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applegrove

(118,758 posts)
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:53 PM Jan 2019

Mueller's Real Target In the Stone Indictment

Mueller’s Real Target In the Stone Indictment

https://politicalwire.com/2019/01/27/muellers-real-target-in-the-stone-indictment/

January 27, 2019 at 8:31 am EST By Taegan Goddard 490 Comments

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Julian Sanchez: “For many, Friday’s arrest of Roger Stone, the veteran political trickster and longtime adviser to Donald Trump, was a sign that the special counsel investigation into Russian electoral interference is entering its final phase. Yet there were also several indications that the probe may not be as near its conclusion as many observers assume — and that the true target of Friday’s F.B.I. actions was not Mr. Stone himself, but his electronic devices.”

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Mueller's Real Target In the Stone Indictment (Original Post) applegrove Jan 2019 OP
The cover-up is.... FarPoint Jan 2019 #1
Recommended. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #2
"The F.B.I., in other words, was executing search warrants, not just arrest warrants" dalton99a Jan 2019 #3
He can continue his investigations into Russia, the NRA, banks, etc BigmanPigman Jan 2019 #4
Well, d'uh... Wounded Bear Jan 2019 #5
Where is McGee and Abb's?? mitch96 Jan 2019 #6

FarPoint

(12,428 posts)
1. The cover-up is....
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:01 PM
Jan 2019

This election was flipped for Trump by the Russians....hacking of voter machines I sense/ key Electoral College states......this election/ Presidency is actually a fraud....This is the real endgame issue...and trump knew...and thus knows...as do many GOP Congressional key leadership....

Mueller must go carefully, with a clean clear method to encompass the entire fraud ....this is what the true cover-up is about....in my intuitive sense of the situation.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. Recommended.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:02 PM
Jan 2019

Mueller is building a wall around Trump, and at a certain point, I hope the wall surrounds Trump.

dalton99a

(81,566 posts)
3. "The F.B.I., in other words, was executing search warrants, not just arrest warrants"
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:04 PM
Jan 2019
Of course, as the indictment also makes clear, the special counsel has already managed to get its hands on plenty of Mr. Stone’s communications by other means — but one seeming exception jumps out. In a text exchange between Mr. Stone and a “supporter involved with the Trump Campaign,” Mr. Mueller pointedly quotes Mr. Stone’s request to “talk on a secure line — got WhatsApp?” There the direct quotes abruptly end, and the indictment instead paraphrases what Mr. Stone “subsequently told the supporter.” Though it’s not directly relevant to his alleged false statements, the special counsel is taking pains to establish that Mr. Stone made a habit of moving sensitive conversations to encrypted messaging platforms like WhatsApp — meaning that, unlike ordinary emails, the messages could not be obtained directly from the service provider.

The clear implication is that any truly incriminating communications would have been conducted in encrypted form — and thus could be obtained only directly from Mr. Stone’s own phones and laptops. And while Mr. Stone likely has limited value as a cooperating witness — it’s hard to put someone on the stand after charging them with lying to obstruct justice — the charges against him provide leverage in the event his cooperation is needed to unlock those devices by supplying a cryptographic passphrase.

Of course, Mr. Mueller is likely interested in his communications with Trump campaign officials, but the detailed charges filed against the Russian hackers alleged to have broken into the Democratic National Committee’s servers also show the special counsel’s keen interest in Mr. Stone’s communications with the hacker “Guccifer 2.0,” an identity said to have been used as a front for the Russian intruders. By Mr. Stone’s own admission, he had a brief exchange with “Guccifer” via private Twitter messages. On Mr. Stone’s account, Guccifer enthusiastically offered his assistance — at the same time we now know Mr. Stone was vigorously pursuing advance knowledge of what other embarrassing material stolen from Mr. Trump’s opponents might soon be released — and Mr. Stone failed to even dignify the offer with a reply. With no easy way of getting hold of “Guccifer’s” cellphone, searching Mr. Stone’s devices might be the only reliable way for the special counsel to discover whether the conversation in fact continued on a more “secure line.”

Yet if Mr. Mueller is indeed less interested in Mr. Stone than the potential evidence on his phones and computers, the conventional wisdom that the special counsel probe is wrapping up — and could issue a final report as soon as next month — seems awfully implausible. Digital forensics takes time, and a single device could easily hold many thousands of messages to sift through. And if this really is the first time Mr. Mueller’s office is seeing the most sensitive communications from a key figure like Mr. Stone, it’s likely they’ll come away with new leads to follow and new questions to pose to other witnesses.

BigmanPigman

(51,623 posts)
4. He can continue his investigations into Russia, the NRA, banks, etc
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:56 PM
Jan 2019

even if the fucking moron is indicted and impeached. Mueller could continue for a while even if we have gotten the crooks out of the W House. This goes into other countries and their leaders. What about the Saudis and other dictators who are in bed with the GOP? Their crimes are enormous and go back years and years.

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