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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez responds to Whoopi's request that she sit back


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Reply Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez responds to Whoopi's request that she sit back (Original post)
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:49 PM

1. one thing's for sure she isn't taking any crap from anyone....

kinda like that really.

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:55 PM

9. No shrinking violet she. n/t

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:00 PM

79. i like that too - she responded perfectly

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Response to onetexan (Reply #79)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:09 PM

103. a polite and appropriate response

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:49 PM

2. k&r

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:50 PM

3. Put the microphone down, Whoopi.

And listen.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:25 PM

29. You sure put Whoopie in her place.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #29)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:48 PM

73. I am certain that Whoopi's self esteem will not suffer.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:51 PM

4. I can appreciate why she was defensive in her response, but...

I think she still needs to appreciate that not all criticism nor expressed concern is meant to attack her.

There is a difference between comments emanating from someone like Whoopi Goldberg and that from Sean Hannity and his ilck. I'd hope she'd treat comments from these opposite polls a bit differently.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:53 PM

5. In other words, you want her to sit back

 

And not respond to Whoopi's empty advice.

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Response to Yosemito (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:54 PM

8. Exactly NOT what I said nor what I think. I do NOT appreciate your putting words in my "mouth"

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:16 PM

21. Funny how anyone who expresses less than slavish devotion to AOC

 

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is immediately accused of telling her to sit down and shut up.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:10 PM

56. I can appreciate why you were defensive in your response, but...

I think you still need to appreciate that not all criticism nor expressed concern is meant to attack you.

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Response to eggplant (Reply #56)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:14 PM

59. Thank you for "playing"... Your Mom's calling now...

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Response to Yosemito (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:28 PM

33. Translation

 

You're pretty angry at Whoopi for disagreeing with you about AOC. Your didn't find the advice "empty."

And she's not the enemy;







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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:54 PM

6. You are charcterizing this as defensiveness. Frankly, she's just making a solid case for why she

 


won't and shouldn't shut up. She heard the criticism or "advice" from Whoopi and responded appropriately.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:54 PM

7. Whoopie's not a "pol"

And really, I didn't find it all that defensive. Explanatory would be a better word.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:08 PM

13. What specifically leads you allege "defensive in her response?"

 

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:09 PM

15. What the heck does Goldberg know about politics and being in office?

Let AOC do her job. How about that?

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:14 PM

18. Like all of us here, she has the right to her opinion. Whoopi is not malicious nor a RWer

Get a clue. Sometimes our best allies may disagree with us or our approach. That doesn't make the correct nor does it make them the enemy. But, it MIGHT, just MIGHT offer something useful if we don't conflate it with that from our obvious enemies.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:25 PM

30. Sure she does. But let's not pretend that Whoopi knows the job better than AOC.

Because she doesn't. The only thing she has going for her in this regard is her age. And no experience to go along with it in Congress. So, ultimately, who cares what she thinks. AOC was elected for a pretty clear purpose. She's doing that. DU should love that, but for some reason, many don't seem to.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:28 PM

32. You don't have to care about what anyone thinks. But obviously, you do, given your need to disparage

whoopi in such an ugly way. To wit: "The only thing she has going for her in this regard is her age." Damn, how ugly.

I like and respect AOC. Her most fervent fans, however seem incapable of defending her without attacking even her natural allies.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:34 PM

37. AOC does not know the job yet.

And I don't see how she will learn the job unless she sits down and listens, like most of the other freshman Congresspeople seem to be doing.

She was elected for a clear purpose? I doubt that the purpose was to be in the limelight every day. The purpose was to legislate.

I wanted to like this woman. She makes that tougher every day.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:44 PM

42. Neither does Whoopie. So why listen to her?

AOC has a two year term. What percentage of that term do you think she should spend sitting down and listening?

So, how about a thought experiment. Let's say Clinton won the Presidency. Let's say right after taking office some guy on TV who has never held a political office said that Clinton should just calm down and learn the job first before doing anything. How would that go over here?

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:01 PM

51. And neither do you.

Why listen to you? Why are you allowed to have an opinion, on a political discussion board, of all places.

Why vote? None of us know anything about holding office. Why bother?

As far as what people say or have said about Clinton, plenty of people told her to sit down and shut up after 45 "won."

One of them was a guy who pimps his numerous books on late night television. He had just written a book about politics that was a YA book. He was on Colbert. He said that yes, Mrs. Clinton should go home and be quiet. Those were the words: be quiet.

The guy saying this was Bernie Sanders.

I don't understand why so many people here are defensive about this woman. Other Democratic office holders are criticized here without causing all the defensiveness.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #51)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:11 PM

57. Of course I don't

AOC absolutely shouldn't listen to me. Unless it's about English or Communication where I hold degrees.

Pretty big jump there to voting, though. I can vote because I know what policies I want and I (theoretically) know what policies the person I'm voting for will advocate.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #51)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:11 PM

88. Which is why, unlike Whoopie, she's not giving advice to AOC. n/t.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #88)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:45 PM

99. People on this board regularly offer opinions as to what Pelosi, Schumer, Warren, B.Sanders, etc etc

should be doing, without any of those offering opinions having a lick of experience in doing what those folks do.

And that's fine.

Which is why it's fine that Whoopi offers her opinion. One can disagree with it, but if the standard for rejecting opinions is that the person offering it doesn't have the same experience as the person at whom the opinion is directed, this board would dry up and blow away.

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Response to onenote (Reply #99)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:57 PM

122. Here's the difference: The people on this board don't have

national name recognition in addition to a national microphone.

That said, Whoppie G. has a right to her opinion, and the public has a right to question her level of expertise on the subject and subsequently evaluate the value of that opinion. That's about the beginning and end of it.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #51)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:45 PM

98. This

All this, thank you murielm.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:01 PM

49. On the job learning.

So glad that the oranges ass sat back and learned the job before he made himself the limelight. Be Best!

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #49)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:03 PM

52. What does 45 have to do with

legitimate criticism of a freshman Congress person?

Be best yourself, dearie.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:29 PM

64. Totally agree with you

AOC has rubbed me the wrong way since she campaigned with Sanders for Brent Welder. Not to mention that she DOES get her facts wrong. She keeps that and jumping into the limelight constantly up and the Sarah Palin comparison will stick.

Whoopi has every right to give her opinion about ANY politician. The View is an opinion talk show. And Whoopi constantly gives her two cents about Trump and how (horrific) he's doing as POTUS. So, it's fair game for her to offer advice to AOC.

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #64)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:37 PM

68. It is interesting how real discussion stops

and ad hominem attacks start whenever anyone criticizes AOC. It does not have to be Whoopi. It can be a DU member, a member of the press, anyone at all.

This woman is not above criticism. No one is.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #68)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:47 PM

71. Yes... and sadly...

there is a level of sycophancy not typical among those on the Left, but far more reminiscent of the blind loyalty of many on the "right" .

I am all for supporting our Dems, but I'd hope we can do so without blinders on. Constructive criticism is not "attacking".

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #71)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:03 PM

163. Now, apparently, no one

is allowed to criticize AOC unless they are a member of Congress. Nobody knows the job but members of Congress, so we all have to shut up!!!

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #68)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:52 PM

74. Well

Without starting WWII on this forum, I'd argue that this is the MO of the more progressive crowd. They are pertinaciously determined to protect their causes and those who they believe will enact change. I feel as though Bernie Sanders has been defended way too aggressively on more than one occasion as well.

AOC holds promise but only if she learns the job and doesn't immediately keep pushing radical change out the gate, change she can't yet legislate. I don't view that as criticism of her, just a realistic take.

CEOs have been "resigned" within a year of being hired for trying to pull companies too far in a new direction too fast or without respecting institutional norms and knowledge. So, no one should be shocked that there is already a chorus of voices (some odious, some innocuous) calling on her to learn the ropes. Totally expected.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:57 PM

75. I agree. For someone who was elected as the youngest woman ever elected to Congress, her youth is

showing. I don't doubt her intelligence, but she doesn't know everything at her age. I want her to succeed because when she succeeds, she contributes to the Democratic Party's success, and vice versa. But she was sent to Washington to do the people's business; not perform for the cameras. She's one of 435 voting members of the House and should be proud of her accomplishments. But she can learn a lot from the women who are already there, so I hope she will reach out to some of the older women Representatives and vice versa and not presume that they have nothing to offer because they've been there too long.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:06 PM

86. I bet she knows it better than Whoopie..

She may 'need to listen", to someone, but not to Whoopie Goldberg.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #86)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:21 PM

105. I bet she knows the job better than everyone that's saying she needs to learn the job

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:11 PM

104. You all know the job well enough to assure everyone that AOC doesn't know the job?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #104)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:43 AM

139. That is not the argument.

That is not what I said, or what anyone else said. SHE is the one who needs to listen and learn. We don't need to learn the job, because we are not newly elected Congress people. It is about what she needs to do, not us.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #139)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:49 AM

140. That obviously is the argument

 

If you're so sure she doesn't know, then that must mean you do know. Otherwise how would you know she doesn't know?

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Response to melman (Reply #140)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:51 AM

141. Go twist someone else's words.

I don't have time for you.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #139)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:27 AM

150. That's exactly the argument you and others are making. She needs to keep quiet and learn, she

needs to sit down and learn she needs to listen and learn. That's the argument being used against her. Yeah you're not newly elected Congress people, she is. And she knows the job more than anyone here that is saying over and over that she needs to listen and learn.

edited to add

Unless of course we have a lot of Congresspeople that post here incognito that know the job better than her and have the knowledge of the job to say they know she needs to sit down and learn Oh who am I kidding sour grapes are not fine wine.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:00 PM

117. If being a Member of Congress were the prerequisite to expressing an opinion or

 

offering advice to any Member, a whole lot of people around here would have to STFU.

And if the degree to which someone knows what it's like to be in Congress were the only factor determining credibility, AOC's one week on the job wouldn't give her any basis for criticizing or questioning longer serving Members who surely know considerably more about the job than she does.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #117)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:58 PM

130. People can say whatever they want. Doesn't mean we have to praise them like they know something.

If I say something here, people agree and disagree with me. I have as much knowledge of being Representative as Whoopi does. Probably more given that my minor for my Master's was Poli Sci. Which still amounts to basically nothing.

AOC has two years in office. Less than that left. What percentage of that term should she shut and listen for in your opinion? When can she start talking?

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #117)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:52 AM

142. +1000000, Effie.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:00 PM

81. Oh!

So she stayed in a Holiday Inn Express recently?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:13 PM

16. Why would you even mention Whoopie and Hannity in the same sentence?





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Response to pangaia (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:15 PM

20. Really? Given some here are taking her benign criticism the same as Hannity's.... Really?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:19 PM

26. Discussing her 'benign' criticism vs other Democrats' criticisms is a much better comparison.


And more worthy of discussion.
Who gives a fuck what the likes of Hannity say.

Nor me, that;s for sure.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:20 PM

27. the knee-jerk attacks on Whoopi demonstrate the point...

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:15 PM

19. Actually I think her response to Whoopi's was not insulting in the least

She explained what her motivation is. It was even respectful.

Unlike Whoopie’s comment calling Ocasio-Cortes a “poopy” mouth.

I’m old enough to remember lots of people being critical of Whoopi when she first started her career as a comedienne. They didn’t like the way she dressed or the way she wore her hair and many claimed she was giving a very bad image of Black women. I distinctly recall she was a guest on a talk show and someone on the phone told her how she should dress and the damage she was causing.

I guess she’s forgotten.

This in no way makes me dislike Whoopi who I think has done a great job.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:17 PM

23. In no place nor manner did I say it (AOC's tweet) was "insulting".

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:57 PM

43. I think she handled it very well

I have been waiting for someone to speak-up
I thought Obama would but he really didn't
if her constituents don't like it she will be gone soon enough

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:12 PM

58. Yes, her response doesn't match what Whoopi was saying,

which just makes Whoopi’s case again.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #58)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:55 PM

115. I am starting to suffer from AOC fatigue.

Experienced many over the years who showed up and knew it all. Best course of action was just to let them fashion their own petard and watch the hoisting. She shows that narcissism can infect both ends of a spectrum.

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Response to aka-chmeee (Reply #115)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:06 PM

118. I'm suffering more from AOC fan fatigue than actual fatigue of her

 

She's feeling her way and occasionally leans too far out over her skis, which is to be expected and is fine as long as she's willing to learn. Some of her fans are just bizarre in their slavish devotion and kneejerk, over-the-top reactions to anything they see as less than worship of their hero. I just hope she's not letting them influence how she does her job or she'll end up as just a "Remember Her?" flash-in-the-pan instead of the strong, exciting leader she has the potential to be.

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Response to aka-chmeee (Reply #115)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:06 PM

119. I'm with you.

The ball is in her court. She says she can do something. Do something.

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Response to aka-chmeee (Reply #115)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:29 AM

151. PLEASE watch her interview with Rachel last night - it was anything but

"narcissistic".

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #58)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:58 PM

116. I'd like to know how you figure that

Whoopi said she needs to sit down and be quiet and learn the system.

AOC said she was elected to cause change now-not sit back and learn how the system - that her constituents evidently don’t like - works. I have no idea how this is not a proper response.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:06 PM

85. I agree with you.

and there's no reason why AOC should not do exactly as she stated here and follow Whoopi's advice at the same time.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:29 PM

134. Well said, I agree

Thanks👏

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:17 AM

148. She wasn't defensive at all.

Quite the opposite actually.

Whoopi should mind her own house better before criticizing others.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:04 PM

10. We need fighters!!! What else is there to say? nt

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:06 PM

11. + 1,000,000

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:07 PM

12. Thank you Congresswoman!

maybe those telling you to listen need to do some listening themselves.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:59 PM

46. I've been saying that for the longest time...

Even Kamala Harris said this morning on The View that she thought it was good that AOC was challenging the status quo, and she thinks that its fantastic. I hope Whoopi was paying attention.



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Response to Stellar (Reply #46)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:04 PM

54. Yep me too.

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Response to Stellar (Reply #46)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 11:29 PM

138. Is it mandatory that all Republican teevee pundits be overweight?

Asking for a friend who thinks that might just be bad for their health and a poor role model for kids.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:08 PM

14. You go girl

Rec

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:13 PM

17. weird vocab

Organize the election? New leaders? You're a representative not a leader.

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:17 PM

24. At least you found something.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:21 PM

28. He gets a "A" for effort.

Whoopi just falsely implies that AOC "pooped" on senators Lewis and Feinstein with little pushback.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:29 PM

34. Sit back and learn the vocabulary!

 

They’re trying.

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:18 PM

25. It's short for "elected leaders". Surely you've heard this phrase

before, yes?

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Response to John Fante (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:06 PM

55. I've never voted for a leader in my life

 


I've voted for lots of elected officials.

I've never voted for, nor wanted, a "leader".

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #55)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:57 PM

76. That's nice.

It is common to use words like "leaders", "elected leaders", or "appointed leaders" to describe elected/unelected officials. "Leader of the free world" is commonly used to describe the POTUS as well.

It is the height of nitpicking to criticize AOC for using the word "leader" in a tweet. You may as well attack her for her Breakfast Club dance.

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Response to John Fante (Reply #76)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:00 PM

80. When did I criticize or attack anyone?

 


I like AOC, but I don't givashit who uses the word "leader". I never voted for one.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:17 PM

22. Brava!

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:26 PM

31. Well said AOC!

Bravo!!!

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:32 PM

35. she is a fighter; I wish more dems would be like her

she never lets snabs against her unchallenged; She is a rising superstar and future of our party. Fearless, bold, highly educated on important issues and most, perharps, most important - politically savvy cause she connects directly to voters bypassing everyone.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:25 PM

169. Agreed in full!

 

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:33 PM

36. Joan of Arc leading the charge...

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:34 PM

38. I usually love Whoopi's perspective, but she's out of her lane.

 

Probably for the same reason Cenk went after that Vermont newspaper that told Bernie not to run.
I think some of these people should STFU and let THE PEOPLE decide what WE want.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:34 PM

39. AOC is "introducing" herself to the nation.

She's being forced to show who and what she is, so she has three choices:

One, don't respond at all. Sends one message.

Two, respond in a politically correct or timid matter. Sends a different message.

Three, respond the way she's doing it. Sends still a different message.

She's made her choice as to message. She may refine it as time passes, but IMHO, she's doing exactly what she needs to do right now.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:39 PM

40. your class was elected primarily to oppose Trump

it was a referendum on him.

I'm sure there are individual races that might have had individual animating influences other than Trump, but on the whole, this was a Trump election, not a "lead differently, propose bold ideas" yadda yadda yadda.

You are one of 435. You are not first among equals. I think a majority of voters are not looking for folks to pee into the tent as the old saying goes so much as they are looking at folks to stop Trump.

Whoppi wasn't saying do nothing and sit down and shut up, she was saying please recognize that maybe you don't know everything and be willing to listen at least as much as you speak...which is good advice for anyone of any age in any situation.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #40)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:08 AM

152. A very circuitous

and somewhat obtuse criticism of a Democratic politician.

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Response to PDittie (Reply #152)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:19 AM

157. I'm sorry you had trouble

understanding it, feel free to ask questions.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:42 PM

41. Sigh

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:58 PM

44. Zip

Shut yer' yap Whoopi. Save your barbs for that McCain airhead.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:58 PM

45. Whoopi needs to shut up. I saw her true colors a The View taping..nt

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Response to helpisontheway (Reply #45)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:03 PM

53. Whoopi hates tax increases on the RICH

Above all else. Watched The View enough (in the past) to know this about her. She’s a got a bit of that NIMBY attitude.

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Response to mchill (Reply #53)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:47 PM

72. Exactly

Another in the 1% scared to death of paying their fair share.

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Response to mchill (Reply #53)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:08 PM

102. Let's be honest, nobody likes taxes but we all do what

we have to do and vote for policies that could lead to a better life for everyone.

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Response to mchill (Reply #53)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:56 PM

108. i have seen her raggin about taxes and the govt taking HER money too

cant believe how this board is dissing a progressive tax plan

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Response to mchill (Reply #53)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:45 PM

121. I can't stomach The View, but figured that Whoopi being so condescending...

to AOC had to be about marginal tax rates.


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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:59 PM

47. Sorry. There's nothing "bold" or "creative" or "positive" about denigrating Democrats...

Sorry. There's nothing "bold" or "creative" or "positive" about denigrating Democrats with dismissive and divisive rhetoric. No good purpose is served when anyone claims (or suggests) that Democrats are "corrupt" or that Democrats "don't care about climate change" or that Democrats are "too old". That's not leadership.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #47)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:58 PM

77. I saw her referred to as a 'celebrity' on twitter yesterday

That fits and explains the fascination with her.

I'm over celebrity politicians myself.

I hope she's spending as much time crafting bills to back up her tweets.

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Response to nini (Reply #77)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:09 PM

87. It's good to know I'm not alone in my observations and perceptions.

I hope she's spending as much time crafting bills to back up her tweets.
In all of my mumblety-mumble years I've learned that if I keep my expectations low, then I avoid disappointment. All I'm saying is that I know I won't be disappointed.

I'm over celebrity politicians myself.
Guuuurl, you ain't the only one! Preach!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #47)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:03 PM

126. When has she denigrated dems or said any of those things?

 

Why do you get to post outright lies about democrats with impunity?

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Response to Palisade (Reply #126)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:05 PM

127. Two very good questions

 

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Response to Palisade (Reply #126)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:11 PM

166. Welcome to DU.

 

You'll want to get familiar with the support that Democrats get here, and that no Democrat is above criticism.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:59 PM

48. This is an adult response - good for AOC!

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:01 PM

50. You should sit down and listen Whoopi. AOC knows as much about her job as you know about yours.

She's doing what she was elected to do, where you do what you get paid to do.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:17 PM

60. Whoopie, take the L and walk away....

...AOC has shit to do. Let her do it. She was elected. Not you.

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Response to SKKY (Reply #60)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:02 PM

82. That's exactly what Whoopi was saying, "do something". Did you see her 2 min. talk yesterday?

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:19 PM

61. Stop eating each other

 

There is so much of that on this website. When someone expresses an opinion, inevitably there are a handful that will jump on them implying that they know what they meant or some other garbage. In fact it's bullshit.

Guess we have to just ignore the knowitalls. It does no good and is a waste of time to try to clarify.

You don't like an opinion?...then disagree. Don't try telling me what I'm thinkimg, cause you don't have a fucking clue.

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Response to Hulk (Reply #61)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:23 PM

63. +1000

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Response to Hulk (Reply #61)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:44 PM

107. +1000

Thank you!

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:22 PM

62. Whoopi was wrong on this one

She brought up leaders that fought many years ago and are still fighting as her reason for saying it.

Those same leaders when they were young were just like the new leader and the very reason much was done then. Some of those leaders are telling her to back off and putting her in her place. I can’t imagine those same leaders doing that when they were doing the strong fighting.

Also my other issue with bringing up people fighting for years is that is a very tiny percent of congress, most has gotten use to their privilege and needs a kick in the buns.

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Response to marlakay (Reply #62)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:37 PM

67. She was right. She was giving some very good advice.

Apparently, OAC isn't ready to learn. She will learn sooner or later. Hopefully it'll be sooner.

OAC should be too busy with plans concerning big issues than to tweet to respond to a mild bit of advice by a daytime talk show person, unless she was specifically asked.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #67)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:41 PM

69. Do you know how fast these kids can tweet?

My step daughter around her age has important job in law office and yet tweets, FB etc fast and is quick on her job and one of the best. I couldn’t do it my mind can’t hold so many things at once anymore but the young can.

I believe she is doing her job, tweeting, getting people excited and learning all at same time.

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Response to marlakay (Reply #69)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:34 PM

96. How ridiculous is that?

We have people who post dozens of times a day here on DU, pretending to believe that AOC spends so much time composing a few tweets that she has no time to do anything else.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #67)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:59 PM

78. Who is OAC?

 

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #78)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:14 PM

89. Interesting...

what people with few posts to their names have to say. Doesn't really add to the conversation, does it?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #89)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:01 PM

110. Someone with tens of thousands of posts...

 

is just as likely to be inaccurate and content free as someone with only a single post. Quantity doesn't equal quality.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #67)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:02 PM

83. Ohio Athletic Conference? Online Archive of California? On Approved Credit?

 

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Response to aidbo (Reply #83)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:00 PM

124. Opinionated Antelope Circus?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #67)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:15 PM

90. Who is OAC? nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #67)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:03 AM

155. AOC not OAC

And as far as twitter goes-- I can think of a 70 something man who should be busier with other issues, but needs to tweet garbage multiple times a day.

It seems that most of AOC's critics (both here and otherwise) are afraid of the generational shift in politics. She's of a generation that was brought up to multitask. And her generation isn't afraid to question the status quo. Rather than polishing old bullshit and displaying it in a china cabinet, she's calling it out.

She's been on the job for a week. Give her time.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:30 PM

65. Fighting on too many fronts insures defeat. The first and foremost front is

The Fn MORON in the Oral Office. His strategy is; divide to conquer. It has worked and will work. Learn from the past, even recent past like 2 years.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:35 PM

66. She needs something to do with her time. And a list of priorities.

She needs something to do with her time. And a list of priorities. Responding to Whoopi Goldberg shouldn't be on the list.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #66)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:57 AM

143. bullshit. It is. People are deciding how they feel about politicians,

 

how they feel about what those politicians are fighting for, and even, apparently, if those politicians should be vocal or fighting at all. This is a battle for the American consciousness, and not pushing back to voices who absolutely have the power to shape public opinion is simply ceding to a loss.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #143)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:12 AM

147. We agree to disagree. I'm waiting for her to DO something.

Not just yap her jaw in front of cameras. That's easy. All rock stars do that, when they first become famous at a young age.

Hopefully she'll learn. She can be asset, once she starts doing rather than talking. Hopefully we'll be able to do a list of things she does that affects people's lives.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #147)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:24 PM

164. It isn't easy to promote politics that way. Its actually rife with challenges. Which is why the

 


right is continually looking for the chink in her armor. Landmines are constantly set up. Traps of all kinds are set up. Navigating them and maintaining credibility and not damaging the cause you are promoting takes quite a lot of deftness. So does punching back in the public arena.

What pray tell is your version of doing something anyway? Why the assumption that she wont or that one has to come at the cost of the other?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #164)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:13 PM

171. Sponsor a bill. Work to get other reps in favor of it.

Work to get the public in favor of it (as much of the public as possible...not just her fans). Then get it passed.

That takes a lot of work, and a bit of time. Criticizing is easy. Tweeting is easy. Anyone can do that. I assume her district voted for her to DO something.

She can also vote for other reps' bills, in the meantime. I assume she voted for the two bills that the House just sent to the Senate.

If she can't sponsor her own bill, try to get on as a co-sponsor of someone else's bill. She may have to do some work on that, in order to get to become a co-sponsor. However that works. It's not exciting or attention getting. But it is how things get done in Washington.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:45 PM

70. Snap out of it, people.

 

We have the realest, most threatening adversary since Hitler rising like a human mushroom cloud and he means to injure us all in the worst kind of way.

His name isn't Whoopi, or AOC, or (insert forum avatar here), his name is Donald Motherfucker Trump, and every little pot shot or snipe we take at one another weakens us and strengthens him and his enablers.

We cannot afford this. Direct your aggression where it is needed.

Please.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:03 PM

84. She clearly oversimplified what Whoopi Goldberg said yesterday. I suggest people watch it.

I wish this woman would be as aggressive at "attacking" republicans as she is Democrats and progressives.

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Response to George II (Reply #84)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:15 PM

91. "this woman"

 

Just curious, would you refer to Nancy Pelosi in that way?

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Response to aidbo (Reply #91)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:19 PM

92. When we're referring to each other, my wife says "this man" and I say "this woman"....

What's your problem with that? Trying to make it a gender thing now?

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Response to George II (Reply #92)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:24 PM

106. Just enjoying the hypocrisy! Carry on, this person!

 

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Response to George II (Reply #92)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:58 PM

109. Really?

 

That's unusual. Most people use names.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:21 PM

93. AOC has this right.

She is an elected official. Not some intern. She doesn't need to fetch coffee and nod her head subserviently to a bunch of old, rich, White people for some vague period of time to learn, what? Who's ass needs kissing the most? Who's permission you need to express an opinion? How to always accept Republican framing on every issue?

She was voted into office to make immediate and dramatic change. Not to take garbage advice from a daytime television personality who takes their name from a device that makes fart noises.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:22 PM

94. That tweet has nothing to do with Whoopi Goldberg or what she said yesterday...

...it doesn't even mention her.

Why are people trying to make it about what Whoopi said?

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Response to George II (Reply #94)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:40 PM

97. Right, Whoopi said she should 'sit still'

AOC says she’s not going to ‘sit back’. Totally different.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:25 PM

95. If only the rest of the party had the stiff back bone of this 26 year old lady .

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:59 PM

100. Generational divide issue???

 

I am a millennial. If I know one thing about myself its that I don't care about seniority in the workplace. Hierarchies are useless to me. And that is how I go about my work.

Maybe the issue we are seeing is difficulties in different generations interacting with one another. It causes tension.

Here's a article from the Financial Times that talks about this:


[link:https://www.ft.com/content/c93ed9b6-87b2-11e5-90de-f44762bf9896|

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Response to carleigh86 (Reply #100)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:59 PM

131. Yep....

This Gen-Xers is not a fan of AOC. There are likely those that are however, the generation of respecting ones elders is disappearing, fast. IMHO....

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #131)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:53 AM

160. This GenXer loves her

A lot more disappointed with my generation's leaders (and older) than the ones coming up (BHO excluded).

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #160)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:16 PM

167. Again, it was stated...

Some may, but this one (as in We) most certainly do not.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:03 PM

101. I...

...can't argue with that...

...

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:31 PM

111. I'm reminded of all the well-meaning white people

who thought that Black people in the 1960's were simply overwrought and needed to be just a bit more patient for things like equal rights.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #111)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:15 PM

120. Wow

 

Not an apt comparison at all - in fact, it's rather bizarre.

One of the key lessons that black folks preach to other black folks - especially younger, less experienced ones - is to prepare, prepare, prepare before you jump out on Front Street. Watch, listen and learn is not the same as sitting back and doing nothing.

And the white folks you're talking about weren't saying this to the black folks who had just joined the movement. They were telling ALL black people to sit back and be patient and not fight back. That's very different than a young, eager person with little experience being advised by people on their side fighting in the same battle to take some time to learn their turf before trying to take over the movement.

So, please spare us the Civil Rights movement analogy. It's completely misplaced.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #120)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:10 AM

156. Be patient. Wait in line. Don't worry that the line isn't moving at all.

Somehow it doesn't matter who is saying it. The message is demeaning and dismissive.

The Democratic party has a real problem with entrenched leadership right now. There's almost zero effort to groom younger people to take over leadership positions down the road. And we see it here with the enthusiasm for septuagenarian Presidential candidates.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #156)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:23 AM

158. If Whoopi had said that, you'd have a point

 

But there's a world of difference between being told "wait in line" and being advised to "learn your sh*t"

I can't believe I even have to explain to intelligent people that learning the ins and outs of a new job before trying to jump out in front of the pack is essential to success in that position.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #158)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:00 PM

162. Kind of condescending, especially since it is a gross generalization

Lots of folks don't like to be challenged. Especially those in power.

Politics is unlike a regular job. Your ability to sway public opinion is the fuel to your power and success. Other avenues to success include back room deal brokering and playing the role of a good soldier. We don't know what she is doing behind the scenes, but I would be willing to bet "being a good soldier" is not one of them.

Time will tell if AOC's strategy is the right one. I, for one, love she is taking risks. I love even more that she is pissing off a lot of the right people, whether they be right wing nuts or crusty old power brokers that think she needs to sit back and learn her shit.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #111)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:27 PM

133. Which makes what Whoopie said even more surprising. (n/t)

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #111)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:54 AM

161. Well put. The similarities in language are remarkable.

What is confusing is when you hear that language out of Democrats. I would expect it out of Rethugs.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:34 PM

112. Damn straight. Nt

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:50 PM

113. AOC is A-OK! n/t

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:55 PM

114. The Most Honorable Ocasio-Cortez has been busy

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Response to RambleTamble (Reply #114)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:01 PM

125. Cortez, not Cortex. I love that she doesn't shrink from right-wing bullshit.

Hell, any bullshit thrown her way, including from Whoopie.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:59 PM

123. Telling a woman to "sit still" is off-the-charts rude...

and the hypocrisy from the Whoopie defenders/so-called feminists is astounding. AOC isn't a child and Whoopie was waaaay out of line with her comments. Guess girlfriend doesn't like that proposed marginal tax rate.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:19 PM

128. I don't post much these days, but I just have to say that I agree with her

She got elected into a shitstorm, basically. And it seems she's up to it. I'm not sure there was a time when sitting down, shutting up and learning the job was appropriate advice for someone in congress, but this isn't it.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:56 PM

129. Sounds like a politician. :-)

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:25 PM

132. Everybody's a critic. When did Whoopi ever run for public office? Oh, that's right, she hasn't.

 

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:43 PM

135. Yep. She is doing just fine.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:45 PM

136. I agree with Whoppi. Doesn't mean you do nothing.

or give up on ideals and desire to shake things up. Just calm down and breathe and learn.

Do not allow this hard fought 2018 victory be defined by anything said in haste.

Reminds me of the management class film with all squares and an over eager circle comes in to make all the squares into circles...they come on so strong and try so hard the squares eventually just turn on them and encompass and absorb them.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:49 PM

137. She's a

spitfire. Leave her she will do great.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:16 AM

144. K and R

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:29 AM

145. AOC

What a magnificent breath of fresh air. We need another 100 of her in Congress.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:15 AM

146. Hurray AOC

Good job!!!!

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:25 AM

149. Kudos AOC

Whoppi has forgotten how she was received when she first appeared on the scene.
Her first stand up routines were met with much derision. She had the nerve to say words and mention subjects that were considered inappropriate, especially from a woman.
She has been palin around with the wrong people for too long and has gotten a bit overly politically correct.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:39 AM

153. Interesting Thread. Disturbing, but interesting

There is a faction on here that is VERY bothered by AOC. It's the same group, over and over, that looks to throw shade on her every chance they get, every thread they stumble across where she is mentioned. Of course, they couch it in terms that they are not "attacking" her, that they support her, just want her to be more of a team player, learn the rules, show more respect, etc.

RIIIIGHT.

To all those who are so very "concerned" - Get used to it. You are looking at the next leader of the Democratic Party.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:42 AM

154. This....

"The American people did not organize the biggest midterm election in ~100 years so their new leaders could sit back as the nation waits in crisis."

... should remind ocasio-cortez that there's already a capable leader. Her name is Nancy Pelosi. Being designated a leader is not automatic with being elected. It actually takes doing something to earn that recognition. Whoopi Goldberg offered some sage advice which seems to have triggered the non critical thinking aspect of some people to attack a good liberal for offering the advice, which to anyone with common sense would understand said advice was not given to harm ocasio-cortez in any way shape or form. I do not vote for my congressperson to be my leader. I vote for my congressperson to be my representative.

Bottom line? Too many cooks in the kitchen spoil the broth.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:24 AM

159. Goldberg is correct...

Whoopi said learn the job first.

Running ones mouth, well...

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Response to Chicago1980 (Reply #159)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:32 PM

170. No.

 

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Response to Chicago1980 (Reply #159)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 08:05 PM

172. And she said "sit still FOR A MINUTE". People leave out those last three words for some reason.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:54 PM

165. We Need Action

I think AOC is a great of fresh air. I love Whoopi but IMHO she is wrong. There is an old Who song “Let’s See Action” and AOC is providing some.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:24 PM

168. My response would be, "Shut up and let the younger generation take it from here."

 

But I might be a bit less couth.

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