Please tell me the best way to trash Trump to a MAGA in 30 seconds

[Doodley]

I often meet Trump supporters. I married into a Republican family. Not that they are all Trumpers, but those who are, including friends of the family, think he is the best thing since sliced bread and all other views are fake news.

Conversations about Trump seem to be short, or short-tempered, because they have no facts, other than claiming he is making America great, Obama was terrible, and he is probably going to go down in history as the best president ever. I have learnt that they will not engage in a fact-based discussion, but I do sometimes get a chance to say what I think is wrong with the Trump presidency before things break down into insults and shouting.

If you were in this situation and you have a thirty second window to make your point, what would you say? What is the most powerful argument you can make against Trump in thirty seconds? I am not asking if I should bother or not, but I am asking for your advice in giving the strongest critique of Trump in no more than thirty seconds.

[Leith]

1. Remind them that chumpy's businesses invariably failed

Casinos, steaks, vodka, "university" - what kind of "successful businessman" bankrupts casinos in (at the time) the second largest gambling area in the country? If he is so great, why is it that no bank in the world that is not run by Russians will do business with him?

[elleng]

2. Good one, based on facts.

To the extent they're persuadable, facts are useful; if not, too bad. No trash talk.

[Doodley]

18. That last sentence is a very good point to make. Thank you.

[trueblue2007]

19. trump loser

[NoMoreRepugs]

32. Love the graphic. Wish I had it earlier to send as my Xmas card

to my Rethug relatives.

[Doodley]

37. Thank you. I have talked about his business failings, but the stock answer they use is that these

were businesses that used his name, but he wasn't actually responsible for running them.

[unblock]

44. The bankruptcies are his. He then switched to licensing his name, *because* he's a failure.

Banks wouldn't lend him money anymore to watch him live lavishly and let the business fail.

So he switched to a fee-based business model, just licensing his name to others.

Probably the most sensible business decision he's ever made, but one he was largely forced into because banks and investors recognized him as a horrible businessman.

[lamsmy]

46. You need follow up ammo...

First, ask to be heard out. It's a reasonable request and if someone won't listen to you, then they have just admitted they aren't interested in hearing facts that may shatter their little world of make believe. But if they agree to listen:
1. Every business person who ever had the misfortune to cross paths with the Trump Corp will tell you that Trump micromanaged every tiny detail of the business. Micromanaging is always a sign of poor business skills.

2. 3 of the 4 bankruptcies involved personal guarantees by Trump to the banks - no big corporation ever signs this kind of document precisely because it clearly links the individual to the business outcome. He was personally and inextricably linked to these business failures by his own declarations and to deny it now is ridiculous.

3. Both points 1 and 2 have been reported on numerous times over the years, well documented and his countersuits against these reports have failed 100% of the time. Anyone who doesn't that the time to read about or listen to these fact based accounts is wilfully ignoring mountains of evidence.

4. Finally, even if someone chooses to ignore all the evidence of Trump's failures as a businessman, think about this:
If you went into a bar and the guy on the stool next to you
- mocked a disabled person.
- next bragged, BRAGGED, about grabbing and assaulting women.
- and then continuously insulted and belittled the men and women serving in the armed forces..
YOU WOULD HATE THAT GUY.

Trump may be authentic, but he is an authentic prick. Why anyone want to support this jerk is beyond me.

[Doodley]

61. Thank you. Very good points.

Also, Trump bankruptcies have cost the taxpayers a minimum of five billion dollars (the same amount he demands for the wall right now).

https://www.quora.com/How-much-did-Trumps-6-bankruptcies-cost-American-taxpayers

[Judi Lynn]

69. Wonderful graphic! It reminds one of a strange question:

Why on earth did Trump try to make a fortune selling VODKA when his own brother had a tragic problem with alcohol, and Trump, himself, always brags that he has never used alcohol in his entire life?

Doesn't it really seem odd? I just realized it, looking at your graphic.

Thank you, trueblue2007.

[rusty quoin]

41. I thought about this one but never had the opportunity.

To ask one Trump supporter in a business how many times have you filed for bankruptcy. Trump did 6. What’s wrong with you? He is a very successful business person according to you. Of course it would be pointless anyways.

[Doodley]

64. Thank you. I have brought this up. I have heard it repeated that

"bankruptcies are a legitimate way of doing business. In fact it is very smart of him."

[rampartc]

49. deplorable answer to the bankruptcy charge :

"bankruptcy is a business strategy, and a smart one at that."

[Doodley]

65. Thank you. Yes, I have heard them say that many times. I think the

point about costing the taxpayer five billion dollars is a good one.

[Roland99]

3. Tell them simply...

He’s a loser

His businesses have all failed

He’s had to borrow money at higher rates from banks in Germany and Russia because no American bank will lend him money anymore

He’s a failure

He’s an act and they’re buying it

[Vinca]

4. Tell them what a shithead he was about Baron's dog. The kid wanted a dog and Don promised he could

have one if he became President. Then, goes without saying, Don reneged and there was no dog for Baron.

[ProudLib72]

27. Are you sure?

Then why is there this gif of Melanie with a dog?



Hey, the dog is doing something all of us wish we could.

[Vinca]

54. Read the Newsweek story.

https://www.newsweek.com/does-donald-trump-hate-dogs-why-would-he-do-692092

[ProudLib72]

59. He "just doesn't have time" for dogs

I think it's something else. Like Hitler had ailurophobia (fear of cats). There is something terribly wrong with Rump.

[Historic NY]

30. The kid could have used him.........

[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/animalia/wp/2016/12/06/meet-patton-the-goldendoodle-will-he-become-trumps-first-dog/?utm_term=.fbdfd43fc820|]

[dawg day]

5. "He is such a loser."

He is!

[UniteFightBack]

6. All I have been saying is that rump's corruption is going to be so vast that faux opinion channel

will be forced to cover it in full and there will be nowhere to hide. Most rumpers I know DO NOT want to talk about it. One I knew we would talk all the time, makes jokes - really it was a model of how deplorables and liberals can in fact get along. Well *ahem ahem* recently he said he doesn't feel like talking about it anymore. I just turned away and said OH YESSSSSS I DO UNDERSTAND - then turned around and chuckled my head off.

A customer called last week and wished me happy new year and I said oh yes you too this is gonna be one for the record books with all the coming indictments...and she said yes they'll be finally getting Hillary. I said welllllllllll Ms. Smith you may be disappointed with that considering rump's people are the ones getting indicted. It's like a lightbulb went off in her wooden little head.


It's gonna be a wonderful year folks.

[Doodley]

38. You give me some hope and comfort with that prediction at the top of your reply. Thank you.

[BobTheSubgenius]

7. I hate to say it, but I think you're going to come up dry on this mission.

Whether it's a well-reasoned critique of the vast ineptitude and malfeasance of his "administration," a litany of his business and personal failures, that he, his family and many others close to them are Thetans with reptilian DNA or irrefutable proof that he and his closest cadre regularly strangle puppies while sodomizing toddlers. the response is going to be the same.

Or one from a very short menu of retorts.

They either won't believe it, or pretend not to...or even accept it, but don't care.

[Beartracks]

10. Afraid you're right. They'll think the OP just fell prey to "liberal lies."

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[Doodley]

39. Thank you. You describe the situation of which I am trying to break through.

[SCantiGOP]

8. Only one thing I've found

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Take the previous five Presidents: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama. This covers the last 4 decades.
Now, name one that you would not choose over Trump to be Commander in Chief on 9-11.
They will think a bit but realize that they cannot make any plausible case for Trump instead of Clinton or Obama. If they try to reach back to Carter, remind them that he was an officer in the nuclear Navy and fully prepared to launch nuclear annihilation against our enemies if necessary.
Same exercise with JFK or Trump during the Cuban Missile Crisis will yield the same result.

[yonder]

21. A winner, unless they've already been infected with the DJT prion disease.

I'm stealing it anyway and thanks.

[Doodley]

40. Thanks, but they believe Trump would be best as he is toughest in standing up for America.

I have heard some of them say time and time again that he puts American security first. I imagine they would want him over any other president in a 9/11 situation.

[Initech]

9. Just tell them that a dome would be more effective than a wall.

Watch heads explode!

[underpants]

81. I heard on Fox News that Colin Kaepernick supports the wall

Your post - this immediately came to mind

There's a couple of things they don't teach you in Harvard Business School, one is how to cope with defeat, the other is how to handle a shotgun, I'm going to do both right now.

[Initech]

82. Ever try going mad without power? It's boring! No one listens to you!

[TlalocW]

11. Say

I used to call him President Pussygrabber, but I've dropped the grabber part since he's too big a snowflake to honor American veterans if it's sprinkling.

It's crass humor that makes a point and calls into question his manhood using words and the kind of words Trump and his most ardent supporters would use - these are things that will trigger the snowflakes.

TlalocW

[Doodley]

42. I thank you for your reply, but they all say that the

pussy grabbing quote is just locker room talk that every man engages in. I tell them that I do not talk like that. Their reply is that I am an exception. The thing about the rain and the hair is a good point and I think I can use that when the subject of Trump rears its very ugly head.

[allgood33]

12. "Trump doesn't really care about you, he really doesn't respect you.That's why he lies to your faces

He thinks you all are suckers and laughs at you behind your backs. He'll invite you to a rally but not to Mar-a-logo"

[Judi Lynn]

70. Good one! Clearly, it's true. He panders to people struck dumb by fear, but disrespects them.

He's all about "appearance," and there's no way in hell he'd want any of these half-wits strolling around in his resort/golf hotels.

[stopwastingmymoney]

78. That might be the best one

[dlk]

13. If He Can't Run a Charity, He Can't Run a Country

[Doodley]

43. Thanks. I agree, but by saying that invites them to repeat all the

lies about the Clinton foundation. I have lost count how many times they have brought up Clinton's charity in the worst possible way.

[Hoyt]

14. Don't trash trump, trash them for being ignorant white wing racists.

Without their votes, there would be no Prez trump.

[Ponietz]

52. Agreed

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These people merit open contempt and public scorn.

[Doodley]

72. That is what I want to avoid. Insulting them will not achieve anything.

[Lochloosa]

15. So, how is you 401K doing?

[Girard442]

16. There's only bad news, I'm afraid.

Nobody anywhere, anytime has made a case against Trump a hundredth part as devastating as the man's own words. Trump supporters know exactly who he is and they love him for it.

[Arkansas Granny]

17. You could trash Trump for 30 seconds, 30 minutes or 30 hours with no results.

If they are still MAGA after seeing him in action for the past two years, there's probably nothing you can do to make them turn away from him now.

[Baltimike]

20. Work "Just grab 'em by the pussy" into your comments, and then call them a disgrace.

Bring up integrity and that you stand with the military, who maintain that Russia hacked our election and that you take a hard pass at treason. Then tell them if they love Putin more than they love America, they can get the eff out of your house.

Too harsh?

[lastlib]

33. "You support tRump? How do you explain it to your daughter?"

The ones I've tossed that to have never been able to answer it very well.

[NotASurfer]

22. Americans should put our army where America wants. Not Turks,

not Koreans, not Arabs, not Russians. We need to kick that foreigner-loving SOB out and get a President who puts America first

I'm internationally putting things in language MAGAts use, for sake of sowing confusion. I figure they'll agree with America first

At that point, sometimes, either they have to discard Trump, or discard America first

[Doodley]

60. Thank you. You make good points.

[jmowreader]

23. "Trump already grabbed your bump stock. He'll grab your gun next."

[Historic NY]

31. He tends to grab things.....

[akraven]

24. Since I'm in a very red state -

I've found the fastest way is to puke on their boots...….

[Raine]

25. I wouldn't waste my time

even trying.

[at140]

26. Tell them that the First Lady is an illegal immigrant

and Baron Trump is therefore in-eligible to run for president.

[Qutzupalotl]

28. The Helsinki Surrender.

That was his most obvious low point. It polled terribly.

Trump took Putin’s word over American intelligence agencies, who all said Russia interfered in our election. Putin even admitted he helped Trump get elected, while they were both standing there. Trump refused to press Putin not to attack us again. He displayed cowardice. Then the next day, when he saw that people were disgusted, he lied about his statement and pretended that he forgot to say “not!”

He always praises fascist dictators, calling them “strong.” He disses our allies, calling them weak. Donald Trump is an enemy of freedom.

If that doesn’t work, remind them that Trump passed code-level intelligence secrets to two Russian operatives in the Oval Office when he thought no one was looking, endangering embedded allies.

If none of that works, remind them he promised that Mexico would pay for the wall, now he wants you and me to pay for it.

[Butterflylady]

55. In other words, he's a Russian asset.

[Doodley]

73. Thank you for your great suggestions. I will include that in my arguments.

[applegrove]

29. The GOP get you financially anxious so you'll vote on emotion. Then you

don't use your head to vote. And when they win elections unions continue to disappear, and college loan debt to blows up and tax cuts continue to go to the rich so there is nothing left for common sense health care. So your financial anxiety gets even worse. Then Trump comes along and appeals purely to your anger and emotions and other mental short cuts. You are being wound up. And then they rip the cord come election time. Then you fall for it again.

[Doodley]

74. Thank you. You are right. They have been manipulated. They think there is a crisis at the southern

border, for example, only because Trump has created one in their minds.

[applegrove]

76. Yes. He created the imprisoned children emergency and the dreamer emergency

so he would have bargaining power. Both were not issues before he became President.

[myohmy2]

34. MAGA Man...

...is a habitual liar...I can never tell if he's telling the truth...not a good thing to have in a leader that has his finger on the nuclear button...

...MAGA Man doesn't seem very intelligent or informed yet he refuses to take sound advice from professional and governmental experts...he puts more credence in his 'gut' feelings than he does facts...that's dangerous

...MAGA Man (and most MAGAphiles I know) are amoral at best, immoral at worst...not very worthy of respect or leadership...

...I am basically in the same situation as you...my trumpkins want to believe so badly in MAGA Man that they are unwilling and incapable of accepting reality...

...but I still encourage them to try...

[Doodley]

77. Thank you. You make good points. I am sorry you face the same

situation, but glad you are not giving up on them.

[gratuitous]

35. He told the troops he was giving them a 10% raise

First, he doesn't have that power. The troops are getting a 2.8% raise in 2019, less than a third of what Trump was bragging about. Trump lied right to the troops' faces, and Republicans didn't say a word about it.

[duforsure]

48. I agree

He intentionally lied to the people in OUR military about past raises , and the one they're getting now, and knew it . That should by itself be enough to turn any member in the military against him. HE'll do that to them again if he gets into a major situation also, so they can't trust him , ever, to tell the truth.

[oasis]

36. Trump was emphatic. "Mexico will pay for the fence". Huge promise.

No excuses.

[LuvLoogie]

47. Just say "Fuck that whiny grifter bigot." and be done with it.

Then say, "You trump chumps think he's the best because he's just like you, but with money. You look at his ass and see the sunrise.

"You walked into the bog of eternal stench with fair warning and on purpose. Our descendants will incredulously ask at Thanksgiving, 'Wow, did great, great Uncle Joe really vote for donald trump?!'

Ridicule with a smile, then hand them a fresh beer

Don't get angry. Just poke at them with how kind the world is to keep feeding them.

If they try to engage you further say, "Oh please, you voted for trump, still support him, and would vote for him again."

[beachbum bob]

50. I always ask how do I explain trump's

pussy grabbing comment to my grand daughters.....they usually STFU

[vlyons]

51. ask if they are willing to $100 on it

Say -- 1. 17 criminal investigations now in process and 2. 5 of Trump's aides now admitted and convicted felons tell you everything you need to know about Trump's character.

[IADEMO2004]

53. Piss on their shoes and tell them you support tRump too.

[sharedvalues]

56. "Two kinds of Republicans: billionaires, and suckers"

Republicans put a $2 trillion tax cut for billionaires on a credit card. You and your kids are going to pay that back. Fox won’t tell you that. Don’t be a sucker. Dems are the party of working people.


(Just about 30s total.)

[JHB]

57. Advice: Your real target is the bystanders, not the MAGArons, if there are any.

If you're ever going to get through to a Trump fan, it won't happen in 30 seconds. They're having too much fun despising the things and people they like to despise, and love that he's such a public amplifier for them. They won't turn until something smacks them right in the face, and maybe not even then.

But you can pitch these "arguments" with the fan club to deliver the facts to bystanders who could be reachable. Don't bring them into it unless they volunteer, but just work at planting seeds where they can sprout. Which is usually not the brick walls.

[KentuckyWoman]

75. This eom

[Iterate]

58. Use numbers, solid numbers.

It will leave them slack-jawed and drooling.

When they come back with a Foxism, as they will, tell them you know where that idea came from, and that nearly everyone else in the world knows it's not true, because {survey numbers} and that's 6 billion vs. 40 million.

They'll reply that they don't care what anyone else in the world thinks, then remind them that half of the rest of the world is smarter than the average American.

That's about all of the doubt they can take in one sitting.

[roamer65]

63. Agent Orange.

[malaise]

66. Show him this and laugh

https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/donald-trump-is-apparently-the-expert-on-everything-according-to-him

[Bad Thoughts]

67. Trump lost the Cold War for USA

He repeatedly kowtows to Russian policy makers.
He freely shares US intelligence secrets with foreign agents.
He failed to respond to a Kremlin-approved attack by Russian mercenaries against American soldiers in Syria.
At times, he tells generals im Afghanistan not to pursue terrorists.

[Adrahil]

68. My go to...

“I’m sorry you voted for a reality TV con man who had to settle a fraud lawsuit for $25 million dollars, and who paid pornstars hush money and lied about it over and over. It must be hard having been taken in by such an obvious fraud.”

They never know what to say.

[Hotler]

71. When they get done spewing thier shit

smile at them and say "well bless your heart." and walk away.

[underpants]

79. Good one

[underpants]

80. Simply ------- Have you considered that you are being lied to?

You can add the hard or soft intro:

Hard
As a fully grown adult, has it crossed your mind that you are being lied to?

Softer
You've been around, raised a family, worked hard, have you ever stopped to considered that someone may be lying to you?

This covers Trump AND their media.

[doc03]

83. I don't think it can be done they will dismiss anything you

say as "fake news" "lies" or just call you a "libtard". Its a waste of time.

[disambiguation]

84. How about this?

Trump is a traitor, he sold out to Russia. He's a traitor to America, a traitor to the American people, a traitor to the military, a traitor to the flag and a traitor to the constitution. Do you know who supports traitors? Other traitors. From then on, anything they say you reply something like that's just what I would expect a traitor to say or spoken like a true traitor. Then you can look at them and silently mouth TRAITOR. Use this only if you really want to royally piss them off. It'll probably kill a relationship.

[LuckyLib]

85. Shake your head ruefully and say "I can't believe a thinking and literate person could be taken in

by such a con artist and his supporters."

[lunatica]

86. Wait until they don't get the tax break they are counting on

then let them know who is really getting the tax break.

You should be able to arm yourself with plenty of proof between now and then. DU will have plenty of links to stories about what the 1% are raking in. Print some out where the headlines tell the stories because they probably won’t read the articles.

Any argument you use has to be one that affects them personally became they don’t care about anyone else.

[bubbazero]

87. dont even try

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the challenge you face in trying to trash trump to maga in 30 seconds is akin to trying to trash Jesus or any other religious figure to a confirmed believer in said religion. Consider how you would respond if someone was trying to trash your religious belief ( including atheist or agnostic ) Facts do not apply, logic does not apply, the scientific method does not apply; it's all worthless in an argument based on emotion and faith. Consider instead the message-MAGA Make America Great Again. Ask them to explain when and how America Stopped being great when 1. the declaration of independence has not been altered recently 2. The constitution has not been amended recently 3. The unalienable rights of Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness still apply 4. The Bill of Rights has not been amended, voided, or altered. 5. We still have the legal guarantees of ALL citizens receiving equal protection under the 14th amendment. If you get a glassy eyed blank stare score yourself 5 bonus point. If you get the usual rambling bullshit answer then interrupt, and ask how THEY define a country's greatness. When the bullshit continues, which it will, interrupt and ask where they learned this, and have they ever even heard of American Exceptionalism. When they reply no they they haven't- inform them when they understand more of this then and only then will you discuss American Greatness again.