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Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:20 PM

Kamala Harris, African American???

Kamala Harris is cool. I like her, but...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris#Early_life_and_education

Kamala Harris was born on October 20, 1964, in Oakland, California, to a Tamil Indian mother and a Jamaican father.

Her mother is from Tamil Nadu in Southern India, and her father is from Jamaica, so it seems quite a stretch for MSNBC and other news agencies to call her an "African American."

She has ancestors who came from Africa, you say? The entire homo sapiens species has ancestors that came from Africa!

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Reply Kamala Harris, African American??? (Original post)
Towlie Jan 2019 OP
redstatebluegirl Jan 2019 #1
grumpyduck Jan 2019 #34
UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #2
treestar Jan 2019 #3
brush Jan 2019 #39
pangaia Jan 2019 #53
Recursion Jan 2019 #4
Shell_Seas Jan 2019 #5
WeekiWater Jan 2019 #6
Towlie Jan 2019 #10
maxsolomon Jan 2019 #25
emulatorloo Jan 2019 #7
ADX Jan 2019 #8
Towlie Jan 2019 #13
Joe941 Jan 2019 #32
ADX Jan 2019 #42
ADX Jan 2019 #40
at140 Sep 2019 #58
marybourg Jan 2019 #9
yardwork Jan 2019 #11
rogue emissary Jan 2019 #12
stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #14
JimGinPA Jan 2019 #15
SunSeeker Jan 2019 #23
blue neen Jan 2019 #16
Towlie Jan 2019 #19
bigtree Jan 2019 #17
SunSeeker Jan 2019 #18
MontanaMama Jan 2019 #20
George II Jan 2019 #21
TruckFump Jan 2019 #22
MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #24
mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #26
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #27
yewberry Jan 2019 #28
TeamPooka Jan 2019 #29
tenderfoot Jan 2019 #30
bullwinkle428 Jan 2019 #31
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #56
karynnj Jan 2019 #33
AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #35
winstars Jan 2019 #36
oasis Jan 2019 #37
tavernier Jan 2019 #38
LovingA2andMI Jan 2019 #45
MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #41
LovingA2andMI Jan 2019 #43
still_one Jan 2019 #44
tblue37 Jan 2019 #46
Retrograde Jan 2019 #47
fishwax Jan 2019 #48
Bryan Jan 2019 #49
at140 Jan 2019 #50
guillaumeb Jan 2019 #51
Me. Jan 2019 #52
Jarqui Jan 2019 #54
fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #55
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #57

Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:22 PM

1. Personally I don't think it is an important factor.

Could she become the first woman to be elected President, yes, that is historic. I don't think race matters as much as it does to smoe of the racists in this country, including some in the media who feel the need to find divisive things to report.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:06 PM

34. More talking points.

The media just doing its job: creating controversial content.

Hey, maybe that's a new nickname for the media: C cubed.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:23 PM

2. Well it was the same with Obama. nt

 

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:24 PM

3. a Jamaican could be described as such

She's an Asian-African American.

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Response to treestar (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:21 PM

39. Oakland is as African American as you can get. Plus her father is...

Jamaican and the black folks in Jamaica are of African descent.

What's to question? Make it African/Asian American if you want.

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Response to brush (Reply #39)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:05 PM

53. African/Asian/Caribbean/ American

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:24 PM

4. "African American" is a complex concept

You probably wouldn't call an immigrant from Morocco or Egypt "African American", even though it was literally true. (For that matter, some people do not call recent immigrants from any part of Africa "African American".)

Even more counter-intuitively, many South Asian immigrants blended into the African American community over the course of three centuries, particularly Tamils, Bengalis, and Odishans.

Who is and isn't African American, and who gets to decide that, is a fraught and complicated question. But there's nothing about Harris's background that precludes that identification. It will be interesting to see the response of the broader African American community on this question.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:27 PM

5. According to the Oxford Dictionary:

Af·ri·can A·mer·i·can
[ˈafrəkən əˈmerəkən]

NOUN
African Americans (plural noun)
a black American.

ADJECTIVE
African-American (adjective)
relating to black Americans.


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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:27 PM

6. "I like her, but... "

 

That one’s on you.

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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:30 PM

10. Whatever that means...

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Response to Towlie (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:54 PM

25. It means you're quibbling.

I get the distinction, but it's one without a difference.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:30 PM

7. She was born in California, which last time I checked was in America. You sure you wanna do this?

Unrec

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:30 PM

8. If she's not African-American...

 

...then what is she?

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Response to ADX (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:33 PM

13. She describes herself as a "proud American." She just said so 10 seconds ago.

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Response to Towlie (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:05 PM

32. Nice I was going to say how about just an american. Isn't that enough?

 

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Response to Towlie (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:21 PM

40. Yeah, that's what she said TODAY...

 

...but on her website, she identifies herself as African-American:

https://kamalaharris.org/meet-kamala/

Why do you have a problem with that?

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Response to ADX (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:20 PM

58. Jamaican-Indian?

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:30 PM

9. If she considers herself African American,

then that's what she is.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:31 PM

11. Many people of Jamaican heritage are African American.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:33 PM

12. She has described herself AA and Asian African American.

How is that such a stretch, especially when she's used the term. She's also a member of Congressional Black Caucus & Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:33 PM

14. Cool Story, Bro , !

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:34 PM

15. What A Thoughtful Way To Celebrate MLK Day!






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Response to JimGinPA (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:52 PM

23. Right?

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:36 PM

16. You could, at least, spell her name right.

Yep.

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Response to blue neen (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:40 PM

19. Fixed, thanks.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:37 PM

17. why is that a problem?

...her father attributes his 'Jamaicanness' to her identity.

Donald Harris reflects in this essay on the ‘’ of his daughter Kamala.

"As a child growing up in Jamaica, I often heard it said, by my parents and family friends: “memba whe yu cum fram”. To this day, I continue to retain the deep social awareness and strong sense of identity which that grassroots Jamaican philosophy fed in me. As a father, I naturally sought to develop the same sensibility in my two daughters. Born and bred in America, Kamala was the first in line to have it planted."

read more: https://www.jamaicaglobalonline.com/kamala-harris-jamaican-heritage/

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:37 PM

18. Her dad is black, like Obama's was.

Her dad is a black man from Jamaica.

That makes her as African American as Barack Obama.

Why are you finding this concept so difficult to understand?

Here, let Peter Tosh explain it to you:



As Jamaican Peter Tosh wryly sings, "no matter where you come, as long as you're a black man, you're an African."

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:42 PM

20. Not that her ethnic hereitage is of extreme importance...

but if her father is Jamaican, it is possible that he could be a descendant of the Garifuna people. The Garifuna are of mixed ancestry, primarily of West African, Central African, Island Carib, European...the Garifuna were exiled by the British colonials after a series of slave revolts. Their history is fascinating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garifuna

I'm just throwing this out there...if Senator Harris' father is Jamaican, I think it is fair that she might refer to herself as being of African American descent.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:45 PM

21. Most blacks from Jamaica can be traced back slaves brought from Africa.

She was born in the United States, so yes, she IS an African American.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:50 PM

22. I like her a lot.

I frankly could not create less about the color of her skin. She rocks!

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:53 PM

24. Wow. Are you sure you want to leave this OP up?

SMDH.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:56 PM

26. Oh, cool!?

I also was born in Oakland almost exactly 2 years later, within, say, a day or two ... I'd bet we're born at the same hospital, in fact ... think there was only 2 doing births at that time, so ... good chance.

Got that Agent Mike?

Yeah, you already know exactly who I am, so ...

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:57 PM

27. "We are All Africans"

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:01 PM

28. Wow, this is a terrible idea.

Maybe you should spend a little time learning about the African diaspora instead of questioning Harris' self-identification.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:02 PM

29. hmm , thread trashed.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:02 PM

30. Should she have to submit to a DNA test?

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:03 PM

31. So she gets "ancestry swift-boated" like Elizabeth Warren?

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:48 PM

56. IKR!!

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:05 PM

33. Are we going to do the is s(he) black enough - as in 2008?

There are many African Americans in the Caribbean - where they were originally brought and exploited as slaves every bit as much as in the southern USA. Obama's mother was white. Kamala's mother was Tamil, which also makes her a POC.

Ethnic heritage is complex.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:08 PM

35. it's irrelevant but I think she often referes to herself as black american

which is more encompassing and, in the US, is used synonymously with african american.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:12 PM

36. I was just asking the same question... SAID NO ONE EVER!!! So glad you like her, ...but

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:18 PM

37. "I've sent investigators to Jamaica, and you wouldn't believe

what they are finding"....expect that announcement at Donald Trump's next rally.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:20 PM

38. She appears to be Caucasian with olive skin coloring

exactly like my best friend... whose father was a dead ringer for Martin Luther King Jr.

I have to admit that I can be color bind because there are are humans made up of so many shades of color... but to my shame, I have found that I am not speech deaf. I often unfairly characterize people based on their speech, accents, and even grammar. Trying to work on this.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 04:13 PM

45. P/S....

Learn a bit about the Color Rainbow of African-Americans....

Human Skin Color Variation - National Museum of History

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:34 PM

41. So why don't you tell us who she really is since clearly

Senator Harris, lawyer and former prosecutor, doesn’t have a clue who she is.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 04:01 PM

43. WTH is with the ???

Of COURSE Ksmala is!! As well as Indian-American. P/S: Jamaica as well as Haiti and many other Caribbean Islands/Territories/States are full of the descendants of African-Slaves.

So the fact this question has to be asked is frankly an insult. #FYI

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 04:07 PM

44. The same bullshit some tried to play with President Obama

She isn’t “black” enough for some?

I have to wonder if those who seem bothered by this are African American, or white

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 04:15 PM

46. And Obama's mother was white, yet he is still considered black, not "half-white,"

even though he was raised by his white grandparents.

She is as black as Obama is.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 05:20 PM

47. MSM can't deal with people who don't fit into neat boxes

They're more comfortable putting people into simple categories rather than trying to deal with real-life complexities. Harris is dark-skinned so she goes into the "African-American" box because that's the MSM box that requires the least use of brain cells for them (and it fits into a simple black/white, either/or version of the world). But Harris is from the Bay Area, which has a large Asian population, and where people tend to mingle and intermarry more than in, say, the Midwest. And there's no simple box for people with such mixed ancestry.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 05:25 PM

48. this is a serious wtf ... are you suggesting she's a liar?

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 05:36 PM

49. Policing Sen. Harris' racial identification is Trumpian bullshit

End of. OP needs to think harder before posting.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:41 PM

50. Since human origins have been traced to Africa, we are

All technically Africans! Why not get rid of all references to race altogether? Since a person of any race can accept blood from any other race, I would like to abolish all references to race.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:44 PM

51. We are all from Africa.

Many of us deny that reality and prefer a fairly tale involving "pure bloodlines".

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:45 PM

52. I Could Scream

why is this being asked, discussed, pondered, questioned?

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Response to Me. (Reply #52)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:18 PM

54. +1

Kamala Harris is a candidate. Period. (and a good/great one at that)

I do not understand why we have to slice and dice everything

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Response to Me. (Reply #52)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:28 PM

55. +1

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Response to Me. (Reply #52)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:49 PM

57. Good question.

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