is the best thing to ever happen to 43, cause he makes him look OK in comparison.

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Response to GWC58 (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:42 PM

52. we dont deserve Hillary... shes way too good for us...

...she has earned the right to just sit back with a huge bag of popcorn and watch the show. She will always be Madam President.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #52)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 04:35 PM

63. Hillary very well may be

eating popcorn, but she is, most assuredly, not enjoying this shitstorm caused by this worthless piece of shit! 🤔 Hillary cares way too much for this nation to like whatís going on. A true patriot is Madam Secretary.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 01:09 PM

6. True. But those two topped the entire field in that poll for "excited".

Only "Someone entirely new" did better in terms of exciting voters among those polled, but then several new names mentioned did even worse than Biden or Sanders in that regard, including the newest name of them all, O'Rouke.

It seems people want to be excited by someone new but no one new is really exciting them yet.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 01:13 PM

7. Uh oh...

Is it even legal on DU to suggest that Bernie shouldn't run? I guess it's safe if it's a poll. Not that polls at this stage have any real meaning. No one has even declared yet.

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:20 AM

32. Thanks for the reminder... I had forgotten.

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:28 PM

56. When I see that, I hear: "It's a big club, and you ain't in it" n/t

 

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #66)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 06:25 PM

67. So Senate Dems invited a "parasite" to caucus with them?

 



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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 01:15 PM

8. When will Democrats accept the fact that Sanders is not a Democrat,

never been a Democrat and has actively campaigned against Democratic candidates?

I supported Biden in 2008 but we really do need to seek younger people.

I am glad that "Someone New" tops the list

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Response to question everything (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 01:20 PM

10. when will you accept the fact that that detail is almost entirely irrelevant? Its a label. What you

 


vote for and advocate for is what matters. And Sanders would run as a democrat, which would make him a democrat. He's no DINO, but DINOS do exist. Would you prefer one, because it seems like the name is the thing you care most about.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 01:24 PM

12. With all due respect, poppycock!

 

We can criticize the GOP all we want, but do you know what THEY know? That our system favors unified parties. They have engineered minority control of the government by understanding that simple principle.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 01:25 PM

13. Again, the issues. Unify around the issues and the judges, etc. and that IS unity. Worrying about

 


somebody's label is the poppycock.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:22 AM

33. THIS!!!!

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Response to JCanete (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 11:36 AM

42. And that is why we have failed.

 

Whether you like it or not, labels matter in DC.

You can pretend otherwise, but reality is a stubborn thing.

And that's why this is the DEMOCRATIC Undeground.

We recognize that electing DEMOCRATS matters.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #42)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:26 PM

43. You need to make a case for that argument. I don't follow it as stated at all. nt

 

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Response to JCanete (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 04:07 PM

61. Isn't it a violation of the DU TOS?

 

Don't have time to look it up now.

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Response to guruoo (Reply #61)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:14 AM

74. Not bashing allies is a thing. Not sure saying Sanders isn't a democrat is bashing, and one could

 


make a fair enough case that since that's his own choice, then saying he isn't a democrat can't be considered to be a bash.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #74)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:01 PM

87. It's a very technical distinction, one that evokes an image of David v Goliath. nt

 


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Response to Adrahil (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:28 AM

40. +1 /nt

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Response to JCanete (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 10:37 PM

14. No, he is playing games and too many here swallow it

What is holding him back for changing his registration? According to DUers from Vermont, he does run as a Democrat in the primaries and then changes affiliation.

If this is just a label, why not open the primaries so that RWers can vote and run as Democrats?

Why not have, say, the Turtle declares that he is a Democrat and run in his state if he thinks that his seat is in jeopardy?

The voters are clueless. It will be name recognition and he will be the new Democrat from Kentucky, beating someone good, earnest candidate who worked the state. And then, of course, he can change or just vote with the Republicans.

And, it appears that you are not bothered by him actively campaigning against Democratic candidates.

And, apparently, it does not bother you that he wished for "someone" to primary challenge Obama in 2012.

He is worse than DINO. DINOs have principles that, apparently do not lock with yours but my opinion that they have important role in the party. Not everyone is, or - shrug - should, be far left. That is, if we want to preserve the party.

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Response to question everything (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 11:32 PM

16. Meh, it's not really worth worrying about

We'll nominate who we nominate, and polls about who should not run don't seem particularly relevant to the process, unless we started doing a Survivor style vote 'em off the island primary system

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Response to Bucky (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:23 AM

34. Now there's an idea!

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Response to question everything (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 09:01 AM

23. In Vermont people do not register by party

What he did, at the encouragement of the Vt Democratic party is to run in the Democratic party. It was understood that if he won, he would not accept the nomination AND the party would not put in a replacement candidate. He had joint appearance with the Democratic ticket which helped the Democrats.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:23 AM

35. There is a Democratic Senator from Vermont...you can joint a party Sen. Sanders chose

not to although, he ran in the Democratic Party primary as you pointed out. Sen. Leahy is from Vermont.

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #55)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:35 PM

59. Exactly.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:23 AM

36. Since when does the truth matter?!

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Response to question everything (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 04:24 PM

62. "What is holding him back for changing his registration?"

 

Your answer's in the mirror.

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Response to guruoo (Reply #62)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:31 AM

77. What does that mean?

Oh wait, let me guess. Corporatists, establishment, elitists, Dems are worse than Republicans.

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Response to question everything (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 06:35 PM

70. Well Done, question everything!

BS is too divisive and 3rd party.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 08:45 AM

20. I want a Democratic president. And the recent remarks about how you are not racist if

you have reservations about voting for a Black candidate finished him in my book- for a primary. I would of course vote for any Democratic or progressive candidate including Sen.Sanders in a general but not a primary.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:08 AM

28. If someone declares as a Democrat only in order to expedite running for a particular office,

wouldn't that person be a Democrat in name only?

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/in_name_only

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:09 PM

48. Well said. Thanks


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Response to question everything (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 09:33 AM

25. When will Democrats accept that Bernie isn't a Democrat?


Do you not realize that Bernieís status as an independent who caucuses with Democrats and sometimes criticizes Democrats is what a lot of Democrats like about him?

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:25 AM

37. So, you'd rather have Bernie running as an Independent?! Now there's a recipe for disaster!!

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:36 PM

50. What an unfair thing to say...esply after Bernie has shown such loyalty to his Democratic colleagues

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #53)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 07:25 PM

71. So not true... good try though to rewrite history.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:25 AM

38. i don't see that at all.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:13 PM

45. It wouldn't surprise me that we run in different Democratic/lefty circles and see different things.


But I think it is undeniable that 40% of primary voters thought he brought something different to the Democratic table.

I like what Bernie brings to the table (albeit sometimes flaws, too).

Having said that I don't think he'll do nearly as well this time around.

We should remember that 31% of the general elections voters were independents and 42% of them voted for the Democratic nominee. When we scorn Bernie for not being in the party, we alienate those voters, too.






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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:41 PM

60. I understand you point, but I believe Democrats need to run in Democratic primaries...and

all this third party shit only causes us to lose elections we could win if we showed more loyalty to the only party who can stop the 'GOP...Democrats. If Sen. Sanders had not made such a big deal of switching back after 16 and again this year, maybe I would feel differently, but it is what it is. He won't get my vote in a primary...of course I will vote for whoever wins the primary.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:13 PM

49. And this is what is so sad.

We have so many dedicated, knowledgeable, exiting Democrats. Is the best we can do is look outside the party?

I have posted here recently that a visitor from abroad, in the 80s, asked me: with more than 300 million people, the best you could do was Reagan?

This is a similar puzzling question.

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Response to question everything (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:35 PM

57. He's more of a Democrat than .... nt

 

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Response to question everything (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 07:29 PM

72. While Bernie may not have the title of "Democrat," he votes like one more than most...that's just a

fact and why Bernie is loved by so many. It's no wonder the Dotard fears him.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #72)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:15 AM

79. If he votes like one more than most, why does he think the Democratic Party is a failure and

ideologically bankrupt? Why does he vote with them, then?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #79)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:48 AM

80. Failure?! haha, not at all!! Most top potential 2020 Democratic presidential candidates

are adopting Bernie's progressive policy positions... that's the definition of success!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #80)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:54 AM

82. "The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so

has been a failure." hahaha. Those are his words. Why does he vote the way they do if they're failures and ideologically bankrupt?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #82)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 08:00 AM

83. As long as we can count on ur vote 4 Bernie shud he run for & win the 2020 Democratic nomination...

feel free to laugh all you want.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #83)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 08:05 AM

84. Ideologically bankrupt, failure, corrupt. Worse than Republicans!!!11

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Response to betsuni (Reply #84)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 08:11 AM

85. Well, I for one will surely support the Democratic presidential nominee, no matter who it is.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 01:23 PM

11. I like 'em all. (n/t)

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 11:18 PM

15. Warren and Bloomberg have much bigger "don't run" numbers

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Response to Bucky (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 05:24 AM

17. Much bigger than Biden's

 

Not Sanders.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 07:40 AM

18. Polling sample was only 689 people

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Response to Donkees (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 08:57 AM

22. 689 is fine

 

I've seen no expert say that 689 is an inadequate sample size.

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Response to Yosemito (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:50 PM

54. If they did Rank Choice polling of all candidates Sanders would win hands down everytime. nt

 

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Response to Snotcicles (Reply #54)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 11:23 AM

88. That's not how polling works, because that's not how elections work

But your faith in the Dove Whisperer is inspiring.

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Response to Yosemito (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 05:05 PM

65. But we do know that the smaller the size of the poll, the greater the Margin of Error.

Right?

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Response to Donkees (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 09:09 AM

24. Sample size affects the confidence interval around the estimates

For this snapshot in time of the results of an interesting, but unusual question, it is likely as precise as it needs to be. I hope they ask the question a few times in the future.

I wish do not run was would not support in the primary.

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Response to Donkees (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:17 AM

30. It's a large enough sample size to make an inference about the larger population

No candidate has started to publicly campaign yet. Most of them are lining up donors, campaign staff, headquarters, etc. it's all behind the scenes for the next few months. We'll start seeing public campaigning in the spring.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 07:48 AM

19. I must remember to check out John Delaney. Haven't got a clue who the guy is or what he believes,

but he's already sent me 2 pieces of mail (and he's got the cutest dog on the planet in his Christmas card). It's a first. I've lived in NH for about 20 years and I've never gotten mailings this early. He looks like a nice man which could be a problem running against the Orange Fuhrer. I thought Beto handled Trump better than anyone else has: he ignored him. Drove Trump nuts . . . er, nuttier. My only criteria for a candidate in 2020 is who can beat Trump. I don't care if they're male or female, black or white, old or young, gay or straight, fat or thin. I just have to believe they can oust Trump.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 08:53 AM

21. Sanders is not a Democrat..He loves to point that out. Nt

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 10:11 AM

29. I love that Democrats aren't in fear of the new.

 

That is a great sign and statement of voters. Open minds.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:54 PM

44. Bernie with the highest negatives of the prospective 2020 candidates...

Shocked. Shocked I am.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:53 AM

81. So, why have a primary and debates comparing policy positions?! Let's just let the polls decide our

candidate... who needs voters?!?!

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:40 PM

51. Ahhhh...

 

another useless pol.. thanx

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:35 PM

58. Good.. somebody's paying attention.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 04:41 PM

64. Fortunately, we have primary elections that allow us to decide who should run or not

 

Until then, these polls are just something to keep the 24-7 news beast fed until the primaries actually begin ...

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 06:33 PM

68. I truly hate that we are letting the media decide who's in front and who is not


I wish the DNC had organized a presentation of the candidates right after the midterms so that we were dictating the conversation.

Now we're stuck with polls like this.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:16 AM

75. Biden-O'Rourke.

That would be a winning ticket.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:21 AM

76. Agreed, neither should run! Both are too old.

ADAM SCHIFF will make a great POTUS!

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:58 AM

78. I hope Bernie

Runs away ... and hides.


He's a holier than thou, pompous blowhard, who is stuck in the past.

He's no democrat, by his own admission, he just used the machinery of the democratic party to try and hijack the party for his own ends. When he failed, he made it clear where he really stood.

Bye, bye Bernie. If you want a socialist party, go and get your own. Don't try and hijack mine.



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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 08:23 AM

86. So the majority of Democrats/Independents are saying Biden should run?

 

He seems to have the highest "excited about running" score of anyone.

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