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[TSheehan]

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[krispos42]

1. Something similar can be said of, say Gillibrand.

[TSheehan]

3. Your point?

[krispos42]

9. Is stated above. However, since you're the OPer...

... I'll say if you want more depth of discussion you'd better give some.

[TSheehan]

13. What's wrong with Gillibrand? Is she such a horrible person?

What did she do that was so horrible?

[kimbutgar]

5. +1

Will never forgive her for what she did to Al Franken.

[TSheehan]

6. What did she do? She's been pretty consistent about standing up for victims of sexual assault.

Or is it suddenly an off-limits issue when there's a (D) next to the man's name?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. He's not irreplaceable but he got a raw deal.

Two different issues. He was a very good Senator and he got a screwing he didn't deserve.

[TSheehan]

4. I think those women got a raw deal too.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. How so?

[TSheehan]

11. Sexual harassment and assault.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

16. Anonymous claims, one of which was that he touched her waist (gasp!)

and a setup by a pal of Sean Hannity and Roger Stone? Franken asked for an investigation which would have either substantiated or disproved the claims and he never got one. He should have been allowed at least that much.

[brush]

10. Late to the partty with this. We've discussed this issue several times a year ago.

[TSheehan]

12. Well then you can tell the posters who keep saying "I miss Al Franken" to stop too.

[enough]

14. It's not about being irreplaceable, it's about being a remarkably effective and

powerful communicator in public. Simply “replacing” him with another Democratic Senator does not bring us those same strengths in our current battle, where we need all the strengths we can bring together.

[TSheehan]

15. Do we take the issues of sexual harassment and sexual assault seriously or not?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. We do. Franken asked for an investigation, which suggested that he was serious, too.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

19. Do we take them serious enough to have an actual investigation

Or do we go with hearsay?

In Al Franken's case we went with hearsay.

[LongtimeAZDem]

23. Yes, that's why we investigate claims, and give the accused the chance to defend themselves. We don't

hold witch hunts and convict people without evidence.

[marble falls]

17. I suppose you really could say that about any sitting Senator. What happened to Al Franken ...

shouldn't have happened.

[TSheehan]

22. What happened to those women shouldn't have happened.

[USALiberal]

20. Nice try! nt