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Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:39 PM

Bernie Sanders does NOT SHOW UP to vote on Russian sanctions





Bernie Sanders voted w Republicans against Russian sanctions:

2012 Magnitsky Act- Nay
2014 Russia Sanctions- Nay
2017 Russia Sanctions- Nay (twice)

Today, Bernie Sanders did not show up to vote on sanctions.

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Reply Bernie Sanders does NOT SHOW UP to vote on Russian sanctions (Original post)
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:39 PM

1. he is lazy.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:41 PM

4. He is lazy, but I think it's more than that

in this case. His siding with Russia on multiple occasions is puzzling and should lead to questions.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:43 PM

6. That and the tax returns to me adds up to real big problems, REAL big.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:36 PM

67. I want to see the tax returns

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #67)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:12 PM

99. Me too.

I will not even consider supporting another run for President unless I see them the day he (hypothetically) announces.

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Response to Susan Calvin (Reply #99)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:28 PM

156. Amen.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #67)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:55 PM

218. Why?

 

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #218)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:59 PM

220. Why Not?

He should have made them public when he ran for POTUS in 2016.

He didn't and I still would like to see them.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #220)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:55 PM

246. Yep.

And I say that as an ardent initial Bernie supporter.

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #218)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:02 PM

249. Because presidential candidates need to be transparent

The only presidential candidates who have refused to release tax returns ate trump, Jill Stein and sanders. To date sanders has released only two pages of one return

To get onto the ballot in Maryland, sanders will have to release full returns

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #218)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 07:05 PM

389. Absolute Transparency.

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #218)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:05 AM

406. Are you serious?

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #67)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 02:52 PM

374. i want to see the tax returns FOR ALL POLITICIANS.

ESPECIALLY for those running for president AND ESPECIALLY FOR POLITICIANS WHO WON'T PRODUCE THEM.


If they won't produce them, what are they trying to hide. Where are they Trump.

Where are they Bernie ?
Where are they anyone else who need to produce them?

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #374)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 02:53 PM

375. Maryland has a ballot access law that will require these returns to get onto ballot

I want to see full tax returns from sanders and not just two pages of one return

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:53 PM

122. Yep.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:13 PM

181. Good On You

I got dinged for even mentioning tax returns in another thread

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:22 PM

187. Nope.

 

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #187)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:02 PM

222. Nope?

Why do you think Sanders should not be expected to show his returns?

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #222)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:56 PM

247. Word. nt

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:45 PM

76. Bernie and Trump love Russia? Maybe they should move there.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:16 PM

101. What's, uh, "puzzling" about it?

Res ipsa loquitur

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:15 PM

140. Yes, I'm seeing that the OP says that he voted against sanctions several times,

so he ain't THAT lazy.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:22 PM

186. Oh ffs, this is pure character assassination.

 

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #186)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:08 AM

282. No mention of his Russia trip in the OP. nt

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #186)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:09 AM

283. ...

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #186)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:57 AM

294. Certainly not

This is about policy. Russian sanctions have been a priority. Why is he voting against them (or not showing up to vote for them)? It's particularly disturbing in light of the Russian attack on the 2016 election.

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #186)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 02:48 AM

303. In other news, this just in... Bernie's not a Democrat...

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #303)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 10:10 AM

345. Yes indeed. He is quite vulnerable in that regard. People dislike that about him.

... thanks for the reminder. It's not like anyone's forgotten, but it's always good to draw attention to that fact.

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #186)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 03:33 PM

377. Is it character assassination to point out facts

such as his voting against the Magnitsky Act, was one of only 2 Senators who voted against new Russian sanctions in 2017 (the other was Rand Paul). Not to mention Tad Devine's connections with Paul Manafort.

Facts are not character assassinations. Your boy ain't perfect.

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #186)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:07 AM

407. Oh ffs, senators have one job. They vote on bills. Sanders failed to vote.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:52 AM

321. Bernie was busy

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:54 PM

22. after once maybe 3 or 4 times though, that's an agenda. He sure made the presser this time too

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:06 PM

43. There is a theme to those votes. I begin to suspect it goes beyond laziness.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #43)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:42 PM

72. There's a pattern.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #43)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:20 PM

104. Me too.

Something is off here.

And never mind the fact we donít need a lazy president.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #104)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:45 PM

117. We don't need another lazy President.

We already have one.

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Response to bluescribbler (Reply #117)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:47 PM

171. Yeah, no shit.

I want this nightmare to be over.

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Response to bluescribbler (Reply #117)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:25 PM

193. Fortunately Sanders is not lazy.

 

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #193)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:54 PM

278. +1 ... inane stuff.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #323)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:34 PM

361. Take a LOOK AT POST 323...That is it..!!!!!!!!!!!!! MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!

If you want to be President as Bernie wants, you need lots of money..That is why Bernie wouldn't vote. The Russians might or have given secret money..(Of course you can't prove it..but it is all about money. Nothing new..

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:40 AM

335. Or could it be that he admires communistic dogma more than our constitutional government?

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 02:06 PM

371. His vote would have made no difference whatsoever. So why attack him?

 

Why make all these assumptions if not for pure prejudice and a pre conceived malice toward him. "He's lazy"? Conclusion based on what? It's the Bernie Sanders derangement syndrome based on pure malicious bias.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:39 PM

2. It's time to start taking notice.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:41 PM

3. Say it louder for the folks in the back.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:10 PM

98. I'm finally listening. Keep it up more will finally go: Oh....

Justifiably angry about it.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:42 PM

5. Bernie 2020? Nyet!

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:44 PM

7. Ouch. That graphic. Just ouch. NT

 

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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:45 PM

8. Russians are using him as propaganda as his no show helps them.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:45 PM

9. Tad Devine

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Response to 33taw (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:54 PM

24. I think we have a winner!

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Response to 33taw (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:57 PM

176. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

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Response to 33taw (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:26 AM

346. +1

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Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:53 PM

21. Except he's not a Democrat. This looks VERY bad, and Dems are right to be

skeptical.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:46 PM

11. What is up with Bernie and Russia? Again?

This was a close vote, too, so why abstain?

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:48 PM

13. Good questions.

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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:15 PM

253. Not a good look, is it.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #253)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:25 PM

258. Not good at all.. Shine the Light!

BS could have made both the "symbolic rebuke" of the Senate Dems effort to block trump's move.. and the "sexual harassment" meeting.

The excuses aren't working.

"..private meeting, told CNN Sanders was present for "about an hour" and described him as "conciliatory"

https://www.keyt.com/news/national-world/sanders-meets-with-campaign-staffers-who-raised-harassment-allegations/978568943

Senate Democrats' effort to block Trump move on Russia sanctions fails

The sanctions resolution from Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, which required 60 votes to proceed, was defeated in a 57-42 vote. Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders missed the vote.

But the result still represented a symbolic rebuke of the Treasury Department's decision in December to lift the sanctions on the companies tied to Deripaska, a Kremlin ally. Eleven Republicans joined with Democrats to support Schumer's resolution, arguing that the Trump administration erred in deciding to lift sanctions on Rusal, the world's second-largest aluminum producer, as well as EN+ Group and JSC EuroSibEnergo.

Wednesday's vote came one day after Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin went to Capitol Hill in an effort to ease Republican senators' concerns about the sanctions plan. He failed to convince those 11 Republicans who broke with Majority Leader Mitch McConnell later Tuesday to vote with Democrats on Schumer's resolution.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/senate-democrats-sanctions-russia/index.html

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:36 PM

113. Bernie spent his

Honeymoon in Russia. The things he preches are Trump like. He is a Socialist, not a Democrat. Never was.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:38 PM

162. VERY good question

Why the hell would you not vote? Best case is you are just lazy. Worst case . . .

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:44 PM

168. Thats a damn good question.

One he needs to answer.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #168)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:02 PM

353. It IS a damn good question. And yes. He does need to explain himself. Fully.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:38 PM

203. Because he doesn't want war?

 

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #203)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:20 PM

233. And, all the Dems who voted to Block trump's move

on Russian Sanctions "want war"?

That's Ridiculous.

The sanctions resolution from Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, which required 60 votes to proceed, was defeated in a 57-42 vote. Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders missed the vote.

But the result still represented a symbolic rebuke of the Treasury Department's decision in December to lift the sanctions on the companies tied to Deripaska, a Kremlin ally. Eleven Republicans joined with Democrats to support Schumer's resolution, arguing that the Trump administration erred in deciding to lift sanctions on Rusal, the world's second-largest aluminum producer, as well as EN+ Group and JSC EuroSibEnergo.

Wednesday's vote came one day after Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin went to Capitol Hill in an effort to ease Republican senators' concerns about the sanctions plan. He failed to convince those 11 Republicans who broke with Majority Leader Mitch McConnell later Tuesday to vote with Democrats on Schumer's resolution.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/senate-democrats-sanctions-russia/index.html

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #203)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:33 PM

262. Then He Should Own It So That People Can Make That Choice...

...he keeps on voting in favor of Russia, but with these lame excuses. The Russian sanctions in 2017 he blamed on Iran. Today, he had other stuff to do.

If he really wants to appease Russia at all costs even as Russia tries its best to subvert our government, then be prepared to own and defend that position.

Finally, be prepared to own the fact that Russia will then work support your campaign. Don't act shocked as Russia tries to clear the field of candidates who might be less willing to tolerate Russia's interference in our elections.

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #203)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:16 PM

269. That's very interesting

I was reading just the other day that one of the tools Russian propagandists use on social media is to frame everything as a choice between Putin's way or war, with "Putin's way" ranging from subtle meme to obvious themes. The propagandists use this to reinforce waves of "there's nothing that can be done, we don't want war" fears, thereby paralyzing thought and action. The gain for the Putin clan is inaction widens the field in which they can more freely act.

And there you go suggesting Bernie's failure to vote may be because "he doesn't want war". Coincidence, surely. I admit, though, that it doesn't exactly apply here. But unfortunately we live in interesting times.


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Response to TSheehan (Reply #203)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:26 AM

347. This is a Russian talking point. Interesting

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:57 PM

219. Great questions!

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 03:35 PM

378. He was "busy"

He's a busy busy busy busy busy busy man. Much too busy to vote. He was BUSY, dammit!

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 04:32 PM

384. Mueller probably has the answer. n/t

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:47 PM

12. Too busy?

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Response to Cha (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:43 PM

205. Very busy

A very serious man who knows his priorities

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #205)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:55 PM

217. So busy..

he was too busy to vote for Russian Sanctions 'cause he was too busy with confronting the time he was too busy to know about the "sexual harassment" and the "$30,000 settlement".

"Micromanager" that he was purported to be.

Bernie Sanders apologizes, says he didn't know about 30k settlement of 2016 campaign staffer

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-apologizes-says-he-didnt-know-about-30000-settlement-of-2016-campaign-staffer-accused-of-sexual-harassment/2019/01/10/db2c061e-14fc-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211652213

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Response to Cha (Reply #217)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:23 PM

234. +1. His Russia stance deserves scrutiny

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #234)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:27 PM

237. Yes, it does.. he was too busy again, and "missed the symbolic rebuke.."

The sanctions resolution from Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, which required 60 votes to proceed, was defeated in a 57-42 vote. Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders missed the vote.

But the result still represented a symbolic rebuke of the Treasury Department's decision in December to lift the sanctions on the companies tied to Deripaska, a Kremlin ally. Eleven Republicans joined with Democrats to support Schumer's resolution, arguing that the Trump administration erred in deciding to lift sanctions on Rusal, the world's second-largest aluminum producer, as well as EN+ Group and JSC EuroSibEnergo.

Wednesday's vote came one day after Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin went to Capitol Hill in an effort to ease Republican senators' concerns about the sanctions plan. He failed to convince those 11 Republicans who broke with Majority Leader Mitch McConnell later Tuesday to vote with Democrats on Schumer's resolution.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/senate-democrats-sanctions-russia/index.html

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:48 PM

14. He's a bit busy putting his campaign team together.

He has his priorities people.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:01 AM

328. I thought

Bernie was at a meeting trying to clean up the sexual harrassment case with his staff.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:50 PM

15. It's always good to ask why

Thursday, June 15, 2017
WASHINGTON, June 15 Ė Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement Thursday after he voted against a bill that would impose new sanctions on Iran and Russia:

"I am strongly supportive of the sanctions on Russia included in this bill. It is unacceptable for Russia to interfere in our elections here in the United States, or anywhere around the world. There must be consequences for such actions. I also have deep concerns about the policies and activities of the Iranian government, especially their support for the brutal Assad regime in Syria. I have voted for sanctions on Iran in the past, and I believe sanctions were an important tool for bringing Iran to the negotiating table. But I believe that these new sanctions could endanger the very important nuclear agreement that was signed between the United States, its partners and Iran in 2015. That is not a risk worth taking, particularly at a time of heightened tension between Iran and Saudi Arabia and its allies. I think the United States must play a more even-handed role in the Middle East, and find ways to address not only Iran's activities, but also Saudi Arabia's decades-long support for radical extremism."


The only one to miss the vote was Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. He was meeting with women who had accused his 2016 presidential campaign of sexual misconduct, his spokesman, Josh Miller-Lewis, told CNBC.


What liberal conspiracy theorists wonít tell you is that Sanders was joined in voting nay by Carl Levin (D-MI), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), and Jack Reed (D-RI) none of whom stand accused by anyone of being Russian stooges.

What liberal conspiracy theorists wonít tell you is that the Obama administration opposed the Magnitsky Act. The administration flip-flopped only after the sanctions were attached to a bill normalizing trade relations with Russia, hence the billís official name: The Russia and Moldova Jackson-Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012 (H.R. 6156).

What liberal conspiracy theorists wonít tell you is that Sanders voted for a second, more robust version of the Magnitsky Act in 2015.

What liberal conspiracy theorists wonít tell you is that Sanders supports imposing punitive sanctions targeting Putin and his oligarch cronies, supports the sprawling Russia counter-intelligence investigation of the 2016 election led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, denounces Russian aggression and Putin on a fairly regular basis, and during the 2016 presidential campaign supported sending more U.S. troops to the North Atlantic Treaty Organizationís (NATO) Eastern European members to deter Russia from attacking them the way it attacked Ukraine in 2014.

Clearly Sanders is no Putin stooge.


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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:51 PM

18. And yet oddly enough EVERY time...sigh

Stop calling people who REPORT the news liberal conspiracy theorists...that is a personal attack of me and most democrats.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:55 PM

25. Quoting the source

I almost edited out those phrases, but I preferred to not rewrite the source material.

Sanders tends to be both very consistent, and very intransigent. He has a way that he thinks these things should be done and that's what he'll wait to vote for.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:22 PM

56. Maybe edit in a link to your source so there isn't any confusion that those are your words

Thereís no link in your post currently.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:23 PM

189. "personal attack of me and most democrats." What about Sanders and all the Democrats who support him

 

? The personal attacks and vicious smear campaign against him (and them), that is.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:54 PM

23. The fact remains, he voted against the Magnitsky Act and the Russia Sanctions....

....two votes that totaled 189-6. Only one Senator voted against both of them.

By the way, the Iran deal that he voted to "protect" when he voted against the Russia Sanctions (one of only two Senators, he and Rand Paul) was abandoned about a year later anyway.

And now today he avoided the vote.

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Response to George II (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:56 PM

28. That time

Sanders voted for a second, more robust version of the Magnitsky Act in 2015.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:16 PM

142. "Liberal conspiracy theorists," zipplewrath? What might those be? Also, who wrote this & linky?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #142)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 09:04 AM

341. Yeah

I wasn't fond of that wording. It was a quick summation of his stated reasoning so it was useful. I almost edited it to remove that language and just leave the substance but I kinda felt that'd be deceptive.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #341)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 01:11 PM

365. Thanks for seeing what I meant, anyway.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:23 PM

188. +1000000

 

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:01 PM

266. Thank you for providing some context. nt

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:40 PM

272. Thank you! There's the Back Story...

That's necessary for context.

But haters gotta hate.


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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:50 PM

17. K&R

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:51 PM

19. https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/397879-rand-paul-blocks-sanders-russia-resolution-call

Got to do your own research these days as the real facts tell a different story.

"Sanders's resolution would also demand already passed sanctions legislation be fully implemented, move to protect the election system and "not accept" interference in Mueller's investigation, including the firing of Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein."


WASHINGTON, June 7 Ė Sen. Bernie Sanders issued the following statement after voting against a resolution that would impose new sanctions on Iran:
"I am strongly supportive of adding sanctions against Russia to this bill. As we now know, Russia actively worked to influence our 2016 presidential election and continues to try and destabilize democracies around the world, including ours.
"But I also have serious concerns about the sanctions on Iran contained in this bill. As we have heard from former Obama administration officials, some of these measures could undermine the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, the very important nuclear agreement signed in 2015 between the US, our partners, and Iran.
"Let me be clear: We need to find ways to push back against Iranís provocative and destructive behavior in the region. But threatening the JCPOA is not the way to do it. I also believe it's inappropriate to advance this bill on the same day when Iran has suffered a terrorist attack on its capitol, in which twelve Iranians were killed."
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-statement-on-iran-sanctions-resolution

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Response to wroberts189 (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:52 PM

20. Then WHY did he vote to combine the sanctions in committee?

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Response to wroberts189 (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:57 PM

29. The real facts are he was on the negative side of two votes, 97-2 and 92-4. He's the only Senator..

...to vote no on both of them, and the only Senator to not vote today.

I wish I could create Venn Diagrams on DU.

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Response to George II (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:58 PM

32. I dont get it. Why do people ignore this and the tax return thing, I sincerely dont get it.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:02 PM

38. Cult.

 

When you excuse every and all bad behavior, you are in a cult.

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Response to backabby-blue (Reply #38)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:10 PM

133. Exactly . . .

Which is particularly ironic, given the current President and the nature of his most dedicated supporters.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:06 AM

329. Same reason

People still back Trump. Cult like Apprentice lovers.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 02:25 PM

373. Lots of things bring up reoccuring questions.

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Response to wroberts189 (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:58 PM

34. That was June 2017

Where was he today?

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Response to wroberts189 (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:18 PM

182. Yeah, Yeah Yeah ...He Always Has A Reason

too busy running to pay attention to his campaign, too busy to release tax returns. How many would pick Moscow for a honeymoon destination?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:55 PM

26. DU rec...nt

Sid

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:55 PM

27. Yea sure... Bernie is pro russia...... and the moon is made of cheese.



Meanwhile putins stooge sits in the Whitehouse looking to pull out of NATO...amoung countless other pro Kremlin objectives.


But whats important? Attack Bernie!

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Response to wroberts189 (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:58 PM

33. He is not Anti-Russia. That's for sure.

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Response to PubliusEnigma (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:58 PM

123. Most Americans aren't anti Russian

 

they are anti Putin, anti fascist, hate the Russian government as much as most Russians do. Russians have no more control over their fascist government then we do our fascist government.

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Response to elmac (Reply #123)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:54 PM

174. Well said

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Response to elmac (Reply #123)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:52 PM

214. As an American I have much more freedom than a Russian citizen

Putin is very close to being a dictator

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Response to delisen (Reply #214)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:36 AM

348. well, tRump isn't close, he is a dictator, some people here just don't understand that. nt

 

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Response to elmac (Reply #123)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:49 AM

318. The sanctions against Putin-pal Oleg Deripaska were because of Russian meddling in the election.

And Deripaska was also closely tied to Paul Manafort.

Why shouldn't Bernie have joined the Democrats and even some Republicans in supporting the sanctions against him? Why should he be allowed to continue to do business in the US?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/us/politics/senate-trump-russia-sanctions.html

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Response to PubliusEnigma (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:27 PM

196. Why be anti-Russia? It's a beautiful country, rich in culture and history.

 

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #196)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:45 PM

206. That's not what the poster meant by "anti-Russia".

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #196)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:45 PM

207. Dangerous to be a journalist there though.

 

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #207)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:48 PM

208. There are tons of countries like that, some of which have been close allies of the US.

 

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #208)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:54 PM

215. You certainly seem fond of Russia.

 

How nice for you.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #215)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:55 PM

216. Relevance?

 

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #216)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:04 PM

224. Many people are confused about what is relevant versus what is irrelevant.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #224)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:46 PM

265. It isn't rocket science. Putin attacked the US elections and Deripaska was a key player.

It is wrong that the Senate caved in to Trump and rewarded Oleg Deripaska.

Like you, I am not so sure why it is so difficult to grasp for some people.

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #216)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:11 PM

228. Oh, I think Russia is plenty relevant.

 

I just read your comment about Bill Clinton in the thread you self-deleted.

Very interesting.

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #216)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:17 PM

230. Lol.

 

Dasvedaniya

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #208)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:30 PM

238. ...

Whataboutism is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

In the US, it is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda. When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would often be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #238)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:35 PM

240. This. nt

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #208)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:50 PM

275. Ah there's The whataboutism.

Who could have seen that coming.

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #196)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:02 PM

223. Life expectancy of Russian males:66 years


High death rate among political critics also.


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Response to TSheehan (Reply #196)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:35 PM

241. ...

In logic, equivocation ('calling two different things by the same name') is an informal fallacy resulting from the use of a particular word/expression in multiple senses leading to a false conclusion.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #196)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:44 AM

317. This was a vote to maintain sanctions against Oleg Deripaska, a Russian oligarch

who was involved, along with Manafort, in the conspiracy to meddle in the US elections.

Why wouldn't Bernie be anti-Deripaska?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/us/politics/senate-trump-russia-sanctions.html

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #317)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:53 AM

322. Is he not?

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Response to KPN (Reply #322)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:56 AM

324. He skipped a very close vote to maintain sanctions against Deripaska,

and he didn't explain why.

And he also was the only progressive to vote against the Magnitsky act.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #324)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:07 AM

330. He explained the Magnitsky Act at the

time very clearly. Thereís an explanation this time ó heck, you folks are beating him up on that particular situation too.

This is a vendetta in my view.

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Response to KPN (Reply #330)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:12 AM

332. Why didn't he make THIS vote then? He spent an hour at a staff meeting,

but had the rest of the day free. And the vote was very close. His vote wasn't crucial, in the end, but it could have been.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #332)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:28 AM

333. I already said my piece.

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #196)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:17 PM

397. New here I see.

Color me surprised

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Response to wroberts189 (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:14 PM

268. At this point we can still like him, just not support him

He not a liability in the Senate since we don't have the Senate, but if we did.... OUCH

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Response to wroberts189 (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:42 AM

316. He SHOULD be anti-Deripaska. And yet he didn't bother to vote to maintain the sanctions.

And the vote was very close -- we were just 3 short. How did he know his vote wouldn't have been crucial?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:57 PM

30. What was so important that he had to miss?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:57 PM

31. What is wrong with him? There is no excuse for this.

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Response to PubliusEnigma (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 02:19 PM

372. The Russians have landed.Look at all the divisive comments over such trivia

 

His vote would not have made any difference whatsoever and really is no big deal but look at the number of comments posted here...the sheer number is overwhelming. And the hateful assumptions, all the Bernie hate is shameful. Maybe he was busy introducing his $15 hr. min wage legislature, or his Medicare for all/ single payer. With all that's going on this is such a trivial matter to get such a numerous response. Thank God Hillary is not in the senate any longer or we'd be getting nasty trivial posts on her as well trying to divide us all again. It happened in 2016 and look how easy it would be now.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:00 PM

35. Not a big deal. He is a busy guy.

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:00 PM

36. It's only voting against our enemy, is all.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:02 PM

37. Would his vote have made or break the legislation?

Nope. But do go on...

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:03 PM

39. speechless

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:07 PM

44. Is that now an acceptable excuse for missing a vote when a Senator is minutes away?

 

Well, if it's a Democratic Senator, anyway.

Do go on.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:15 PM

49. Rationalizing an excuse is clever as pie.

 

Would that excuse have been applied consistently to *all* Democrats over the past two years by his base, it wouldn't appear quite as empty as reality dictates. However, as a 60-second search reveals, that consistency was so very dramatically lacking.

Do go on indeed...

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #49)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:21 PM

54. What are you on about?

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You know Senators miss votes all the time. He had a meeting scheduled with the former staffers over sexual harassment. If he missed or postponed that meeting the tantrums, by the same people, would have been visible from space.

As it stands, yíall will have to pretend the results are not already calculated going in to these votes - and a Senator canít run in if his vote will make a difference.

Like I said. Do go on...


The only one to miss the vote was Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. He was meeting with women who had accused his 2016 presidential campaign of sexual misconduct, his spokesman, Josh Miller-Lewis, told CNBC.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #54)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:55 PM

88. Right on the money again HBS!!

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #54)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:09 PM

96. Good one.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #54)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:01 PM

125. So your defense is


Sanders wasn't free because he had to spend time fixing problems from his own mismanagement on his campaign for higher office and because of this mismanagement he isn't available to complete the duties of his existing office but that he should be considered to handle the management load of the most difficult management position in the world as he approaches his 80th birthday.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #125)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:06 PM

128. Proof HBS' point right here. N/t

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #54)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:19 PM

146. You didn't read the OP, did you? He voted AGAINST sanctions three times.

The writing is on the wall. He has made his position clear.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #54)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:54 PM

173. Sorry, but voting records have consequences...

Why so many no votes concerning a foreign power who's been our primary global enemy since the dust settled from WW2?

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Response to paleotn (Reply #173)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:32 PM

197. it sounds like...

on at least one occasion he voted no because he wanted TOUGHER sanctions on multiple parties. And he was joined by other Senators (D). I am all in favor of criticizing Sen Sanders. I don't think he should be our candidate (though i voted for him in the '16 primary) and i begin to suspect he is too enamoured of his own "vision" to see how it's been compromised. But sometimes the voting record doesn't give you a good enough picture by itself.



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Response to paleotn (Reply #173)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:07 PM

356. I wonder that, too. Donations?

He is like minded with Trump? It's strange for someone who ran as a Democrat, though.

Voting record history is one reason that Senators and Reps with a long voting record have trouble getting elected as President. There's just too much to attack there. Sometimes people settle for a bill and vote for it, as better than nothing, but that doesn't mean that's what they wanted to vote for. Or they voted for a bill that does a lot of good, but has something bad in it...he chooses to vote for the good, in lieu of not having an alternate bill to vote for. But those nuances and explanations aren't in the catchy expensive tv ads that promote the voting record.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #54)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:58 AM

336. That meeting didn't start until after the vote

He wasn't at the meeting when the vote was taking place, and he was in the same building. Don't forget that the whole reason he was even having that meeting was because of the deplorable behavior of his campaign staff in 2016.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:55 PM

87. It was defeated by 2 votes.

 

Bernie was one.

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Response to backabby-blue (Reply #87)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:58 PM

91. It was three.

Would have been two with Bernieís vote.

Try again.

The only one to miss the vote was Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. He was meeting with women who had accused his 2016 presidential campaign of sexual misconduct, his spokesman, Josh Miller-Lewis, told CNBC.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #91)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:05 PM

95. It doesn't take long to vote.

 

He could vote and has the rest of the day to do what he needs. He has voted against ALL Russia sanctions. It was a close vote and he is telling the American people what he believes in with missing this important vote.

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Response to backabby-blue (Reply #95)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:12 PM

100. He voted for the updated Magnitsky act after it was expanded to include ...

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... all potential despots. Which was his and Carl Levinís and Sheldon Whitehouseís beef with the law. Btw, they all voted for the original senate version but passed when the house scaled it down to Russia only.

This new version, btw, is how Saudi Arabia can now be threatened. That was the whole point.

You are entitled your own opinion. Not your own facts.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #91)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 07:14 PM

390. So Bernie helped defeat it

Gotcha!

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:09 PM

97. Jfc

 

It's a good thing you didn't write the constitution or we'd all be proper fucked.

That is the PRECISE voter mentality that contributed to that walking colostomy bag getting elected.

One vote DOES matter, ffs.

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Response to Fuzzpope (Reply #97)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:30 AM

290. +1

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:38 PM

115. Trump is president now

partly because people thought their vote wouldn't matter.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #115)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:09 PM

267. Silly. Senate and House votes are not like general elections or primary votes.

99 time out of 100, senate votes are a forgone conclusion and a Senator can miss a vote if not needed. As was the case here.

Try again.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:26 PM

358. With that logic, I guess the 57 who voted Yea just wasted their time?

There are 100 Senators.

99 of them made the time to show up and vote. I was actually watching C-Span during the vote. Many of the Senators walked into the Senate Chamber, went up to the clerk and gave her their vote, then left.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:42 PM

364. No one knew that in advance of the vote, including him. It could have been 59-40, it was that close.

If that happened it would have failed.

99 Senators felt it was important enough to show up to vote. One didn't.

"But do go on..."

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:07 PM

129. He can't be bothered with such trivial matters, when somewhere there's a camera to stand in front of

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Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #129)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 07:58 PM

410. Exactly. Not so

so trivial though..

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:10 PM

134. Still trying to clean up a past campaign.

 

Super busy.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:17 PM

143. Nope. He wasn't too busy to show up to vote AGAINST Russia sanctions 3 times.

So his position is clear.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:18 PM

144. "Sen. Bernie Sanders misses the vote; his spokesman says he was meeting with women who accused his..

2016 presidential campaign of sexual misconduct."

The only one to miss the vote was Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. He was meeting with women who had accused his 2016 presidential campaign of sexual misconduct, his spokesman, Josh Miller-Lewis, told CNBC.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/16/senate-democrats-vote-to-block-trump-from-lifting-russia-sanctions-fails.html

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Response to Cha (Reply #144)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:40 AM

291. I'm a bit of a simple dude. I see not voting being the same as voting against. nt

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Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #291)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:44 AM

292. Exactly what I was thinking, flea..

Senate Democrats' effort to block Trump move on Russia sanctions fails

The sanctions resolution from Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, which required 60 votes to proceed, was defeated in a 57-42 vote. Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders missed the vote.

But the result still represented a symbolic rebuke of the Treasury Department's decision in December to lift the sanctions on the companies tied to Deripaska, a Kremlin ally. Eleven Republicans joined with Democrats to support Schumer's resolution, arguing that the Trump administration erred in deciding to lift sanctions on Rusal, the world's second-largest aluminum producer, as well as EN+ Group and JSC EuroSibEnergo.

Wednesday's vote came one day after Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin went to Capitol Hill in an effort to ease Republican senators' concerns about the sanctions plan. He failed to convince those 11 Republicans who broke with Majority Leader Mitch McConnell later Tuesday to vote with Democrats on Schumer's resolution.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/senate-democrats-sanctions-russia/index.html


The plot has thickened.

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Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #291)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:08 AM

331. I must be simple too

Because I see the same thing!

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Response to Cha (Reply #144)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 01:05 AM

295. The meetings were on Capitol Hill. He could have ducked out to vote.

The meetings, which stretched for almost a full day, began near Capitol Hill on Tuesday evening and picked up after the full group convened for breakfast on Wednesday morning.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/16/politics/bernie-sanders-sexual-harassment-campaign-meeting-2020/

He only attended one hour of those meetings, so how did that keep him from voting?


There's no excuse. None. Zip. Nada.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #295)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 01:08 AM

296. Exactly right, SunSeeker.. There is No excuse. Zero.

Senate Democrats' effort to block Trump move on Russia sanctions fails

The sanctions resolution from Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, which required 60 votes to proceed, was defeated in a 57-42 vote. Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders missed the vote.

But the result still represented a symbolic rebuke of the Treasury Department's decision in December to lift the sanctions on the companies tied to Deripaska, a Kremlin ally. Eleven Republicans joined with Democrats to support Schumer's resolution, arguing that the Trump administration erred in deciding to lift sanctions on Rusal, the world's second-largest aluminum producer, as well as EN+ Group and JSC EuroSibEnergo.

Wednesday's vote came one day after Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin went to Capitol Hill in an effort to ease Republican senators' concerns about the sanctions plan. He failed to convince those 11 Republicans who broke with Majority Leader Mitch McConnell later Tuesday to vote with Democrats on Schumer's resolution.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/senate-democrats-sanctions-russia/index.html

The only one to miss the vote was Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. He was meeting with women who had accused his 2016 presidential campaign of sexual misconduct, his spokesman, Josh Miller-Lewis, told CNBC.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/16/senate-democrats-vote-to-block-trump-from-lifting-russia-sanctions-fails.html



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Response to Cha (Reply #296)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 03:46 AM

308. +1000

No Excuse

In my opinion, Sanders if he seriously cared about his work as a Senator for Vermont, for the Inites States and taking a stand against Russia, NEEDED to vote on this yesterday and his failure should be the biggest sign that he neither gave another term as a Senator and definitely not be a Democratic candidate for President of the United States.

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Response to Cha (Reply #144)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:09 PM

357. He voted AGAINST sanctions three times. It's in the OP.

So his not voting this time would have been to not vote for the bill, anyway, one can assume, since that's the way he voted 3 times before. He didn't need to vote, though, because it was known that there were enough "no" votes to deny passage of the resolution/bill.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #357)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:59 PM

388. Every Vote Counts. It was a "symbolic rebuke"

vote against Russia if nothing else.

There's no excuse for him not being there and voting. None.


Senate Democrats' effort to block Trump move on Russia sanctions fails

The sanctions resolution from Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, which required 60 votes to proceed, was defeated in a 57-42 vote. Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders missed the vote.

But the result still represented a symbolic rebuke of the Treasury Department's decision in December to lift the sanctions on the companies tied to Deripaska, a Kremlin ally. Eleven Republicans joined with Democrats to support Schumer's resolution, arguing that the Trump administration erred in deciding to lift sanctions on Rusal, the world's second-largest aluminum producer, as well as EN+ Group and JSC EuroSibEnergo.

Wednesday's vote came one day after Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin went to Capitol Hill in an effort to ease Republican senators' concerns about the sanctions plan. He failed to convince those 11 Republicans who broke with Majority Leader Mitch McConnell later Tuesday to vote with Democrats on Schumer's resolution.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/senate-democrats-sanctions-russia/index.html

The only one to miss the vote was Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. He was meeting with women who had accused his 2016 presidential campaign of sexual misconduct, his spokesman, Josh Miller-Lewis, told CNBC.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/16/senate-democrats-vote-to-block-trump-from-lifting-russia-sanctions-fails.html






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Response to Joe941 (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:41 PM

165. As someone who has a lot of respect for Bernie

This is a BIG DEAL. Sorry, can't easily explain this one away. You are being disingenuous if you try.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:50 AM

319. A very big deal. The vote was very close and Bernie's vote, if he had sided with the Democrats,

could have been crucial. And it would have been a signal that he was as concerned about Russian meddling in the election as the Democrats.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:03 PM

40. We have a big decision to make

as to who we want to be our candidate. Voting records are very important. A lot of people voted for tRump because they ignored the facts. We cannot fall into that trap. Keep the facts coming. If there is an explanation, let's hear it. Truth to power.

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Response to StarryNite (Reply #40)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:05 PM

41. Yep. The FIRST requirement I have and all of us should have is tax returns.

This comes before votes even. When you think about it.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #41)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:06 PM

42. Absolutely!

People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #41)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:29 PM

64. Yes, said it before and will say it again, NO ONE can run on the Democratic ticket

or participate in the Democratic primary debates if they have not released at least 5 years of tax returns. We've already got a crook and possibly a Russian asset in the White House for just that reason.

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Response to StarryNite (Reply #40)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:13 PM

48. Maybe "let's hear it" before we jump all over our own....

Just saying....

You don't have to like him, but these (what end up into bash threads) aren't all that helpful.

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Response to Chakaconcarne (Reply #48)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:48 PM

79. This isn't Independent Underground

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Response to blugbox (Reply #79)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:02 PM

94. Good point!

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Response to blugbox (Reply #79)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:46 PM

169. Hey, I've used that one before

Glad to see someone else gets it.

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Response to Chakaconcarne (Reply #48)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:49 PM

120. I actually voted for him in the 2016 presidential primary

And what I said is hardly jumping all over him. I want truth and facts, I'm funny that way.

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Response to Chakaconcarne (Reply #48)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:30 PM

157. Yeah, they're very helpful because BS

missing this vote on Russian Sanctions isn't getting swept under the carpet.'

The only one to miss the vote was Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. He was meeting with women who had accused his 2016 presidential campaign of sexual misconduct, his spokesman, Josh Miller-Lewis, told CNBC.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/16/senate-democrats-vote-to-block-trump-from-lifting-russia-sanctions-fails.html

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:11 PM

45. Every opportunity to drag Bernie's name through the mud must be pounced upon.

Don't miss a single episode.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #45)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:12 PM

47. What? so is the information incorrect?

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Response to mac56 (Reply #45)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:23 PM

58. Time to add those episodes up

don't ya think?

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Response to mac56 (Reply #45)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:36 PM

66. Boy, you got that right!

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Response to mac56 (Reply #45)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:01 PM

124. Its the favorite pass time for some

 

like skipping stones or going door to door campaigning for tRump.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #45)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:09 PM

131. Gettin' old.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #45)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:22 PM

151. Is his public voting record wrong? You have a problem with his actual record, or just with people...

...who want to talk about it out loud? How is that "mud"?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #151)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 02:23 AM

300. by all means bring it....the criticisms are few, they're just blasted over and over along with

 


the absurd insinuations. At least find some more colorful shit to throw at the wall already.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #300)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 03:19 AM

305. How is a politician's voting record "shit to throw at the wall"?

It's their job.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #305)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 03:57 AM

310. Did they forget?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #305)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 04:06 AM

311. its the hyperbole that is the absurdity here. nt

 




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Response to JCanete (Reply #311)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:24 AM

314. Well, I think it's hyperbole to call discussing a Senator's voting record as:

pettiness
dragging him through the mud
fighting amongst ourselves
refighting 2016
not important because they know votes ahead of time
belittling
everybody misses votes so it doesn't matter
alienating Bernie supporters
the only votes that matter are the ones that make or break legislation
why was this vote pointed out

And so on.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #300)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:29 PM

359. The vote was yesterday (Wednesday) What is the "over and over again"?

Did he vote? Did every other Senator vote?

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Response to mac56 (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 03:56 AM

309. BS did this to himself..

Senate Democrats' effort to block Trump move on Russia sanctions fails

The sanctions resolution from Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, which required 60 votes to proceed, was defeated in a 57-42 vote. Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders missed the vote.

But the result still represented a symbolic rebuke of the Treasury Department's decision in December to lift the sanctions on the companies tied to Deripaska, a Kremlin ally. Eleven Republicans joined with Democrats to support Schumer's resolution, arguing that the Trump administration erred in deciding to lift sanctions on Rusal, the world's second-largest aluminum producer, as well as EN+ Group and JSC EuroSibEnergo.

Wednesday's vote came one day after Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin went to Capitol Hill in an effort to ease Republican senators' concerns about the sanctions plan. He failed to convince those 11 Republicans who broke with Majority Leader Mitch McConnell later Tuesday to vote with Democrats on Schumer's resolution.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/senate-democrats-sanctions-russia/index.html

The only one to miss the vote was Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. He was meeting with women who had accused his 2016 presidential campaign of sexual misconduct, his spokesman, Josh Miller-Lewis, told CNBC.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/16/senate-democrats-vote-to-block-trump-from-lifting-russia-sanctions-fails.html



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Response to mac56 (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 01:55 PM

369. Ironic how these Bernie Bashers are the real dividers

They are doing mucho more to divide and discourage Democrats than anyone. Certainly more than Bernie who has dedicated his life to working with Democrats, fighting Trump, and championing the "little guy", civil rights, universal healthcare.

Yup, they look for anything that can be spun into a negative against one of our most influential Senator ally and litter DU threads with their poisoned pens.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 03:22 PM

376. Well if a statement of a fact is "dragging a name," perhaps that is a problem with the person...

...holding the name, no?

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Response to mac56 (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 04:27 PM

382. Why? Who is afraid of the facts?

 

Let the facts come out.

Where are Bernie's tax returns by the way?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:12 PM

46. Self delete since everything is being flagged.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:16 PM

50. Same old ax....grind away, grind away. That shit gets old faster than elevator music. Grind away.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #50)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:18 PM

51. I am confused, which facts are you questioning?

Did you think one day I just decided to be Anti Bernie?

That there is something in it for me personally?

Or would it matter to you if you found out I even voted for him in my primary, BEFORE I figured out some stuff.

That I listened to him with Thom Hartmann weekly for YEARS and nodded my head in agreement with him back before most ever heard of him?

But then I learned some things, noticed things, figured out some things. Just like when I make a mistake on this board I RACE to the thread to be the FIRST to admit I was wrong.

I am not involved here or in politics to score points or to be on the winning side of something. I think we are about to be all overtaken by a foreign power or killed by a nuclear war and to prevent that I am trying to do my part.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:38 AM

315. I don't question your facts Mr. Rosewater.

I do realize though that even progressive politicians are flawed like the rest of us. This man has drawn a massive following, because he champions the common welfare of our working class and the poor. He speaks out consistently against the crushing grip corporate America has on us all, and while not a Democrat himself, heís introduced progressive ideas into mainstream democratic rhetoric that have helped to define the differences between us and republican/conservative/authoritarians. I believe that many of our new crop of enthusiastic young reps are positively influenced by his energy and message. I appreciate that. He is not a saint, and Iím fairly certain no democrats are either...✌🏽

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #315)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 04:31 PM

383. Corporate America is NOT an enemy

 

People who govern Corporate America and allow it to abuse people are the Republicans. THEY are the enemy.

Blaming corporations for everything would be attacking people who provide innovation and create employment for millions. That strategy is wrong. Regulate the corporations so that they are kept on the straight and narrow otherwise we'd be throwing a baby out the window because it is crying too much.

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Response to Apollyonus (Reply #383)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 04:26 AM

403. I would argue that corporate greed leads to environmental degradation and political corruption

which casts corporations as the enemy of all humanity.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #403)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 07:05 AM

404. Corporations are the enemy of all humanity?

Many people work for corporations. When the big banks and corporations are all broken up, where will people work? Collective farms?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #404)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 07:38 AM

405. Individuals work in Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Agri, Massive mining, The big banks, Industrial fishing

People must work, of course, but the corporate giantsí crimes against our environment, and therefore humanity, are no less heinous because good people must earn a living working for them.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #405)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:00 AM

408. You forget a major part of capitalism

 

A corporation's (or any business's) only goal is to make money for its shareholders. The business really has no allegiance to "humanity" -- it only has to adhere to the "law"

So I'll say it again .... blame the republicans for weakening the laws -- not the corporations. It is up to the people to make laws to keep corporations from anything untoward.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #50)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:29 PM

65. just whisper the name of anyone even associated with Bernie....

 

and an ugly mob will form.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #65)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:56 PM

89. You mean Oleg Deripaska?

Thatís who todayís bill was about. I am not surprised most DUíers are not fans of Putinís pet oligarch who helped put Trumpin the White House.

Not surprised that DUíers are upset that the Senate voted to lift sanctions on Deripaska because Trump told them to.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #89)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:16 PM

102. I'm also not surprised that Bernie skipped the vote to go meet with victims of sexual harrassment...

 

in his campaign.

The whips know the count. Bernie knew that his vote wouldn't matter. This meeting mattered very much to the people who were harassed. He gave them the full attention they deserved.

Only people who hate Bernie cared about missing a vote that had no impact on the outcome.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #102)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:19 PM

103. Yes it is good he met with them.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #102)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:48 PM

172. If he voted instead the headlines would be: Bernie Sanders Refuses to meet with victims of

sexual harrassment. There is no winning either way when it comes to Bernie on DU.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #102)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 02:32 AM

301. He was at that meeting for less than an hour.

The meeting went on all day and he could of have easily planned his group encounter around the floor vote.

jftr - Senators Murkowski and Romney probably voted no today because they knew BS was not in the chamber and it was going down so they decided not to piss off their partners in crime, also known as Republicans.

BS has ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not voting. I can only assume he simply did not want to go on the record against Deripaska.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #301)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 08:36 PM

391. Bernie knew the whip count. Your "probably" and what you "assume" are just thoughts in your head.

 

Implying that Bernie is aligned with Deripaska is a bridge too far, even for Bernie haters.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #391)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 09:31 PM

393. At least I can think. nt

Last edited Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:59 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #89)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:19 PM

147. LOL. nt

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:18 PM

52. ...




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Response to orangecrush (Reply #52)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:01 PM

221. Talkin' bout MY generation nt

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Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:30 PM

239. ...



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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:21 PM

53. Just wow! I expected him to fight to maintain THESE sanctions

on Deripaska. He came up with something of a rationale for his previous votes, but THIS one? If something happened, his vote might have been critical.

There can be no valid reason for refusing to stand against Trump and the Republicans as they lift the sanctions on Deripaska.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #53)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:23 PM

57. And there you go.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #57)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:42 PM

73. How about you? I never trusted his judgement and this

could be just another example of his failure to realize when he's going wrong.

But shouldn't people who intend to vote for someone require explanations for questionable behaviors? Forget why he wasn't there when with all the Democratic senators, we know he doesn't run with them. But he's "the anti-oligarch candidate," and this is ALL about being anti-oligarch?

I actually don't need a much better explanation than that he was busy with some minor personal matter, but if I were you I would.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #73)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:45 PM

75. Oh I came to a STARTLING conclusion about him 2 years ago.

I did a great deal of research, paid CLOSE attention to everything.

But, people wont listen so why bother.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #75)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:54 PM

86. Sorry, Eliot. My husband distracted me and I came back and

thought I was talking to someone else. Trumpsters are not the only ones who pride themselves unconditional loyalty.



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Response to Hortensis (Reply #86)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:57 PM

90. NO problem, I enjoyed the question as it gave me an opportunity to expand on my position.

We are in real trouble if certain things dont change and soon.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #90)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:32 PM

109. slightly OT: almost trashed 'yet another bernie' thread ...

Then I noticed who started it.

Thanks for the info.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #109)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:32 PM

110. You are welcome

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #110)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:05 PM

127. Yes, thanks. This one is a real wowser.

I "listened" when I read the OP, all right, and re-listened to see if I had it right. The "anti-oligarch" was the ONLY one of 100 senators not to show up for this very significant vote. Kirsten Gillibrand rescheduled her campaign kickoff to fly back to DC.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:22 PM

55. I've been slammed and alerted repeatedly about my thoughts on him

that's all I'll about that at this point.

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Response to nini (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 04:35 PM

385. Really? On a DEMOCRATIC message board?

 

I'm new here but if that is true, that sounds like opposition is being forced into silence.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:24 PM

59. K&R from a former Bernie supporter.

I will not close my eyes and I will ask questions of Bernie and anybody/everybody else. Nobody gets a pass concerning Russia/foreign money.

I've had enough.

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Response to MelissaB (Reply #59)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:25 PM

60. Thanks. I was so focused on healthcare for so long that I didnt want

to look at some stuff.

Because for some folks the luxury of worrying about russia is actually a luxury if they dont have healthcare and they do have cancer.

But at some point, AT SOME POINT people have to ask questions.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #60)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:20 PM

105. Hear hear!

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Response to MelissaB (Reply #59)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:51 PM

276. Same here

I voted for him in the 2016 presidential primary, will not do it again. When we know better, we do better.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:26 PM

61. This Concerns Me

I'll hear all sides, I'm not predisposed one way or another.
Certainly Bernie's absence is curious.
The vigorous response is curiouser.
"Methinks thou doth protest too much" is what comes to mind.


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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #61)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:27 PM

62. Oh yeah, the RESPONSE by me and others is the problem...got it.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:28 PM

63. Just too many questions about him.

I'm sorry I caucused for him; won't do it again.

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Response to Lucca2 (Reply #63)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:04 PM

126. Some posts on this thread

 

remind me of Russian bot posts on twitter back in the day.

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Response to elmac (Reply #126)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:02 PM

179. The ones who said look the other way, there is nothing to this Russia thing?

You know who else said that?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:38 PM

68. Sanders Has Shown Us Who He is--We Should Believe Him

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Response to dlk (Reply #68)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:39 PM

69. Thank YOU

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Response to dlk (Reply #68)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:38 PM

202. A Jewish Democratic Socialist from Vermont? Yes, he is. Do you have a problem?

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:41 PM

70. Not much I can really say about this...

Except this is some really odd timing:


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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #70)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:25 PM

191. It's very odd that some people are obsessed with tearing down Sanders. Who's paying them?

 

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #191)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:50 PM

211. This is dodging the issue.

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #191)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:06 PM

227. So, you are calling anyone who doesn't support Sanders

or who are disturbed by his actions paid trolls???

You better have proof of that before using this blanket insult here on DU.



Absolutely ONLY! 2019 and beyond.

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #191)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:17 PM

231. Having fun? Oops, I mean did you have fun?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #231)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:25 PM

236. Yup...

Another one throws themselves on the proverbial FFR sword.

ONLY! 2019 and beyond.

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Response to revmclaren (Reply #236)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:29 PM

260. That one was trying way too hard.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #231)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:25 PM

259. +1...



Sid

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #191)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 08:52 AM

340. I voted for Sanders in the primary, so

why don't you tell who *you* think it is?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #70)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 04:24 PM

380. Apparently, he was at that meeting only for an hour

 

even though it was spun as a daylong meeting to make everyone think he was there the entire day.

He could have easily gone and voted.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:41 PM

71. What's his excuse for missing this crucial vote?

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Response to yardwork (Reply #71)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:46 PM

77. He's previously voted against Russian sanctions. This is part of a pattern.

He voted against the Magnitsky Act, among other bills.

https://ivn.us/2017/08/03/meet-5-lawmakers-voted-against-russia-sanctions-bill/

President Trump signed new sanctions against Russia, Iran, and North Korea after overwhelming bipartisan support in Congress.

The vote on new sanctions comes as an investigation into possible election meddling and cyberattacks by Russia continues. It was one of the rare instances where both sides of the aisle were able to come together and pass legislation

But there were 5 US lawmakers who voted against the bill: 4 libertarians and 1 progressive independent.

Those lawmakers were US Reps. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), John Duncan Jr. (R-Tenn.), and US Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)

An interesting group, to be sure.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:43 PM

74. Must not be serious about running again.

No excuse for this.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:47 PM

78. I can clearly draw a conclusion from this. n/t

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:48 PM

80. The optics are horrible for Bernie.

while Iím mildly interested in knowing why he could not be bothered to vote against lifting sanctions on an enemy of the United States, there really is no good reason for not showing up and voting NO. Voting records matter. If he truly had a conflict, a statement should have been issued. Those who give him a pass on this, well,

But, maybe I shouldnít care...Bernie isnít a Democrat anyway.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:49 PM

81. To busy running for President to serve as Senator.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #81)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:53 PM

85. He voted against the Magnitsky Act, and more recent sanctions bills.

President Trump signed new sanctions against Russia, Iran, and North Korea after overwhelming bipartisan support in Congress.

The vote on new sanctions comes as an investigation into possible election meddling and cyberattacks by Russia continues. It was one of the rare instances where both sides of the aisle were able to come together and pass legislation

But there were 5 US lawmakers who voted against the bill: 4 libertarians and 1 progressive independent.

Those lawmakers were US Reps. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), John Duncan Jr. (R-Tenn.), and US Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)

An interesting group, to be sure.



https://ivn.us/2017/08/03/meet-5-lawmakers-voted-against-russia-sanctions-bill/

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:51 PM

82. @SenGillibrand changed her campaign kickoff schedule to return to DC for a cloture vote

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #82)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:52 PM

84. Yeah, it was important. Again there are ONLY TWO reasons NOT to vote.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:00 PM

92. Not a good move

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:01 PM

93. Not good.

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:20 PM

106. And we lost by just one vote......

Or not. I'd guess he might have made more of an effort to vote if it were close. We should give him the benefit of that doubt, I think. Independent or Democrat he's been a faithful friend.

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Response to Red Mountain (Reply #106)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:46 PM

118. So that the new "Sander's Rule"?

Only show up if the vote is close?? Pathetic.

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Response to Red Mountain (Reply #106)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:21 PM

150. He voted AGAINST sanction three times. It's in the OP.

So he doesn't need a benefit of the doubt. He has made his position clear. No sanctions on Russia.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #150)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:59 PM

178. Is there an answer on record?

Question: Why do you vote against Russia sanctions?

If he won't answer or doesn't answer satisfactorily.......you win. You get to ascribe a motive.

Short of that why pick a fight with family?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:21 PM

107. Gee when you lay it out just like that...sure does look odd. nt

 

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #107)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:40 PM

204. lol

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:27 PM

108. Exhibit A as to why Bernie can't be trusted.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:34 PM

111. WTF Bernie?

I think we're done here.
Former supporter

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:36 PM

112. this is not and / or

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #112)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:37 PM

114. What? This is, especially when added to past actions, a very big deal.

This is a STATEMENT even.

People can choose to ignore this or not, I cant control that.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:41 PM

116. I encountered a real, live Bernie or Buster on Facebook last week.

The topic of who should run in 2020 came up. One or two people said it should be Bernie. I wasn't going to say anything until one of them started bringing up the whole DNC conspiracy bologna and polls that showed him beating Trump before he'd ever really faced a hard-core negative campaign.

Any effort I made to address these issues was rebuffed, as though I was part of a conspiracy myself.

I really am concerned about this group in 2020.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:47 PM

119. He is dead to me from this point forward. I will never support Bernie for anything.

He and Jill Stein have shown that they were agents to upset HRC. If he canít show up and vote on the Russian sanction issue - when it is clear without Muellerís report that Putin owns the orange ass and half the GOP - that Putin effectively took over the executive branch of this country - I have no use for him.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:52 PM

121. I wonder if anyone has asked Sen. Sanders about it?

Only he can explain his actions.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:07 PM

130. I noticed that many of the anti bernie posts on this thread

 

are all fairly new DU members, interesting, isn't it.

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Response to elmac (Reply #130)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:12 PM

135. But are they true?

 

Facts are facts.

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Response to elmac (Reply #130)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:56 PM

175. You sure about that?

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Response to elmac (Reply #130)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:19 PM

232. Like it or not, Senator Sanders voting record will be examined if he chooses to run in 2020

Heíll be vetted by the press this time, as well as other primary candidate.

Probably best to prepare substantive and coherent defenses of his votes now, rather than insinuate criticism of his questionable votes are coming from trolls.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #232)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:04 PM

355. +1.

It's strange that some are defending pro-Trump-position votes.

Me...I try not to let personal loyalty prevent me from seeing facts.

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Response to elmac (Reply #130)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 07:28 AM

339. I've noticed that Sanders supporters are fairly new posters

Such as yourself. Some of us have been around long enough to know a dog and pony show when we see it.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:10 PM

132. I wish Bernie would quit his national aspirations.

He's turned me off. He's on his team, not our team. IMO.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:13 PM

136. Bernie didn't have to show up to vote

We already know where he stands on Russia and Putin interfering in our elections.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:14 PM

137. O M G. I'm floored by this. nt

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:15 PM

138. I honestly wonder how he would have voted today if he had bothered to show up.

Bernie Sanders voted w Republicans against Russian sanctions:

2012 Magnitsky Act- Nay
2014 Russia Sanctions- Nay
2017 Russia Sanctions- Nay (twice)

Today, Bernie Sanders did not show up to vote on sanctions.
I honestly wonder how he would have voted today if he had bothered to show up. Based on all these previous votes against Russian sanctions, it's reasonable for people to have doubts that he'd have voted any differently today anyway.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:15 PM

139. As soon as I get home I'm burning all my Bernie stickers, hats, shirts, action figures & books

 

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Response to mastermind (Reply #139)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 04:39 PM

386. Burning causes pollution

 

Donate. I'm sure there is someone who will worship them out there.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:16 PM

141. No word from trump about the 4 dead US soldiers

No word from trump about the 4 dead US soldiers in Syria.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:18 PM

145. OMG, now I know how to get my posts to the greatest section

 

just post some crap about Bernie, its a sure thing!

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Response to mastermind (Reply #145)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:23 PM

154. BS brings it on himself by missing the vote on Rusian Sanctions

because he had to address the women who were "sexually harassed".

The only one to miss the vote was Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. He was meeting with women who had accused his 2016 presidential campaign of sexual misconduct, his spokesman, Josh Miller-Lewis, told CNBC.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/16/senate-democrats-vote-to-block-trump-from-lifting-russia-sanctions-fails.html

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Response to Cha (Reply #154)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:21 PM

184. And Yet, He Couldn't Meet With The Women When It Was Happening

because he was too busy campaigning...always an excuse

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Response to Me. (Reply #184)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:52 PM

213. Right! He was "too busy".. and now

he's too busy to vote for Russian Sanctions 'cause he was too busy with confronting the time he was too busy to know about the "sexual harassment" and the "$30,000 settlement".

"Micromanager" that he was purported to be.

Bernie Sanders apologizes, says he didn't know about 30k settlement of 2016 campaign staffer

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-apologizes-says-he-didnt-know-about-30000-settlement-of-2016-campaign-staffer-accused-of-sexual-harassment/2019/01/10/db2c061e-14fc-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211652213

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:20 PM

148. Why?

Why wouldnít he show up? What the hell....

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:21 PM

149. Children, its 2019

 

let it go, that mean ol Mr Bernie can't hurt you anymore

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Response to mastermind (Reply #149)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:23 PM

152. He's possibly running again in 2020. Besides...

anyone who ran under the Democratic Party's banner, siding with Trump and Russia is a matter of concern to all Democrats.

If you don't care, that's your business. Try not to denigrate the adults in the room who are taking care of business. There are few things more important than how a politician votes. That's what institutes sanctions, removes them, makes laws, changes laws.

It's important how anyone who ran under the Dem Party banner voted, and currently votes.

That's a cute cartoon on PBS channel with a song about how a bill becomes a law, if you want to view that to see why votes are important.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #152)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 02:03 AM

297. I do enjoy threads like this

 

gives me lots of bernie haters to add to my ignore list

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Response to mastermind (Reply #297)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 04:34 AM

312. please ignore me too

thanks

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Response to mastermind (Reply #297)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:59 AM

351. Your comments over the short time you've belonged, have been noticed.

This is a DEMOCRATIC forum.

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Response to mastermind (Reply #297)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 01:49 PM

368. That cuts both ways!

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Response to mastermind (Reply #149)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:06 PM

180. And get off of my lawn!

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:23 PM

153. Instead of being a leader, Sanders was a no-show.

 

He is supposedly presidential material yet he canít jump in on something like this and deliver two more votes to get it across the line. He did the same thing in the 2000ís when he voted with Republicans to block a pathway to citizenship. We only needed a couple of more votes then, as well. Just as he did today, he couldnít be a leader and deliver just a couple of votes for the greater good.

I think itís funny that people think he would make a good executive.

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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #153)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:31 PM

158. If he had shown up, he would have voted w/the Republicans, like before.

The OP says he has voted three times AGAINST Russia sanctions. He's made his position clear, it seems.

His vote wasn't needed this time, since the Republicans had the votes to kill the Democratic bill.

This is why it's important to note the difference between someone who uses the Democratic Party banner at times when it's convenient, but isn't really a Democrat, and doesn't sign onto the Democratic Party Platform. There is a difference.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #158)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:36 PM

160. I do get that.

 

Itís happened more than once and not just with respect to Russia. He is not a legislative leader. Not sure why people turn that around to think he would make a good executive leader.

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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #160)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:38 PM

161. Hmmm. Not sure you get the point. It's not leadership that is lacking.

It's his position on Russia that is lacking. He is indeed leading...he's leading those who are independents like himself, who agree with Democrats much of the time, but have a different view of Russia. Have the gumption to vote against sanctions, he has shown.

I have always questioned why he was running as a Democrat, when he was never, and is not, a Democrat. If he agreed w/the Democratic Party Platform, he'd be a member of the Democratic Party.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #161)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:44 PM

167. One does not negate the other.

 

He has not been a leader for the party he wishes to be President of. He also seems to have a thing for Russian oligarchs.

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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #167)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:02 PM

354. True dat. (stealing a phrase from the younger generation)

I'm too for that phrase, but I do like it. You are right, tho. One does not negate the other.

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Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:05 PM

226. Bernie is better than Hillary? Is that your view?

 

Who did you vote for? Hmm?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:26 PM

155. I wonder if the word "oligarchs" will disappear from his speeches like "millionaires" did.

From now, every time he rails against oligarchs we're going to think of his voting record.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #155)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:19 PM

183. Yep, Now That He A Millionaire

Billionaires are the target

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Response to betsuni (Reply #155)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:25 PM

192. Stop it.

 

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #192)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:34 PM

198. ...

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Response to betsuni (Reply #198)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:35 PM

199. ok.

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:35 PM

159. The missing vote was bad optics

But only that since his vote wasn't deciding and he was busy meeting with the women who were harassed in his campaign. I'm sure Senator Durbin (the Minority whip) would've told him to come quickly if he would've been a deciding vote. I still think Sanders is an important voice in the Senate.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:39 PM

163. His assignment was to attack Hillary from the left.

He did. He is suspect. These Russian votes prove it imo.

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Response to apcalc (Reply #163)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:37 PM

201. You are suspect. Your divisive conspiratorial rhetoric proves it imo

 

See, that wasn't so hard!

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #201)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:28 AM

334. ...hmmm... still waiting for tax returns, and a full accounting of campaign finances...

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Response to apcalc (Reply #163)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 08:57 PM

392. +1, and the Tad Devine and Paul Manafort connection explains

a lot of the similarities in attacking Hillary....

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:40 PM

164. Numbers don't lie.(nt)

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:47 PM

170. Exactly how deep have the penetrated our political system?

Pretty deep it seems. I wonder who exactly is on their payroll.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:58 PM

177. He appears to be conflicted.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:26 PM

194. Who cares. Sanders is a great political fighter.

 

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #194)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:24 PM

235. So Many People Care.

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #194)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:09 AM

284. I care.

A lot. Iím not anti Bernie, Iím pro getting the Russians the fuck out of our country, elections, WH, Congress etc. Wish Bernie felt the same. His voting record on sanctions proves he does not.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:36 PM

200. Oh no! They lost by Bernie's one vote?????





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Response to Autumn (Reply #200)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:49 PM

209. lol, right?

 

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Response to TSheehan (Reply #209)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:52 PM

212. If he had left wherever he was to vote he would have been criticized for leaving

somewhere else to go vote when his vote wouldn't have made a difference.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #212)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:49 PM

273. Pretty much this

 

The "Sen. Sanders Outrage Flow Chart" is very convenient and easy to use as all paths lead to outrage.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #212)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:37 PM

363. We won't know for sure, will we?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #200)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:04 PM

225. BS was too busy..

he was too busy to vote for Russian Sanctions 'cause he was too busy confronting the time he was too busy to know about the "sexual harassment" and the "$30,000 settlement".

"Micromanager" that he was purported to be.

Bernie Sanders apologizes, says he didn't know about 30k settlement of 2016 campaign staffer

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-apologizes-says-he-didnt-know-about-30000-settlement-of-2016-campaign-staffer-accused-of-sexual-harassment/2019/01/10/db2c061e-14fc-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211652213

The only one to miss the vote was Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. He was meeting with women who had accused his 2016 presidential campaign of sexual misconduct, his spokesman, Josh Miller-Lewis, told CNBC.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/16/senate-democrats-vote-to-block-trump-from-lifting-russia-sanctions-fails.html




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Response to Cha (Reply #225)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:35 PM

242. The headline would have been Sanders blew off sexual misconduct victims to vote on

a bill that had no chance of passing in the Senate. You made my point. to you.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #242)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:41 PM

243. No, I didn't, and "sexual harassment" is Not funny.

BS didn't even stay for an hour.

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Response to Cha (Reply #243)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:55 PM

245. No one said "sexual harassment" was funny. Nice try. He missed the vote people are pissed,

he didn't leave the meeting people are pissed, he didn't stay long enough at the meeting people are pissed.

Now that shit is funny. He was damned by some people no matter what he would have done.

The headline could be "Bernie Sanders caught walking on water...."

a two day discussion would be the "The SOB can't swim."

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Response to Autumn (Reply #245)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:12 PM

252. Keep laughing..

"..private meeting, told CNN Sanders was present for "about an hour" and described him as "conciliatory"

https://www.keyt.com/news/national-world/sanders-meets-with-campaign-staffers-who-raised-harassment-allegations/978568943

BS had time to make both the "sexual harassment meeting" and the ".. symbolic rebuke" against Dems efforts to block trump's move..

Senate Democrats' effort to block Trump move on Russia sanctions fails

The sanctions resolution from Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, which required 60 votes to proceed, was defeated in a 57-42 vote. Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders missed the vote.

But the result still represented a symbolic rebuke of the Treasury Department's decision in December to lift the sanctions on the companies tied to Deripaska, a Kremlin ally. Eleven Republicans joined with Democrats to support Schumer's resolution, arguing that the Trump administration erred in deciding to lift sanctions on Rusal, the world's second-largest aluminum producer, as well as EN+ Group and JSC EuroSibEnergo.

Wednesday's vote came one day after Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin went to Capitol Hill in an effort to ease Republican senators' concerns about the sanctions plan. He failed to convince those 11 Republicans who broke with Majority Leader Mitch McConnell later Tuesday to vote with Democrats on Schumer's resolution.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/senate-democrats-sanctions-russia/index.html

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Response to Cha (Reply #252)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:19 PM

254. I will keep laughing. Cause it's funny as fuck how people complain about everything

Bernie does, they also complain about everything he doesn't do

Now if you'll excuse me I'm trashing the thread. Toodaloo or mahalo, whichever means see ya Cha.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #254)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:27 AM

289. Yeah, keep yucking it up.

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Response to Cha (Reply #243)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:00 PM

248. Spending an hour at a daylong meeting comes really close to "blowing it off."

It seems to me. Wonder why it had to be that exact hour when it went on all day?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #248)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:05 PM

251. You should call his office and ask them. nt

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Response to Autumn (Reply #251)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:21 PM

256. Can't, I'm a little bit busy.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #256)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:49 PM

274. ..

TouFreakingChe!

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Response to betsuni (Reply #248)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:19 PM

255. Who knows what mr "micromanager" had in mind..

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BS could have made both the "symbolic rebuke" of the Senate Dems effort to block trump's move.. and the "sexual harassment" meeting.

The excuses aren't working.

"..private meeting, told CNN Sanders was present for "about an hour" and described him as "conciliatory"

https://www.keyt.com/news/national-world/sanders-meets-with-campaign-staffers-who-raised-harassment-allegations/978568943

Senate Democrats' effort to block Trump move on Russia sanctions fails

The sanctions resolution from Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, which required 60 votes to proceed, was defeated in a 57-42 vote. Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders missed the vote.

But the result still represented a symbolic rebuke of the Treasury Department's decision in December to lift the sanctions on the companies tied to Deripaska, a Kremlin ally. Eleven Republicans joined with Democrats to support Sch