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I want to know why it isn't called TREASON??? (Original Post) a kennedy Jan 2019 OP
Traitor might fit! BlueJac Jan 2019 #1
Treason only officially applies if sagesnow Jan 2019 #2
Pedantry. No. Rosenbergs committed treason; so did Stone. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #7
'the crime of betraying one's country, elleng Jan 2019 #3
Conspiracy to defraud the United States of America. Grasswire2 Jan 2019 #4
Hillary was speaking during her book tour and she said BigmanPigman Jan 2019 #5
It IS called treason. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #6
Thank you.. a kennedy Jan 2019 #8
you can call it whatever you want Grasswire2 Jan 2019 #9
So the federal judge sentencing Rosenbergs used "treason" sharedvalues Jan 2019 #10
they were convicted of Espionage. Grasswire2 Jan 2019 #11
Judge called it treason. Everyone calls it treason. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #13
There is nothing to be gained by charging treason. TomSlick Jan 2019 #12
Traitors are guilty of treason. They should wear the label regardless oasis Jan 2019 #14

elleng

(130,895 posts)
3. 'the crime of betraying one's country,
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 08:43 PM
Jan 2019

especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.'

Grasswire2

(13,569 posts)
4. Conspiracy to defraud the United States of America.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 08:46 PM
Jan 2019

That will fit some, after the conspiracy is submitted as evidence.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
5. Hillary was speaking during her book tour and she said
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 08:52 PM
Jan 2019

that what Putin did was cyber warfare so that means this is an act of war, right? That seems to fit the definition since we all agree that Russia is an enemy of the US.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
6. It IS called treason. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 09:00 PM
Jan 2019

Don’t let the pedantry scolds tell you it’s not treason.

The JUDGE who sentenced Ethel and Julius Rosenberg called them traitors even though they were found guilty of espionage, not treason. Likewise, this act of betraying the US should be called treason even if it doesn’t fit the exact crime definition of treason.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
10. So the federal judge sentencing Rosenbergs used "treason"
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 09:58 PM
Jan 2019

and that’s not good enough for you? Still more legal pedantry is required?

I consider your crime worse than murder ... I believe your conduct in putting into the hands of the Russians the A-Bomb years before our best scientists predicted Russia would perfect the bomb has already caused, in my opinion, the Communist aggression in Korea, with the resultant casualties exceeding 50,000 and who knows but that millions more of innocent people may pay the price of your treason. Indeed, by your betrayal you undoubtedly have altered the course of history to the disadvantage of our country.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg

Grasswire2

(13,569 posts)
11. they were convicted of Espionage.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 10:11 PM
Jan 2019

under Section 2 of the Espionage Act of 1917, 50 U.S. Code 32 (now 18 U.S. Code 794), which prohibits transmitting or attempting to transmit to a foreign government information "relating to the national defense".

You can call their acts whatever you want. So can the judge.

They were convicted of Espionage.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
13. Judge called it treason. Everyone calls it treason.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:26 AM
Jan 2019

That’s the point.
Selling out your country is regularly called treason—even if the specific crime is espionage, or conspiracy against the United States.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
12. There is nothing to be gained by charging treason.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 10:40 PM
Jan 2019

I could make the argument that Russia' cyber-attack was an act of war and that providing "aid and comfort" to Russia in that attack amounts to treason. The problem is that the law is not clear and the same result can be obtained by charging conspiracy against the US.

I was taught by a judge years ago not to plead what I don't have to prove.

oasis

(49,383 posts)
14. Traitors are guilty of treason. They should wear the label regardless
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:49 AM
Jan 2019

of the government's ability to effectively prosecute their sorry asses.

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