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https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2019/01/trump-i-will-deliver-state-of-the-union-address-as-schedule-wherever-i-want/President Donald Trump has decided to ignore Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's withdrawal of her invitation to deliver the State of the Union address on January 29. Trump is planning to deliver the SOTU address, which is congressionally-mandated to be given to Congress, on the 29th as scheduled.
Where he will deliver the Address he has not said.
The White House is drafting two separate State of the Union Addresses, ABC News reports. One if he delivers the Address in the House before Congress, which is increasingly unlikely. The other would be more of a political rally, not in D.C., and aimed at his base.
Trump appears to be planning for a greater confrontation between himself and Speaker Pelosi.
"Republicans are encouraging Trump to force Pelosi to officially disinvite him, by suggesting the president announce he still intends to deliver the State of the Union from the House chamber," ABC News adds.
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malaise
(268,930 posts)fucking union of states. It's in the effin' Constitution. When will M$Greedia explain basic civics to its viewers?
Mr. Mueller, HOR please get on with it - I can't take much more of this shit!
ITTMF!
pbmus
(12,422 posts)To spew his ignorant false flags over 33% of his followers, the trumpettes...
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)maxrandb
(15,320 posts)Maybe the media will give you slobbering coverage for "breaking norms".
They seem to love that shit when Donnie Shit for Brains does it.
Dems need to start breaking some fucking norms, like sending the House Sargent at Arms to arrest Donnie Shit for Brains Junior for perjury.
That would be a great start, and I think the House actually has a jail cell.
LiberalFighter
(50,888 posts)FakeNoose
(32,633 posts)Let him tweet his report if he wants to.
No more free TV time for him to have another campaign rally at the country's expense.
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)bluestarone
(16,906 posts)Do it DUMBFUCK and see what happens
Squinch
(50,949 posts)markpkessinger
(8,392 posts). . . There is no requirement in law or the Constitution that the SOTU be delivered in the House chamber, nor even that it be delivered before a joint session of Congress. Nor, for that matter, is there any requirement that it be delivered as a speech at all. It is perfectly legal and constitutional to deliver the SOTU in the form of a written report to Congress, as every president prior to Woodrow Wilson did.
Personally, I think it woiuldn't be a bad idea to return to the pre-Wilson custom, since SOTU addresses have become little more than exercises in political theater anyway.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)is not sanctioned by the House and is in no way connected to the House. Therefore, it will not be the SOTU.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)unless he's willing to stand up there crying "Mea Culpa" and admitting that the state of the Union SUCKS because of him, and no other reason. Hold your ground, Nancy - do not let this cretin spend another hour spewing his lies to Congress and the nation.
If he DOES deliver it, it should be to an empty chamber with absolutely no news coverage. Let his holow words echo in a hollow Chamber.
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)Freethinker65
(10,009 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)I believe taking the high ground is one of the weapons Speaker Pelosi has wielded with great skill through her years in office. Rather than rescind, I'd like to see her welcome him, even as she holds the machete of impeachment behind her back.
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)future Republican House will now do that a Democratic precedent. We've gone past the high ground I would suggest.
in2herbs
(2,945 posts)Dems need to grow a spine. No SOTU until govt is open.
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)hunter
(38,310 posts)I think the entire nation is going the way California has.
The Republican Party is angry because they know they are dying and will do whatever they can to hurt their imagined enemies and fiercely cling to whatever power they still have, to their last breath, no matter the damage they do to this nation.
Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell are perfect representatives of their party -- cruel nasty racist old white men who already stink of death.
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)emulatorloo
(44,116 posts)When the shutdown is over and they had proper security. Or he could submit in writing
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)fully believe that it was done to make him go ballistic, which worked wonderfully. The poster in post #17 suggested taking the high ground but we're beyond that. Democrats have for too long taken the higher ground and watched the Republicans piss all over them.
emulatorloo
(44,116 posts)DFW
(54,349 posts)The fact that said Democratic president will probably NOT be holding the funding of the Federal Government hostage to a personal whim will not concern them in the slightest. If McTurtle can deny Obama's SCOTUS nominee a hearing, a Republican Speaker can (and now probably will) deny a Democratic president the SOTU.
But this is something that probably would have occurred in any case. Republicans seem hell bent on thinking up ANY slight they can inflict on ANY Democratic president. It is now in their DNA. Meanness is no longer baggage some of them carry around with them. It is now considered a necessary attribute for membership in their caucus. Ignorance isn't the only thing they're proud of.
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)taking to the higher ground, as an opportunity to do something extra, to remove norms that give them a win.
rampartc
(5,403 posts)consider their treatment of presidents clinton, obama, carter.
DFW
(54,349 posts)And all Democratic presidents are squatters.
rampartc
(5,403 posts)the concept that trump is annointed by god somewhat escapes me. carter, clinton, and even to some extent obama spoke the evangelical language, but obvious secular divorcees like reagan and trump , not so much. oh well ......
DFW
(54,349 posts)But more like, "we had Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, both Bushes and Trump, so that should be proof enough that we own the place."
They save the God Squad routine for more esoteric stuff, like "we are a Christian nation, so only we know what God wants, so only we get to determine everyone's life," etc.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)It's all in the gutter with Trump...any norms are now gone...
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)nor from the Republican party. I think it is certainly acceptable to honestly call out a fucking fuck and theat the same time graciously allowing the traditions of SOTU. If nothing else it forces Trump to be the one who flounces off of it be goes denies him a pep rally. Either way the high ground puts Trump in a loss lose situation.
My very humble opinion...
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Perhaps from a podium in Red Square.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)The perfect and most appropriate spot for him to talk to the people he represents
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)justgamma
(3,665 posts)Oh please. Don't believe for a minute that any of them is not aimed at his base. Who do they effing think they are fooling?
struggle4progress
(118,278 posts)Blue Owl
(50,349 posts)As usual, he sounds like the spoiled child, determined to get his little way.
What a freaking joke...
Vinca
(50,261 posts)louis-t
(23,292 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Dear Clinton,
Please start building enthusiasm now. Enthusiasm for your SOTU the evening of the 29th. Make sure you properly plan for the location and allocate all of your resources to get the largest crowd size. Enlist the help of other Democrats. I have a feeling you could fill a football stadium in many places.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Maxheader
(4,372 posts)Setup some card table with food...Maybe get a few poker games going..
Is music allowed?...Maybe some LZ or Hendricks..Do it right in front of the
podium stumpy would be..behind..
Dementia boy hates to be ignored and twice hates to be made a fool of..
ooky
(8,922 posts)Didn't she do that already? How many times does she need to disinvite him to make it "official"? lol.
I wish she would disinvite him whether he ends his shutdown or not. All he's going to do is tell a bunch of lies anyway. Maybe she could disinvite him again and this time tell him its because she's not going to allow him to use the House to tell lies.
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)You can't deliver it to a rally of deplorables
Nevermypresident
(781 posts)JDZ710A
(10 posts)Build a 1' wall like a toilet seat put it out of Pennsylvania Ave . and sat him on it will he is speaking some more lies.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)...and is in no sense supposed to be one of his misbegotten rallies.
In addition, Mme Speaker is correct: under the current circumstances, gathering the entire elected and appointed heads of the entire federal government in one place would present a security nightmare.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Officially, too. She sent that letter on the Speaker of the House stationery. What the hell does he think this meant?
Sadly, given the security concerns and unless government re-opens this week, I suggest that we work together to determine another suitable date after government has re-opened for this address or for you to consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on January 29th.
She was trying to be as polite as possible. Watch what happens if Trump tries to pretend he can force his way into the House floor.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)bdamomma
(63,836 posts)he is, I HATE HIM.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)That gif..cracks me up. The levels of pitiful are too many to count. The man is a cull.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)He can go fuck himself for all I care. I hope Nancy holds fast and doesn't give an inch to that bloviating orange tub of blubber.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)The SOTU is a speech to congress and cannot be given at a rally https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-political-rally-second-state-of-the-union
Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution states that the President shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.
Following the first State of the Union addresses delivered in-person to Congress by George Washington and John Adams, presidents delivered these updates in written form for more than 100 years, until 1913 when Woodrow Wilson revived the practice of delivering them in-person.
But the addresses have never been and seemingly cannot be, constitutionally delivered in the form of a political rally.
dalton99a
(81,451 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,278 posts)of the Speaker. Senators can come into the House and visa versa, but no one else unless they are invited. If Trump and his entourage try to barge into the House, the Sergeant-at-Arms will refuse him entry.
ecstatic
(32,685 posts)to adequately cover that level of drama.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,582 posts)If Trump forces his way into the House (which apparently he has the right to) she can turn off CSPAN and the television lighting, as well as the microphone and teleprompter (which I assume belong to the House) and let Donnie have it. She can also prohibit Republicans from using their cellphones to record the speech.
She can tell the Cabinet, Defense Chiefs and SCOTUS justices to stay away as their presence is not required by the Constitution.
She can restrict the press to one one pool reporter who can take notes but not video.
In general, she can let Donnie give his speech, but take away his ability to spew his bullshit outside the chamber.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)Welcome him with open arms but no cameras. Don't tell him in advance. Then sit back and enjoy the entertainment of Donnie having a hissy.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)He would be stopped at the door and told to leave.
Can any Rep or Senator force themselves into the Oval Office whenever they want? Dont think so.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)I am impressed.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)ecstatic
(32,685 posts)He knows the SS are not getting paid, and everyone hates him.
riversedge
(70,187 posts)orangecrush
(19,537 posts)If he does force his way in, it will in itself be a constitutional crisis, and a huge step toward doing his job for putin, mocking our institutions, polarizing and destabilizing.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,783 posts)I apologize for the snark, but that is what this is sounding like....A gathering of the MAGAts in their red hats of hate.
If Trump thinks this is going to get him high ratings, he is sadly mistaken.
rampartc
(5,403 posts)WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)the senate is the "congress" too. Constitutionally he can give it in written form only. According to the Constitution he can also WAIT since it the wording is "from time to time'.
While we tend to think not it as traditional for the president to give his State of The Union report in the spoken form in the House Of Representatives with a written form given in advance it's not always been done this way and doesn't have to be.
Oh, and I've not found anything that says the president's report is "congressionally mandated" to be given on the 29th. What I did find however is although an invitation was issued, neither the Senate nor the House has passed the necessary resolution yet. Perhaps this is what the writer is thinking of but there's no '"mandate" yet.
WaPo has a very informative article on the history of the State of the Union. If needed I suggest using 'private browsing' to view the rest of it but below are what I consider the major points pertaining to this...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress/q-and-a-does-trump-have-to-give-state-of-union-speech-no/2019/01/16/c7fafabe-19b6-11e9-b8e6-567190c2fd08_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f5b278100a02
Does Trump have to give a State of the Union speech? No.
WASHINGTON The U.S. Constitution mandates in Article II, Section 3 that presidents shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.
But the Constitution offers no specifics on how that should be done. Indeed, the modern State of the Union address the pageantry, the televised address and the agenda-setting message is a far more recent phenomenon. And the practice of delivering an in-person address before a joint session of Congress has not always been the norm.
Heres a look at the history of the State of the Union address as the White House weighs its response to House Speaker Nancy Pelosis suggestion that President Donald Trump delay this years address or give it in writing because of the partial government shutdown:
-snip-
Q: Does it have to be a speech?
A: No. For Thomas Jeffersons first address on Dec. 8, 1801, he sent written copies to both houses of Congress to be read by each chambers clerks. Jefferson wanted to simplify what he believed was an aristocratic imitation of the British monarchs speech from the throne, which he thought ill-suited for a republic.
The practice of sending written copies to Congress continued for more than a century, when Woodrow Wilson resumed the tradition of delivering the annual message in person on April 8, 1913. Hes also credited with transforming the speech from a report on executive branch activity into a blueprint for the presidents legislative agenda for the year.
-snip-
Q: Has the speech ever been postponed?
A: Yes, there have been several instances though all appear to have been initiated by the White House, historians say.
Ronald Reagans 1986 address, for instance, was postponed after the Challenger space shuttle exploded in flight on Jan. 28 of that year. And in 1944, Franklin D. Roosevelt was scheduled to deliver his address on Jan. 11 but instead transmitted a written message because of his poor health.
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Q: What about during a shutdown?
A: The State of the Union address has yet to coincide with a full or partial government shutdown since the beginning of the modern budget process in the late 1970s.
The closest the country has come? Trumps 2018 State of the Union, which was delivered on Jan. 30 the week after a two-day shutdown that ended Jan. 22. In 1996, Bill Clinton delivered his State of the Union several weeks after the end of a 21-day shutdown that had previously been the countrys longest, offering to all of you in this chamber: Never, ever shut the federal government down again.
-snip-
Q: Cant Trump just show up?
A: Nope.
Anytime a president comes to speak, it must be at the request of Congress, said Donald Ritchie, the former historian of the Senate. Its a very inflexible arrangement, he said.
A resolution agreed to by both chambers specifies a date and time for a joint session of the House and the Senate for receiving such communication as the president of the United States shall be pleased to make to them. [*There hasn't been one passed yet.]
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Q: Is there a State of the Union speech every year?
A: No. Recent presidents Reagan in 1981, George H.W. Bush in 1989, Clinton in 1993, George W. Bush in 2001, Barack Obama in 2009 and Trump in 2017 have chosen not to deliver official State of the Union addresses during their first years in office. Those speeches would have come soon after their inaugural addresses. However, many, including Trump, have delivered major speeches in front of Congress that have had the feel of the State of the Union without the title.
Its up to the president, said Ritchie, whether or not he wants to come at all.
-snip-
Q: Could Trump choose an alternative?
A: Theres no reason why not. Trump could deliver a speech from the Oval Office or organize an alternative event on Jan. 29 the date Pelosi had originally invited Trump to deliver his address before a joint session of Congress. The White House also could choose to delay the speech, as Pelosi has suggested. It was unclear how the White House planned to respond.
But Ritchie said it would be to the presidents advantage to find a way to deliver the address.
You dont want to waste a dramatic moment, he said.
...And goodness knows 'Don the Con' Trump loves a "dramatic moment".
In It to Win It
(8,236 posts)Are there any consequences?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)in, you can't give it at NANCY'S house either ...
marlakay
(11,451 posts)He does to get attention. I am sick of it and media that goes along with it.
If they refused to talk about him or show him for a week, he would cave not be able to handle being left in the dark.
Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)that we are just going along with it.