Should this march have been cancelled?

[jcmaine72]

California organizers cancel Women's March due to 'overwhelmingly white' participants

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/organizers-cancel-womens-march-jan-19-due-to-overwhelmingly-white-participants

I understand the need for diversity. Believe me I do. However, I also think this is a crucial time in our nation's history and women need to be heard from regardless of race. What do you guys think?

EDIT: Additional sources to this news story below:

SFGate:
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/humboldt-eureka-womens-march-canceled-13498669.php

Newsweek:
https://www.newsweek.com/california-womens-march-cancelled-over-fears-participants-would-be-1274756

The Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2018/12/30/california-womens-march-rally-canceled-over-concerns-that-it-would-be-overwhelmingly-white/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b5b3eec1fc87

[Downtown Hound]

1. I'm all for diversity and inclusion

But since when does a march HAVE to have certain types of people in it to proceed?

No, I think cancelling it was stupid, and a gift to the right.

[lunatica]

2. The article says they cancelled the date so the organizers could

do more outreach to get people which will reflect the community better.

Your OP is misleading and you should either correct it or delete it.

[jcmaine72]

6. The march has been cancelled. If they used the word "postponed" I would agree with you.

Cancelled sounds pretty definite.

[lunatica]

8. That's your proof for misusing the article?

[jcmaine72]

37. How was it misused? The headline stated the march was canceled and why.

I merely reiterated what had already been posted. If anything, you're misusing what I posted.

[lunatica]

40. LOL!

You’re admitting you only used the headline.

[jcmaine72]

46. No, only that my question was based on it.

Why are you so angry with me? I'd really like to know why my posting this news article elicited such responses from you.

[lunatica]

54. I stated my objections in various posts

Clear as day.

[jcmaine72]

56. You sure did.

And none acknowledged what I actually wrote, just what you imagined my intentions were.

[cwydro]

3. That's a damn shame. nt

[lunatica]

4. The OP is misleading

[jcmaine72]

5. How is it misleading? The march has been cancelled and no new date has been set, no matter what the

reason.

[lunatica]

10. A new date is supposed to be set

Your OP is misleading.

[brooklynite]

14. ...and if a new date is set, that will be a new story...

In the meantime, this story is factually correct.

[lunatica]

27. I disagree. The OP is trying to make half the facts the story

If you seek facts it’s good to balance all the facts instead of posing a question to elicit responses on partial facts.

I really expected a better argument from you.

[jcmaine72]

59. Which half of the facts did I exclude?

The article stated the march had been canceled. Not postponed, but canceled. No new date has been announced. Here's what I wrote in response:

"I understand the need for diversity. Believe me I do. However, I also think this is a crucial time in our nation's history and women need to be heard from regardless of race."

Now which half of the facts presented in the news article did I exclude? Can you show me?

[cwydro]

16. In what way?

I read the story.

[lunatica]

30. Compare the implied message of the OP

to the actual article.

It seems manipulative in order to reach a conclusion which ignores the other facts in the story. The implied message is that white people are being discriminated against. It’s not that subtle.

[jcmaine72]

38. Implied message?

I merely echoed the contents of the article, which appear to be factual.

May I ask what you seem to be implying with your continued insistence that I somehow posted something that was not presented in the article itself?

[lunatica]

41. I stated it quite clearly in the post you just replied to

Read it again.

[jcmaine72]

42. Perhaps you should try reading my OP again, because ovbiously you misunderstood what I wrote.

I simply asked why the march had been cancelled and stated unequivocally that understood the need for diversity. What I don't understand is the seemingly supercilious, dismissive and hostile tone. Perhaps your beef is with the author of the article, because nothing I wrote should have warranted such a response.

[flying_wahini]

68. Don't you think you have said this enough? We got it!

[lunatica]

73. You may get it but the OP evidently keeps

asking me the same question. I’m just giving the same answer.

I’m glad you get the point though.

[Autumn]

7. Do more outreach to get people which will reflect the community better? What are they

gonna do, beg them to join or pay them? That's kind of dumb. Either they care enough to make the effort or they don't.

[EffieBlack]

9. Or maybe the organizers can do a better job reaching out to diverse participants

You know, the way to order Dems are supposed to reach out to youunger people.

I have a feeling that, if we were talking about a march that lacked participation from young people, rather than people of color, saying, " What are they gonna do, beg them to join or pay them? That's kind of dumb. Either they care enough to make the effort or they don't" wouldn't go over too well ...

[Autumn]

12. It's an annual march not a new thing, not a suprise. If the people in the community don't

care enough to attend without being asked, why cancel it? The ones who want to attend or had planned to attend got screwed.

I have a feeling your new hobby is putting words in my posts that aren't there. You should stop doing that.

[EffieBlack]

33. Like elections - but we still expect folk to do outreach in order to get young people to vote

And people just aren't sitting around waiting with bated breath for the next women's march to roll around ...

FYI, the problem is not with people putting words in your posts... it's that you seem to have trouble remembering what you said in previous posts and yet get ticked off when people respond to your actual words ...

[Autumn]

34. It's an annual march. You want to continue a discussion from another thread do so there.

[Bradshaw3]

67. It's not a new hobby

[brush]

24. Also maybe try the obvious. Have it in a place that's easy to get to. Duh!

[ecstatic]

13. Effective outreach means the target audience is reached

and engaged. In this case, the outreach was ineffective, probably due to a lack of thought diversity on the team who planned the outreach. Either way, I wouldn't draw the conclusions that you did:

Either they care enough to make the effort or they don't.

[Autumn]

15. It's an annual march not a new thing. If people know and choose not to participate

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why does that make the planners ineffective?

[ecstatic]

18. So the perception is set in stone by now

The general public perceives the event as a "white" event and people of color may not feel welcome or comfortable attending. It happens.

[Autumn]

22. I'm a Latina and I go to marches here when they have them and I am able to attend.

I have never felt any woman's march was a "white" event. We are women.

[lunatica]

28. I agree

Drawing conclusions without considering all the facts is shoddy.

[not_the_one]

11. If something is done without your participation, and it is successful

You have, in effect, made yourself irrelevant.

These large events take time and effort. If the nationwide marches are large and successful, a followup march in March will be nothing more than a side bar, and will be lacking in a lot of the passion inspired by numbers and intensity.

Let's just cancel all protests planned, if only white people show up... Really. WHO NEEDS WHITE PEOPLE? Let's take it a step further.... This is a women's march. We sure don't want too many MEN to participate.

[Hekate]

17. This is out of Eureka, ffs.I clicked thinking it was Los Angeles or someplace that will get 100,000+

Or maybe even the Women's March in D.C.

I'm still trying to get the link to load properly, but I have to agree with other posters that you have created a very misleading post out of this news, jcmaine72.

[ecstatic]

20. Also, the disinformation has brought out the worst in a couple of

posters, smh. Mission accomplished?

[Hekate]

25. Well spotted

[lunatica]

29. I noticed too.

[Mosby]

31. the washington post article

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2018/12/30/california-womens-march-rally-canceled-over-concerns-that-it-would-be-overwhelmingly-white/

[Hekate]

35. Thanks, Mosby. As I suspected, Humboldt County is itself "overwhelmingly white"....

The WaPo article is in-depth, mentioning controversy in the wider world, and also noting that the Eureka March is not really connected to the national March, and will now aim for activities around International Women's Day and Martin Luther King Day later in the spring.

California's amazing diversity is not spread evenly through every city, farm, and hamlet. Descendents of original settlers certainly prevail in many parts. There's a college in Humboldt where you can a degree in forestry, and where the botany class requires identifying about a bajillion types of pine trees. And that's about all I know about Humboldt, and only because a friend of my son's applied to go to their college.

But the women of Eureka are apparently trying to do the right thing. Kudos, and I am sure they will work it out.

[jcmaine72]

39. No, it's just one other poster.

This is a news story posted by a credible news source. I merely asked a question. Was my question misleading, or the facts presented in the news article?

BTW, why does the march taking place in Eureka make it less important? I clearly stated in my OP (I think you and the other person who objected to my post missed this part) that I think it is vital that women's voices be heard now. Should they only be heard in D.C., LA, or New York?

[LanternWaste]

45. I dig how Bush Sr. cowered behind implication and plausible deniability

and still managed to push his narrative forward, and all the while alleged his purity, his righteousness and his innocence.

[jcmaine72]

50. What that has to do with the price of shish kebab in Sheboygan I guess I'll leave to those with

infinitely more ability to channel the dead than me.

[Demsrule86]

49. A Sinclair channel is not a credible news source. Again you should delete.

[jcmaine72]

53. Really? It's an ABC affiliate.

How about SFgate?

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/humboldt-eureka-womens-march-canceled-13498669.php

Are they credible?

[Demsrule86]

61. But it is still Sinclair.

I read the article and the post too...In fact here is a direct quote.

"Instead of pushing forward with crucial voices absent, the organizing team will take time for more outreach," the post read. "Our goal is that planning will continue and we will be successful in creating an event that will build power and community engagement through connection between women that seek to improve the lives of all in our community."

[jcmaine72]

64. In that case, I hope Sinclair never reports that water is wet, or that 2+2 equals 4.

I'd hate to see those things summarily dismissed as wild-eyed whimsy simply because they reported it.

[Demsrule86]

69. Anything reported by Sinclair is suspect. Do you know about them?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How America's largest local TV owner turned its news anchors into soldiers in Trump's war on the media: <a href="https://t.co/iLVtKRQycL">https://t.co/iLVtKRQycL</a> <a href="https://t.co/dMdSGellH3">pic.twitter.com/dMdSGellH3</a></p>— Deadspin (@Deadspin) <a href="

Link to tweet

?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The video is just the most recent example of Sinclair stations’ strong partisan tilt. A recent paper by Emory University political scientists Gregory Martin and Josh McCrain found that when Sinclair buys a local station, its local news program begin to cover more national and less local politics, the coverage becomes more conservative, and viewership actually falls — suggesting that the rightward tilt isn’t enacted as a strategy to win more viewers but as part of a persuasion effort.

A report from the Pew Research Center last year found that 37 percent of Americans say they frequently rely on local TV for news — not far behind the 45 percent of Americans who say they get news from Facebook, and ahead of the 33 percent who say they look at news websites and apps, the 28 percent who watch cable news, the 26 percent who watch national nightly news, and the 18 percent who still read print newspapers.

[Farmer-Rick]

19. That sounds so much like one of those fake news stories out of those

Fake right wing news sites.

But the site looks legitimate. I suspect there is a piece of the story that the reporter left out in order to spin her perspective.

I'll wait for verification before I take this article on face value.

[Demsrule86]

47. It is Sinclair.

[Farmer-Rick]

52. Figures..........thanks for letting me know

[Demsrule86]

62. The newspaper articles all site additional planning. Although if you go by Sinclair and don't read

the articles, you might not be aware of this.(Not saying you just people generally).

[Hekate]

21. This is Eureka in Humboldt County. You imply something of a much more significant population center

Why?

I'm all for discussing the decisions of some local group I never heard of, but you are misleading.

BTW, kudos to them for existing at all and being thoughtful.

[Demsrule86]

48. This station is a Sinclair station as I pointed out below...so it is not appropriate to post it

here.

[Hekate]

71. I appreciate your bringing up the Sinclair connection. They have an agenda, which explains...

...the slant of the news segment. Oddly (or not) the OP keeps defending his source.

[Demsrule86]

72. I posted a video where Sinclair spouts the White House talking points verbatim across all their

market. They are Soldiers for Trump. The OP hints that white people are being treated unfairly...doesn't exactly say so but ...the question should the march have been canceled-what else could it mean? It wasn't canceled although various headlines erroneously said it was...the articles stated that more planning was needed.

So nice to talk to you as always. I hope you had a wonderful Christmas and happy new year!!!! I wish you joy and peace.

[Hekate]

74. Happy new year to you too Demsrule!

Tha ks for the kind thoughts. My fervent wish for us all is for sanity to return to DC....

[Demonaut]

23. Soros needs to open his wallet to minority women too......"sarcasm"

[Mosby]

26. the WP article

While many of the Facebook group’s members applauded the organizers' efforts to diversify the rally, others expressed dissatisfaction with the decision.

“Local Organizers have let themselves be duped, What kind of crowd do they expect when you have 77.86% of the population being White?” group member Terri Selfridge commented on the post that announced the cancellation of the march. “Organizers PLEASE RECONSIDER!!!”

This is not the first time the Women’s March movement has faced questions about its racial makeup and inclusiveness. Excitement in the months leading up to the inaugural march in 2017 was damped by divisive discussions about race — particularly involving minority women and how issues important to them sometimes differed from those of their white counterparts.



Census Bureau data from July shows that Humboldt County is about 74 percent non-Hispanic white. Eureka Women’s March organizers did not respond to an email or phone call Sunday morning requesting comment on the decision.

In recent months, the Women’s March has tried to quell controversy surrounding its leadership. Some regional chapters have distanced themselves from the national group and its leaders, who have been called to step down over ties with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and accusations of anti-Semitism.

In a November Facebook post, Women’s March founder Teresa Shook called for the resignations of national co-chairs Bob Bland, Tamika Mallory, Carmen Perez and Linda Sarsour, adding that they have “steered the Movement away from its true course.”

Mallory, in particular, was criticized after she attended the Nation of Islam’s annual Saviours' Day event in Chicago this year, at which Farrakhan made statements about “powerful Jews” who he considered his enemies.

“In opposition to our Unity Principles, they have allowed anti-Semitism, anti-LBGTQIA sentiment and hateful, racist rhetoric to become a part of the platform by their refusal to separate themselves from groups that espouse these racist, hateful beliefs,” Shook wrote. " I call for the current Co-Chairs to step down and to let others lead who can restore faith in the Movement and its original intent.”

The Women’s March will return to Washington and other cities on Jan. 19.

[former9thward]

32. The Chicago Women's March was canceled amid controversy with the national leaders.

LOCAL ORGANIZERS HAVE canceled a women's march scheduled to take place in Chicago next month amid a growing controversy surrounding the national organization's relationship with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.

The cancellation comes amid a backlash from February remarks by Farrakhan in which he praised Tamika Mallory, co-founder of the national Women's March group, in a speech. Mallory has supported and publicly praised Farrakhan, who has a history of making anti-Semitic comments. In the same speech as the one in which he praised Mallory, Farrakhan said that "the powerful Jews are my enemy."

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2018-12-27/organizers-cancel-chicago-womens-march-amid-allegations-of-anti-semitism

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

36. What is the organizers' diversity target?

Humboldt county is about 85% caucasian, the rest mostly Hispanic and native american.

Do the organizers' objectives for the march excite the non-white population?

I'd vote for having the march, then figure out how to mobilize the non-white women in the county for next year's march.

Cancelling the march seems like a weak reaction.

[Demsrule86]

44. This is Sinclair...they have an agenda.

[Demsrule86]

43. The article is from a Sinclair owned affiliate...and you should delete... Not an honest article.

"WJLA-TV, virtual and VHF digital channel 7, is an ABC-affiliated television station licensed to the American capital city of Washington, District of Columbia. The station is owned by Hunt Valley, Maryland-based Sinclair Broadcast Group, which also operates local cable channel WJLA 24/7 News."

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=what+channel+is+wjla+on+comcast&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

[jcmaine72]

55. How about SFgate?

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/humboldt-eureka-womens-march-canceled-13498669.php

Newsweek?
https://www.newsweek.com/california-womens-march-cancelled-over-fears-participants-would-be-1274756

The Washington Post?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2018/12/30/california-womens-march-rally-canceled-over-concerns-that-it-would-be-overwhelmingly-white/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b5b3eec1fc87

So, did this really happen, or not? Is it whimsy...Make-believe? Does this mean the march is still a go, because I'd like to attend?

[Demsrule86]

60. Did you read the post article? The headline is deceptive as planning continues.

The March has been delayed in order to make it better according to the Post. I find this entire post misleading...perhaps not intentionally but misleading all the same

[jcmaine72]

63. Even the Post used the word canceled.

I'm only reacting to what's been reported. They're the ones choosing the words they print.

If the march's organizers are on record stating manifestly that the march is merely being postponed than that's precisely what the media should be reporting, not that the march has been canceled.

[cwydro]

65. Yeah, the post article seemed pretty clear to me.

[Demsrule86]

70. In the headline. Further reading shows planning continues.

And the original OP was from Sinclair.

[Demsrule86]

51. Canceled? No planning continues.

“Our goal is that planning will continue and we will be successful in creating an event that will build power and community engagement through connection between women that seek to improve the lives of all in our community,” the statement read."

[rzemanfl]

57. Waiting for that "post removed" person to respond.

I will wash socks while I wait.

[WeekiWater]

58. Something doesn't sound right here.

I have a feeling this is not accurate.

The county Eureka is in has less than a one percent black population. 85% white.

Look at the MLK march last year.

https://m.

[Blue_true]

66. The redo on the march to get a more diverse group of participants reflect our strength and peril.

The Republican Party is becoming more single race and temperament. The Democratic Party is becoming more diverse, with people that share roughly or exactly the same core values, but who have differences on things like speed of change, methods, ect. Our party will have even more challenges as former republicans that can no longer stomach their party join our right or centrist flanks.

Our much larger footprint present opportunity in that if we stay cohesive, we win easily. But it present challenges in that the diversity opens up more probability for differences to fester and be taken advantage of by anti change forces.