I'm Angry as Hell about Covington Shitballs, But Exactly What Can be Done?

[ProudLib72]

Let's just say I'm tired of waiting on people to take action that never comes. What can be done that is legal and moral? Evidently, doxxing the kids is immoral (though I think at 18 you are an adult). Writing to the school? How long will they "investigate"? A year? At least long enough for these kids to graduate and go off to college?

So what can we do? I'm seriously asking here.

[samnsara]

1. constant public shaming and outrage..it may affect their

...enrollment. Seems there's been a lot of overlooked shenanigans there anyway.

[ProudLib72]

4. Yes, but without doxxing?

That's the hangup for me. Or maybe resort to doxxing the parents instead?

I guess just a public shaming of Covington in general would have some effect.

[cwydro]

19. I'm sure his name is out there somewhere.

Obviously the media has been in touch with the asshole’s mother.

[Squinch]

27. It is out there. There was a false one, but now the real one is out there.

[cwydro]

30. I haven't been plugged in today, so to speak.

Guess I missed it.

I hope he’s at least expelled.

[Squinch]

32. I hope the parents and chaperones are doxxed.

[cwydro]

34. Agree, but one thing confuses me about doxxing.

I always thought it meant revealing addresses, workplace, phone numbers etc.

Is just revealing the names also considered doxxing?

[Squinch]

35. I think so. I personally would never repeat any more than a name.

[cwydro]

40. Yeah, I don't have a problem with names getting out there.

That asshole knew what he was doing.

[Squinch]

29. Doxxing the parents seems to me like the best option. And the chaperones.

[UniteFightBack]

8. I also think the more this behavior is exposed the more Americans are not going to like it...

even just the 'prejudiced' ones...A good example is my sister. She has prejudices, biases....but she is not an all out racist. I think people like that will get disgusted along with us and say hold on a freaking minute here...this is not what we want to be.

At least that's what I'm hoping...always gotta hope!

[snowybirdie]

2. Expulsion will not solve the problem

These young need to be exposed to non racist thinking and the school needs to reeds to re-educate them in the core principles of Catholicism and Christianity. Our society has lost this. Punishment alone can't change minds.

[Initech]

12. And doxxing definitely won't solve this problem either.

I think that a lot of the problem is the community. These kids aren't just naturally racist in nature. Racism is a learned trait that really comes from the environment they live in. We could also attribute it to the internet too. I wouldn't be surprised if they posted on 4chan or /pol/.

[LeftInTX]

3. I'm thinking Catholic boys schools..

May think twice about the long distance trek to Washington DC for RTL march.

Maybe they will think twice about having their students pose in MAGA hats in official publications.

Some parents will talk to their kids. But racist parents won't.
Some kids in the video will get in trouble.

Other than that, I don't think this incident will change racism.

[ProudLib72]

5. Maybe these little fuckers need to get the tuba treatment in DC

&t=16s

Racism is racism is racism. These little fuckers are exactly the same as white nationalists. That needs to to be stressed.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

10. I have never heard "Ride of the Valkyrie" performed on a tuba.

But that was hilarious.

[Judi Lynn]

33. Wonderful! What a tremendous idea. Hope he will be doing that again! Thank you. n/t

[dflprincess]

7. I keep hoping the Pope will make a comment

Though I imagine the parents who send their sons to this school consider Francis "too liberal".

[RKP5637]

6. There is a petition going around that might have some clout! I've included the URL for it.

https://act.faithfulamerica.org/sign/covington_high/?t=1&akid=1400%2E161463%2ESYifdL

[ProudLib72]

14. Just signed it. Thanks!

[RKP5637]

17. ...

[smirkymonkey]

26. Signed!

Thank you!

[Kajun Gal]

36. I signed!

[Donkees]

9. Covington Travel Ban. ''When Covington sends its people, they're not sending their best ... ''

''When Covington sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with them. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.''

[Miigwech]

11. How'bout making them volunteer

on the Omaha reservation for the summer? Might give them some character and, introduce them to manhood, where their school, parents, and religion have failed.

[ProudLib72]

18. That would be nice.

Remain incommunicado from their parents for three months. Just have a native foreman directing them. Oh, they could build some houses, a school, improve the roads, get groceries (not sure about the food desert situation on that rez). There is no end of the things they could do!

[Politicub]

13. Exercise our freedom of speech

Make it well known that the kid's behavior is unacceptable.

His actions have consequences. He should learn that.

[ProudLib72]

15. Yes, I totally agree. However, we already have his mom responding

Saying that her poor wittle son is being harassed. So we have competing social media platforms, and the MSM is not likely to take a side. That's what really bothers me. Without any actual criminal punishment, freedom of speech becomes a yelling match between left and right. Drives me up the frigging wall! So frustrating!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

16. What's your goal? What do you want to happen?

[ProudLib72]

20. Excellent question

My primary goals would be 1) to expose their behavior as racist (I want that label to stick, no weaseling out, no excusing) 2) provide some sort of consequence to serve as instruction for them. It's the second part that I'm most concerned with. Whatever consequence is chosen, it needs to be a form of restorative justice. That's why I like the idea of them doing community service on the reservation for the summer.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. My response:

1. Expose to whom? What would it look like to have that label "stick"?

2a. Are you in a position to provide a consequence? Are you in a position to influence those who are?

2b. Are you Native American? Many in the NA community are pushing back on the idea of community service on reservations, which can set up a mindset of white savior-ism or reinforce the idea that Native Americans are people who deserve only pity and charity, rather than fostering empathy.

[ProudLib72]

41. Ok, to take it further

1) Expose the kids, the chaperones, the school through censure? Now what that looks like could be as simple as a statement from the archdiocese (which has already happened: http://www.weku.fm/post/officials-diocese-covington-kentucky-high-school-apologize-students-actions ). It could be a stiffer "punishment" in not allowing students from that school to participate in any public rallies. But for it to stick, the archdiocese would need to use the term "racism" in their denouncement.

2a) I'm not sure. That's part of why I was asking the question in the OP. But I suppose that writing to the school or to the archdiocese of Covington might be a start. Would it be influential in any way?

2b) Nope, not native. I can understand the sentiment. If not on the reservation itself, there are plenty of other places service could be done (for instance, the Kentucky Native American Heritage Museum: https://www.knahm.org/ ). Barring outright service to the community, then empathy class.

[bitterross]

21. Nothing is going to be done.

They are already out there whitesplaining why the poor boys were provoked into doing what they did. As if that forgives it.

[flotsam]

23. It's already done, for better or worse....

Will Pitt posited today that "The internet always wins". I'll add this-the internet along with "Rock and Roll" never forgets. Just like the mention of Pitt's name will years later recall a single particular criticism of President Obama these bastards have received their asterisk and for the balance of their life it will accompany them on every public mention. If nothing else brings them notoriety in their lifetime then that photo will appear in their Obit. Several will try to capitalize and as many to hide it away. Hell, a few may even try to atone. But the moving finger has writ etc, etc, etc. So let it be written, so let it be done...

[Turbineguy]

24. You can be thankful

they are not your kids or relatives. I know I am.

[LiberalFighter]

25. This needs to be twofer.

Slam the kids and chaperones for their behavior.

But also slam the March for Life by connecting the behavior to the group.

[ProudLib72]

43. Like Family Research Council and many other RW nonprofits

BTW: Guess whose campaign FRC contributed to? Roy Moore!

[beachbum bob]

28. The kids live and die by social media for starters...

[elfin]

31. How about billboards all over Kentucky?

With the best memes about the incident and other pithy messages.

Might help with the shunning of the school and these awful kids.

[Freddie]

37. That the chaperones/teachers let them wear MAGA hats

Is all we need to know. To the brainwashed “pro-life” idiots, Trump is on the right side because he gives lip service to their singular issue. As long as they can’t see beyond that issue, the hate will stay.

[dawg day]

38. Email the school principal, point out that this was a school event--

and ask what a Catholic school should do with a student who deliberately intimidated an old man out of racism?

And if they say, "It's not racism!"

Reply... "Well, that just shows what you are teaching your boys, and we better let the world know: Covington Boys School thinks it's just fine for its students to intimidate and insult non-white army veterans performing a religious ceremony!"

The school has the most to use, and unlike the unfortunate nasty mom, they don't love this big brat. They don't want bad publicity.

[JDZ710A]

39. Here is the solution

We old Native Americans don't like to be taunted...especially in our face.

Send the young man that did the "in face" taunting down to Camp Lejeune; for three months of Marine Corp boot training and the young man wish he was in hell, as it would be better on his body and soul.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

42. Let it be

[kacekwl]

44. Point out what had behavior by students and poor

school example as has already been done on social media etc. and move on with your life.