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Here are the 15 Democrats who didn't vote for Pelosi as speaker (Original Post) mobeau69 Jan 2019 OP
That is their right, but to vote for someone not even running or desiring that position makes me still_one Jan 2019 #1
It's contemptuous, in my opinion. octoberlib Jan 2019 #2
Pretty accurate characterization still_one Jan 2019 #13
Exactly...they were influenced by right-wing talking points unitedwethrive Jan 2019 #6
This has to be true for some, and of course right wing does include Hortensis Jan 2019 #22
So Seth Moulton , after causing all this shit, voted for her. octoberlib Jan 2019 #3
Surely not Tim Ryan too ???? OnDoutside Jan 2019 #17
He wasn't one of the 15 who voted against her, so unless he didn't vote at all, octoberlib Jan 2019 #19
Yes, but this sexist and partisan "shit" has always been hers to contend with. Hortensis Jan 2019 #23
Pelosi won she is speaker. rurallib Jan 2019 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Jan 2019 #24
You got THAT right! MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #30
Great showing for Pelosi. NT WeekiWater Jan 2019 #5
Lost the speakership four years ago? Jane Austin Jan 2019 #7
Good catch. Looks like they updated it but they didn't note the update. mobeau69 Jan 2019 #15
It's their right lunatica Jan 2019 #8
Absolutely!! This is a true witch Hunt on our side. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2019 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author mobeau69 Jan 2019 #16
Pelosi does not forget, enjoy your basement offices and shit assignments. sunonmars Jan 2019 #9
I think that she is above that. She likely will mentor some of them. nt Blue_true Jan 2019 #26
Thanks, I need to narrow my list for campaign contributions. nt oasis Jan 2019 #10
Some of them only won because they said they would stand up to Pelosi. haele Jan 2019 #11
I'm believing that is the case......... MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #31
I kind of like the Stacey Abrams and John Lewis votes * MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #14
I don't care... cynatnite Jan 2019 #18
Some did it because they ran on it...two years from now they must be re-elected. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #20
Thanks for the reminder. I forgot about that. n/t cynatnite Jan 2019 #21
Cut them some slack. They kept a campaign pledge with no damage done. Blue_true Jan 2019 #25
I think the issue is why Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #27
Good point. But getting a majority means there will be districts where such a promise carries Blue_true Jan 2019 #28
Very true Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #32
We will find out. I trust them to do the right thing. Blue_true Jan 2019 #33
So what? She's not Trump; she can handle democracy. LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #29
And Nancy is perfectly fine with it. She needs the members and their votes on key issues. Yavin4 Jan 2019 #34

still_one

(92,055 posts)
1. That is their right, but to vote for someone not even running or desiring that position makes me
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 03:25 PM
Jan 2019

question their critical thinking skills

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. This has to be true for some, and of course right wing does include
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 04:53 PM
Jan 2019

some in the Democratic Party and even perhaps something in a few of them.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Yes, but this sexist and partisan "shit" has always been hers to contend with.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 05:23 PM
Jan 2019

Notably, many self-identified Democrats are part of it, hostile to and insisting on removal of the 1 woman among the 8 or 12 top congressional leaders, depending on how you choose to count them. In the "Year of the Woman" yet! Moulton's more an effect than cause, with much more pernicious influences finding fertile ground in mindless foolishness, ignorance Moulton-type misogyny, and/or conservative leanings, helped by big doses of hypocrisy.

Noting that Pelosi's powerful efforts literally helped elect most or all of those who spoke and/or voted against her. How many of them realized she's very strongly liberal and progressive and did that anyway? I fully expect some of those who campaigned on being more progressive to turn out to be less in action.

As for Moulton and others, apparently they either made the deals they intended before, or at least were given something to take away. I'd like to think some were persuaded that voting against could mean losing their heads in future but guessing it was the first.

Response to rurallib (Reply #4)

MyOwnPeace

(16,909 posts)
30. You got THAT right!
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 09:11 PM
Jan 2019

It just so happens opportunities like that don't come along that often..........

Jane Austin

(9,199 posts)
7. Lost the speakership four years ago?
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 03:35 PM
Jan 2019

More like eight years ago. She lost it in the Tea Party landslide in 2010, because they didn't like Obamacare.

Really, Roll Call. That's just sloppy.

Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #12)

haele

(12,628 posts)
11. Some of them only won because they said they would stand up to Pelosi.
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 03:41 PM
Jan 2019

She counted her votes, and let them vote against her because that's good strategy - they can say "look, we didn't vote for her" to their constituents, and they can still get their committee positions and help their wrong-headed constituents who apparently only have Faux news to get their information from.
It's one of the reasons she is one of the best Speakers in memory - she understands the true Art of the Deal.
Despite her losses - and Speakers always have losses, due to the nature of the House as a more populist organization - there are few members of House party leadership that have accomplished as much as she has - with the Media spotlight she is constantly under, being both a woman and a Liberal.

That spotlight would have destroyed most of the recent GOP House leadership if it had ever been pointed their way for more than a few days. And yet, she thrives.

Haele

MyOwnPeace

(16,909 posts)
31. I'm believing that is the case.........
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 09:14 PM
Jan 2019

however, others are correct in stating that we do need to watch future moves. We've lost opportunities in the past when small groups of "our" people elected to veer away from the party line just to attend more to their own agenda.

MaryMagdaline

(6,850 posts)
14. I kind of like the Stacey Abrams and John Lewis votes *
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 03:52 PM
Jan 2019

*Probably voted that way only because they knew she was going to win.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
18. I don't care...
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 04:18 PM
Jan 2019

They were protest votes. Nothing more. There will be more important votes ahead that we need to watch, IMO.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
28. Good point. But getting a majority means there will be districts where such a promise carries
Thu Jan 3, 2019, 08:48 PM
Jan 2019

weight. I prefer to see how they Legistlate over the next two years.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
32. Very true
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:34 AM
Jan 2019

My concern is if they are so willing to pander by making such a trivial promise to get elected, how will they vote on specific bills.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
33. We will find out. I trust them to do the right thing.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:48 PM
Jan 2019

They ran for the right reasons, in districts where victory for them was a pretty long shot. I will give them time to show what they are.

Yavin4

(35,406 posts)
34. And Nancy is perfectly fine with it. She needs the members and their votes on key issues.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:53 PM
Jan 2019

Whatever they gotta do to flip a district, go ahead and do it. Ted Kennedy was famous for letting his colleagues run against him if it meant another Democrat in the Senate.

Nancy does not have Trump's ego. Most people don't.

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