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Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:00 PM

 

Here we FUCKING go again. "Pussy Grabber" and Kavanaugh in ultimate power, and we hang our guy who

wore a stupid costume 35 years ago. So fucking typical. What a travesty! Yes, it was a very DUMB and WRONG thing to do. But it was 35 frigging years ago.

Northam has apologized. Northam is a good man, a good doctor, a good veteran, and NOT a racist. And ENOUGH of these rushes to make him resign for something SO long ago. This one dumb thing 35 LONG years ago does not define the man today nor his entire life.

Tell me who hasn't said or done something dumb in their past. Who?????

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Reply Here we FUCKING go again. "Pussy Grabber" and Kavanaugh in ultimate power, and we hang our guy who (Original post)
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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:03 PM

1. Thanks!

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:05 PM

2. What I don't understand is how it made it into the yearbook

I mean, it was offensive 35 years ago too.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:07 PM

4. Yes, but 35 years ago it was seen as silly costuming and over the top goofiness. Those were

 

different times considering the context.

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:10 PM

6. Wearing a Klansman hood was acceptable in 1984?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:13 PM

13. It looks like it was over the top goofiness and stupid costuming. WRONG and DUMB. But LONG ago. He

 

is NOT a racist and this dumb foolishness from 35 years ago should not define him now nor his whole life. That is CRAZY to do to someone. My god. Who is perfect? Who hasn't made a dumb mistake? How about you?

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:18 PM

19. I am not a public official and my actions can't embarrass an entire state and party.

And no, I never wore a Klansman's outfit.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:20 PM

23. Yeah like..huh???

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:31 PM

32. We were wrong about that, THIS IS 1984. n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #32)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:51 PM

53. Feels more like 1948

And America feels like room 101.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #53)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:53 PM

56. I was just learning to walk in 1948. Don't remember much about it.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #56)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:54 PM

58. I thought you were referring to the novel.

Oops

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #58)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:06 PM

99. I was, then you brought up 1948. It's probably a good thing

we can't travel in time, we'd be terribly confused.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #99)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:10 AM

122. I can travel in time!

Well, forward anyway.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:31 PM

33. Am I being callous by saying this was OK with white folk in 85?! Hell, its ok with 33% of them now !

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:41 PM

43. That's why there is a Republican party.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:47 PM

48. true, very true

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:48 PM

49. In 1984.

Men beat their SOs and nothing was done to them, it was virtually impossible for a woman to get a restraining order.

Men standing in a group could openly and loudly use the B world to describe ANY woman.

Men could get away with "accidentally" touching a female coworker. I knew some that had lovers on the company payroll and even supervised them.

Times change. None of the stuff that I write about above would be tolerated today. It was certainly wrong even in 1984, but it was done. I was never a sexist, I always judged women on what they accomplished and was ok with female bosses, but my views on females and how I interact with them have certainly changed since 1984. I am more interested in what Northam did during his long time in politics. Heis not the same as Kavanaugh, those men have it changed at all.

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:12 PM

8. I'm old enough to remember 1984

And it was considered racist back then too.

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:13 PM

12. I grew up in the exurban south

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I grew up in exurban Florida where the suburbs touch the rural areas and it wasn't acceptable when I was a kid in the seventies.

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:55 PM

59. Totally! It wasn't that long ago and it was considered extremely racist.

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:21 PM

105. Yes it was! I remember all the Miami riots down here protesting injustice and racism during the 80's

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:16 PM

16. I doubt very many black people saw it as silly or goofy

They just didn’t feel safe talking about how it made them feel, because it would be turned against them.

Don’t excuse racism with “it was a different time” nonsense. It was racist and insensitive to black people, then and now. I was in college then, and if I knew someone who pulled that crap, I would never have spoken to him again.

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Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:20 PM

21. Silly and goofy is dressing as a penis and having two friends dress as balls.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:48 PM

50. Okay, this is a very serious issue, but you made me laugh out loud.

It is true. There are all manner of "silly and goofy" over the top things you can dress as, a Klansman, a Nazi soldier, or Blackface are not "silly" at all. They are meant to send a message to minorities.

I am not saying that Northam is an active racist and I am not saying he should resign. I actually think that it is up to the Black constituents in his state to decide what is appropriate. If they can move past it then let it go, if they think that his really really stupid choice (even 30 whatever years ago) makes it impossible for them to feel represented by him now, then he should step aside.

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:34 PM

36. No, just no

KKK robes and blackface were racist in 1984. A person intelligent enough to be in med school knew that.

Why the school and yearbook editors thought including that photo was OK should be another discussion, but

Northam was a grown man who wore that costume. He doesn't get a pass just because the racist Republican party gives their people a pass for their past behavior.

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Response to mcar (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:46 AM

135. THIS! How is this even a discussion?? Just NO!

Show me lots of anti-discrimination work he has done in the intervening years, and I might rethink wanting him gone. But for God's sake DON'T try to tell me this was ok because it was 1984.

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:52 PM

54. bs. jessie jackson won a presidential primary. in Virginia. in 1984

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:38 PM

81. I was in college in Massachusetts in '84 and there's no way that would have been allowed

I guess the south took longer to come around - they still had confederate state flags & statues.

Also, it's kind of weird that none of Northam's political opponents discovered this until now.

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:46 AM

138. I am almost certainly the whitest man alive.

 

I’m the very definition of Generic Caucasian Man, and even I cannot FATHOM describing dressing as a Klansman or in blackface as “over the top goofiness.”

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:05 PM

3. They know that we will always

get rid of anyone.

They found a formula that works, because Democrats will always eat their own.

Apparently, I'm one of only a few around here who wasn't born perfect.

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Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:15 PM

14. Condemning dressing up as Klansmen and black face is "political correctness on steroids"

Am I at the right site?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:19 PM

20. No, that is NOT what I am saying. Rushing to calling for a someone to resign over a mistake from 35

 

frigging years ago is the political correctness on steroids. And it IS. Northam is not a racist, this was LONG ago, and to condemn someone for something like this from SO damn long ago is WRONG. Just plain wrong.

EVERYONE has made a dumb mistake. He was MUCH younger, it was a costume, it was VERY DUMB and WRONG, it was LONG ago, and it should not define his whole life. My goodness!

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:37 PM

38. He was 24!

Black children are treated as thugs and murdered for next to nothing but 24 YO white men get a pass because of youthful exuberance? Come on, LBM20, we are better than this.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:50 PM

92. Democratsincebirth:

You are right. It was racist and he may need to step aside; that will be his decision.
We need to remember what makes our party different from their party, because that difference is why we are (currently) winning the battle for the soul of America.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:11 PM

7. I never dressed in any racist costume.

 

Come on.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:15 PM

15. And I never judged a person's entire life on one dumb thing from 35 years ago. Did you ever make a

 

mistake? Should it define your entire life? Get real.

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:16 PM

18. Tipperary isn't a governor and his actions don't reflect on an entire party.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:20 PM

22. And the act was 35 damn years ago. It doesn't reflect the man's entire life. My god.

 

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:54 PM

94. My Feelings Exactly!

Sheesh! When will we learn not to devour our own over stupid, dumb mistakes in the past that no not define the actions of the present??

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Response to Desert grandma (Reply #94)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:40 PM

108. +1

I found his apology to be heartfelt and sincere. People can and do change. His disgust after Charlottesville was palpable. And, I trust President Obama's judgement. Northam was one of the few people he came out and campaigned for, and I very highly doubt Obama would do that for a racist douchebag.




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Response to LBM20 (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:32 AM

137. But today every thing you did, no matter how far back, is being brought out to use against you.

I've said this before, wait till people are rung for office in 2030ish. THOSE people will be people who's entire LIVES have been on social media. EVERY "crazy" picture from every party at every age will be "findable". Anti will get more crazy than it is now.
And I'm not sure the best person for ANY job is the person who starts cultivating a "perfect" presence from age 10. Thats just creepy.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:12 PM

9. his yearbook also has a quote about beer

not an issue at all but it made me think about Kavanaugh.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:12 PM

10. I thought the same thing.

It was monumentally stupid but I'd look more at recent history of the guy.

Trump brags about grabbing women by the pussy and the GOP considers him a good Xtian.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:16 PM

17. Because Republicans suck. We are the good guys.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:21 PM

24. Good guys don't condemn people forever for a dumb thing done 35 VERY LONG years ago.

 

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:24 PM

25. Good guys had no problem

Good guys had no problem condemning Brett Kavanaugh and Roy Moore for things they did "35 VERY LONG years ago."



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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:25 PM

26. Last I checked Brett Kavanaugh was on the Supreme Court.

No?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:26 PM

27. Without any Democratic votes but Manchin.

I don't look to Republicans for moral instruction because they don't have any.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:20 PM

104. This!

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:28 PM

28. Those were criminal acts and they obviously lied about them. There were physical assaults.

 

There were direct victims of crimes. Very different situations.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:28 PM

30. Kavanaugh lied, and roy moore was currently a bigot. that happened NOW

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Response to JI7 (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:37 PM

39. I stand with the NAACP, April Ryan, Kamala Harris, Bakari Sellers...

I am not going to defend blackface and donning Klansman outfits out of some misguided sense of tribal loyalty. As a Jewish person if Northam dressed like a guard at Auschwitz and his pal dressed as a concentration camp prisoner I would be apoplectic. The Klan was created to terrorize the freedman . I suspect African American feel about the Klan how Jews feel about the NAZIS. He was 25 years old, not a kid.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #39)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:43 PM

46. im not defending what he did. im saying there is still a difference and that Kavanaugh lied.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #39)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:52 PM

55. Sigh, this is true ... I'm thinking there are second chances for people who in word and deed have ..

... turned their hearts around against that type of crap.

Maybe the VA gov should've came out with this long ago and publicly apologized vs someone else outting him

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #55)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 07:42 AM

131. I think it would be better if he had come out with this long ago.

Instead, in a state where racial issues still cause significant tension, he has lost his moral standing.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:38 PM

40. Yep

but somehow we're expected to say Democrats get a pass? Hard no.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:41 PM

45. Assault is different from a drunk unfunny racist costume

Is it not?

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #45)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:48 PM

51. It depends whose ox is being gored.

The Klan was created to terrorize the freedman and woman and prevent him and her from exercising their franchise, up to castration and lynching for trying.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:03 PM

61. No, you are missing the point. Participation in those acts

Is different from dressing up as a participant at a party. Both are offensive or worse, but one is a crime.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:49 PM

52. But ... BK lied about what he did 3.5 months ago. If BK would've AT LEAST done a GWB and said

... when I was young and stupid I was young and stupid then there wouldn't have been ...AS.. big of a backlash imho

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:40 PM

109. When they go low, We go stupid. n/t

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:12 PM

11. Agree.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:28 PM

29. More gopeee ...divide and conquer... when will we learn

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:35 PM

77. The GOP didn't do anything!

Northam did it to himself. Blame him and him alone.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:31 PM

31. Dude, he was 25. LOL. He has to go. Yesterday.

 

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:33 PM

34. Could not agree with the OP more. Let"s not focus on the man who wants to remove 11 million people

from america, to separate children from parents, remove dreamers, ban all Muslims from entering this country, and brand Mexicans as murderers and rapists. This is how we lose elections. This is how we let the real bigots win elections. For God"s sake, it is time we spent as much effort on fighting against the biggest threat we face, six more years of this fucking nightmare.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:33 PM

35. Did you call for Trump to drop out and Kavanaugh withdraw?

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:34 PM

37. Jury

I think the jury is still out on the pussy grabber and Kavanaugh. They’ll get theirs.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:39 PM

42. Unlikely. Kavanaugh definitely won't.

 

He will never face consequences. He's on the Court for life and he's not getting removed.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:38 PM

41. Yup, Democrats are eating their own while Republicans gain more power.

 

Sometimes trying to be too pure just backfires. You can take the moral high road without burning everyone at the stake.

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:42 PM

87. How do the Republicans gain more power if Northam resigns and is replaced w/ Lt. Gov Fairfax-D?

....And who happens to also be an African American?

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #87)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:07 PM

100. I'm referring to them gaining power in other areas, because they don't have

 

purity tests. White House, Supreme Court, Senate.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:41 PM

44. If he were a Republican would we insist that he resign?

That should be the test: Should this be considered so impermissibly racist that the person who did it should resign irrespective of their party? If you don't think he should resign, would you think the same thing if he were a GOPer?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:44 PM

47. republicans support lynching today and got elected in mississippo

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Response to JI7 (Reply #47)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:32 PM

74. Actually, it's Mississhity.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:53 PM

57. In the last year, how many Democratic lawmakers have demanded that Trump resign?

Let"s have a level playing field and apply equal standards.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:07 PM

64. If he was a Republcian I would assume he still was racist.

I don't make the same automatic assumption with a Democrat. I grew up in the Southeast and still shake my heads at the stuff I saw and heard as a child.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:51 PM

93. that's how I have to look at it

Even if it does suck when they're one of ours.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:02 PM

60. Exactly

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:05 PM

63. Just watched a discussion on Chris Hayes about this topic.

I went in thinking exactly the same thing you stated but, after listening to the panel, came around to the other side and agree that it is totally disqualifying. The KKK is a terrorist organization and black face is so offensive on so many levels. Anyone who wants to server the public needs to meet a higher standard. Since the Republicans are showing how we should not behave, we need to show how we should behave. Thirty-two years ago in 1984, I would have been disgusted and appalled by the kind of behavior displayed by Ralph Northam back then. I am still disgusted by it. He should resign and let Lieutenant Governor Justin Fairfax take over. If we can't hold any of the Republicans to the higher standards we expect, we should at least hold those in our party responsible for actions such as this that are disqualifying.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:09 PM

65. Who here among us hasn't dressed up as a Klan member?

Next thing you tell me is that you don't have an Nazi SS officer uniform that you wear around as a goof.

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Response to inwiththenew (Reply #65)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:03 PM

97. THANK YOU!

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:10 PM

66. Just like so many in politics and the limelight

Never forget that Northam was truly hoping that this would go unnoticed. Had he any real integrity, he would have brought it up during his campaign, apologized, and used it as an example of growing older with some grace. But, he chose not to. Too many of these people cry sorry and mea culpa only after they get caught. If you've got skeletons in your closet, best bring them out and dance with them in front of the world. And yes folks, that crap was totally racist in the 1980's with many blessings from the Reaganites and the media.

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Response to shadowmayor (Reply #66)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:44 PM

88. That's a very good point. nt

And I supported Doc Northam.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:12 PM

67. Oh ffs!

This isn’t harmless if tasteless fun. This is racist af and was at the time. Also, if steps down, we still end up with a Dem Gov there- an African American one at that. We should not accept this in our leaders.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #67)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:33 PM

75. If you consider that Fairfax would move into the governor's job

relevant, I think you also have to consider relevant the fact that the Republican legislature would select his replacement. Then, if something were to happen to Fairfax, VA would have a Republican governor again.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #75)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:11 AM

117. I think the chance of something "happening" to the 39 year old in the next three years,

that would require his replacementby whoever is appointed by the legislature, is tiny.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #117)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 06:29 AM

124. That wasn't what I meant. The Republicans are probably already

Turning rocks over looking for dirt on Fairfax.

The point is that some people may feel this is strictly a matter of principle and that Northam should step down regardless of the power it may give to Republicans and regardless of all of the good work he has done in 35 years (eg expanding Medicaid). I get that. But if others would feel differently if a Republican were in line for the governorship, they should also be worried about how easily Republicans could move Fairfax out of the way too. They may be thinking that Fairfax would appoint the lieutenant governor or that there would be a special election. That’s not how it works in VA.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #124)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 07:31 AM

130. Fairfax is a former federal prosecutor, an asst. US attorney. He's already had checks

for federal security clearances. They can flip over all the rocks they want. The worst they'll find is he was a defense lawyer for somebody who turned out to be guilty.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #130)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:16 AM

141. I hope you're right, but history is filled with cases

In which surprises have been found.

I guess we will see what happens.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:14 PM

68. I do not like what the governor did

35 years ago. I do not like many
Things I did back into my life as well.
So he apologized and we should judge him
on what he will do now and in the future .
However what really kills me is that
what Trump is doing every day is
crossing every limit, total insanity.
One has to be equally brainless to think
he is doing a reasonable job.
He is a racist disgusting liar and a con man
Without any guiding principles
We should all be screaming with one voice
Impeach the MF.

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Response to Chickensoup (Reply #68)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:38 PM

80. Was he maybe dressed as a "Blazing Saddles" character?

I remember there was a movie (some time in the seventies, I think) about a town in the Old West where a heroic Black man dressed up in a Ku Klux Klan outfit to infiltrate a Ku Klux Klan rally. Did the 24 year old Northam perhaps just think he was heaping scorn on the KKK by dressing as this character, or as another character, in that movie? I don't think it was funny, and I would never have done it. I grew up as one of a minority of non-Jews in a mostly Jewish neighborhood where some of our Jewish friends had lost relatives in those death camps, and the similarity between the KKK and Nazis was very real to most of us. Besides, my mother had a book that detailed how American KKK and Nazis had helped to finance the rise to power of the German Nazis. I am remembering that Prince Harry of England went to a costume ball dressed as a Nazi, when he was very young. And he said he had meant to make fun of the Nazis, and that he hated Nazis, and he just hadn't realized how it would feel to people who had been victimized by them. And he does seem to have been telling the truth, based on both prior and subsequent behavior. So my question would be, what was Northam doing and saying otherwise at that time? And what has he done and said since then? But yes, Northam really should have brought this to light, much sooner, with apologies and works of penitence.

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Response to raging moderate (Reply #80)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:53 PM

111. Ummm...no

You can spray all the perfume you want on a turd but it's still a turd. It was racist BS and there are no excuses or explanations that can dismiss it. I wonder how many of his black patients suffered as a result of neglect in the months and years after that photo was taken. And to think, he became a PEDIATRICIAN! Lord help us.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:19 PM

69. Tell me who hasn't said or done something dumb their past. Who?????

ME

! Well except for late November last year, then Dec 22, then again Jan 12 and finally Jan 26.


It has cost me BIG TIME !!!

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:20 PM

70. Gov Northam will have to resign.

As an African American and a Virginia Resident, I and my family "was" proud voters for Northam. The African American vote, especially with black women, brought Northam that win.

Doesn't matter if it was 35 years ago. Doesn't matter if he is of good character now. He's a good governor and I'm quite sure Northam is a good man, a good doctor, a good veteran, and NOT a racist.

But that image is there and we all see it. But you also can't dismiss the images of African Americans during Slavery, Reconstruction, and Jim Crow. Watch the 60 Minutes segment on Lynching and The National Memorial for Peace and Justice. Look at the images of unarmed young men being killed.

Should I tell my two adult black children to dismiss the images of their heritage? So, why should I or any DU member here should easily dismiss images of Northam in either of the two individuals.

I can't take back my vote but Northam can do the right thing and resign.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:23 PM

71. We're NOT republicans

 

So no matter what god awful things they do it does not mean we give ourselves a pass. It may have happened 35 years ago but if he does not resign and democrats do not force him out... It sends a dark message to African American folks in our nation.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:25 PM

72. We cannot eat our own.

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #72)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:39 PM

82. So what you mean to say is,

You have zero standards for your elected officials, as long as there's a (D)?

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Response to fountainofyouth (Reply #82)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:04 PM

98. Franken was set up, offered an apology an ethics investigation and one of our most effective

advocates is now gone, forced out by Dems. There is no excuse for Va. Governor’s past actions, but he has taken responsibility and apologized. So by these 2 standards he should not be forced to resign. There is no perfect candidate, we are all imperfect, there should forgiveness to those who recognize and admit their faults. Not in all cases but in this case we should stand beside him.

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #98)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 07:51 AM

132. Human frailties,.. no one is perfectly perfect,..

... the hope is we learn from our mistakes not habitually perpetrate them.

In that same regard,.. the bluest of blue bloods fucks up too,...

(Begin snip)

Prince Harry has come a long way since his bad boy days to emerge as arguably Britain’s most loved royal.

By Jim Mitchell
28 AUG 2017 - 2:32 PM UPDATED 28 AUG 2017 - 2:42 PM

It wasn’t that long ago that Prince Harry (aka His Royal Highness Prince Henry of Wales) was deemed a write-off. After losing his mother, Diana, Princess of Wales, at just 12 years old in 1997, a cheeky, relatively buoyant childhood in the public eye became laden with burden. At 17, Harry’s party boy ways became evident, the beginning of a decade or so of scandalous behaviour that would bring the monarchy into disrepute.

But much has changed since then. Harry, at 32, along with big brother Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, has become an unlikely saviour of the royal family, following in the footsteps of his ancestors (see SBS documentary The Royals Who Rescued the Monarchy) and dedicating his life to social activism just like his mother. He’s arguably now the most approachable royal since Diana.

Here we chart how he went from disgraced party prince to beloved, upstanding royal.

(End snip)

Much more detail at link,..

https://www.sbs.com.au/guide/node/10197

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Response to fountainofyouth (Reply #82)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 07:21 AM

128. Our standards are way too high. Nice 376th post.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #128)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:44 AM

142. Nice 4,033rd post! n/t

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:31 PM

73. Has anyone evolved in terms of their beliefs and/or ideology? We're never going to make it as a

 

Democracy or as a country if we can't forgive our past mistakes. Robert Byrd comes to mind. He turned out to be quite a leader in the Democratic Party, but once a member of the KKK. Allowing people to atone is a more civil thing to do then to completely pull the rug out from under them. We learn best when we make mistakes.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:34 PM

76. O.K., *THIS* o.p. convinced me.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:35 PM

78. so Kavanot

gets on the Supreme court, and this Governor Northam has to resign?? Also was this a set up?

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #78)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:39 PM

85. No it was him. He admitted it.

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Response to underpants (Reply #85)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:47 PM

90. Sad

It just shows you that any little thing will come back to bite you. But Repigs just claw. fight and deny.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #90)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:56 PM

95. Yes it is sad. By all accounts he's really actually nice man

but ...whew. That was too much.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:36 PM

79. Wrong. It's 2019. All should be crucified for any sins no matter how long ago.

 

We need more people spending 24/7 sifting through old tweets and yearbooks.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:39 PM

83. The left is stupid.

The GOP stands behind Nazi's and the left cannot forgive a sin from two generations back from a person who is
now on the good side.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:39 PM

84. That alone isn't enough...but there is a way.

He can call a press conference and talk honestly and vulnerably. Lead by example. Speak about his shame. How long ago it was that he learned about how insane that behavior was. How it's understandable that people of all types need to disassociate from acts like that. How he's one of them, but cant ever undo that moment. And how he is a better man because he learned years ago how his upbringing was failure. And how he is happy to be the poster child of what never to let happen again.

Worst case scenario is you say all of those things while the world watches, and you still resign, but you leave a lasting legacy about how to handle these moments with honor and sincerity.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:40 PM

86. Trump was raping his wife back in the 80's

But according to trump they were married so it was OK. He has never apologized for that or his sex assaulting grabbing comments.
Neither has Kavanaugh apologized for assaulting and training those girls back in the 80's either. I don't see the GOP calling for them to resign.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:45 PM

89. I don't accept that there are only two pathways forward....either resign, or, try to serve out

the remainder of the term in shame and impotence. Too polarized...again.

Assuming this is the only example of poor, racially charged decisions in his past I wonder if the moment is best owned by him and then he somehow can serve as an example of a changed mind, an enlightened belief, a constructive model. Start a public discourse that allows him to make amends and make a difference. If he resigns, quickly, he's a forgotten public figure. If he is able to stay and make an enormous and transparent effort to do the right thing...then isn't that better?

Now, Northam's lieutenant gov sounds great, if he should ascend to the governorship. Maybe it'll be better in the end. But that's not the point. I'd like to see someone in Northam's position consider ways he can REALLY make a difference on this topic. He has the power of the governor's office...he can lobby for legislation, staff committees, call for research...become an advocate against racism. He has a duty to offset the damage he's done, then and now, and perhaps he should be given the chance to do that?

I'm not saying just forget it and I'm not saying to cut him slack without him FIRST convincing us that he can do something special. But if he's really not the person in the photo anymore, I'm open to hearing how he intends to prove it. Maybe his first and best idea is to let his next in line, who is black, take over. Fine. or maybe he has other ideas how he, as a white guy, can serve. Let's hear it.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:48 PM

91. Can Al Franken be appointed Governor of Virginia? Reciprocity.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:01 PM

96. Sorry...

It's hard for me to have very much compassion for a person who finds enjoyment in mocking the systematic destruction of people who looks like me. People of color have RARELY been given the benefit of doubt, no matter how innocent and old something was.

This just gets a big ol' welp from me.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:13 PM

101. Al Franken all over again.

Sure, Northam did something foolish, and even mean, 35 years ago when he was young. Do you really believe he has not grown and matured?

We set a bad precedent when we let the Republican operatives trick us into forcing Al Franken to resign over a silly show business joke from many years ago.

And we are falling for this again. How many more times are Democrats going to let Republican agents choose which Democrats are allowed to serve in office?

Already Elizabeth Warren has been weakened to the point where she has lost much of her Democratic support. Now the Republicans are going full bore against Kamala Harris.

Notice they choose Democrats who are very effective and popular. Who will be next?

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:13 PM

102. It is times like these that tell us who we are.

It is times like these that tell us who we are.
I would find this unacceptable in any Republican candidate or officeholder.
That means I have to find this unacceptable for a Democratic office holder also.
Otherwise I would be a hypocrite.
I believe Northam must resign.
Justin Fairfax will make a great governor of Virginia

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #102)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:18 PM

103. Not really, the republicans CURRENTLY support a racist bastard while democrats do not. I don't think

... that is a good comparison seeing at least democratic party tries to give a damn.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #103)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:26 PM

106. If the Democratic Party does give a Damn then Northam must resign

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #106)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:28 PM

107. +1, he should because he didn't disclose this crap earlier. I do think we should welcome repentant

... hearts.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #107)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:11 AM

123. If he had really matured, as some claim....

If he had really matured....
He would’ve addressed this years ago.

He would’ve talked about this photograph, how he was raised, and what he learned when he became an adult (because clearly he didn’t seem to be an adult here at 25 in the photo) and how he’s become a better person Who wants to fix some of the social inequalities, and work to eliminate the prejudices that exist our nation.

He would’ve addressed the terror the KKK brought the families across the south and the rest of this nation for that matter.

He would’ve addressed the symbolism of the old confederacy represented in blackface and how it is a legacy not to be cherished and idolized, but to be scored, spurned, and denigrated.

He had 34 years to get out in front of this picture, but he did not.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:45 PM

110. This governor should resign - -

I grew up in Illinois in the 1950's and 60's. Never ever would it have occurred to me to dress up like someone who in fact murdered and terrorized black people. This yearbook page was his chosen way to present himself in 1984 in his medical school yearbook - this was about 20 years after the full fledged launching of the civil rights movement. Yes, everyone has things they regret from their youth but dressing up in this particular hateful racist regalia is not something that can be just poo-pooed. Yes he probably is no longer that stupid totally white supremacist person, but even so this symbol of hatred and terror is too much for a current governor. I do not want Trump bringing up this guy's yearbook photo to excuse for all of the racists in his party.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:53 PM

112. He might be "your guy" but he's not "my guy." Here's my guy:

Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax



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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:58 PM

113. Agreed. Unless there's a 35-year pattern, he's not a racist. n/t

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #113)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:06 AM

115. 1984 wasn't the dark ages. He knew better. And his medical school should have known better

than to publish that thing. I lived in Virginia several years before then and this kind of humor was UNACCEPTABLE.

And knowing that yearbook photo was out there -- and I refuse to believe he didn't -- he should have made this public and apologized BEFORE he ran for public office.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:59 PM

114. This is why Republicans always beat us

We HAND THEM the gun to use against us.

Expect similar tactics against every 2020 contender. And expect 4 more years of Trump and McConnell.

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #114)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:08 AM

116. What have we lost if he resigns and Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax replaces him?

We'll have a good Democratic governor without a (no longer hidden) racist past.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #116)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:14 AM

118. I agree with that, but...

But we're setting the precedent that Repug operatives can destroy any of our elected officials whenever they please.

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #118)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:29 AM

120. We're setting a standard so we're not the total hypocrites that they are. If Northam had put this

photo out there before running for public office, and offered an explanation about his change of heart and his sorrow, I think he'd still have a political career. His big mistake was trying to hide this.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #120)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 06:34 AM

125. The photo has always been "out there." How could

he have hidden it? It’s just now that Republicans found it and made hay.

None of this excuses his dressing up in one of those costumes.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #125)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 07:29 AM

129. No, it wasn't. He needed to hand it over to his campaign team, so they could decide

how to handle it. This is SOP. Instead, he blindsided them.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #129)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:14 AM

140. The yearbooks are in the public library. That is how

The Republicans found it, from the reporting.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:15 AM

119. It wasn't a mistake he made 35 yrs ago

It was a mistake he has made every day since he decided to be a leader and did not choose to address something he knew was in his college yearbook.

I was in high school in the 80s and I’ve seen a lot of yearbooks and I’ve never seen ANYTHING like that.

He should resign.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #119)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:31 AM

121. Yes. By contrast, Beto O'Rourke copped to some stupid college things and probably

few people can even remember them now. Laura Bush did something terrible as a young woman and how many people remember? If she had run for office that wouldn't have been what held her back.

Americans tend to be forgiving, when people are honest and ask for forgiveness.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 06:46 AM

126. Agree, accept his apology & move on

We seem to be much harsher on our own. Look what happened to Al Franken

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Response to onetexan (Reply #126)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 07:14 AM

127. I think it's already too late for that. And that is because

this occurs in a far, far larger context than whether a VA governor would get to finish out the his single term. Our entire nation is in an existential battle for our future. Will we continue as a representative democracy where voters choose our governors? Or will they be chosen by an uberwealthy ruling class? Will we always be chatting on line like this, or will we nervously remember and regret what we once wrote?

The culture wars and current surge of demands for women's and minority rights and equality are a big part of this. On right and left, they are supplying much of the voter fuel that wannabe kleptocrats are using to take power AND much of the voter fuel Democrats are using to fight to save our democracy. Some naturally assume what's happening here is all about one man and racism, but it's not. But for sure what's happening is especially huge for POC. We all have a tremendous amount at stake, but how much worse would their lives be if we all lost the power of the vote? In a world where whole towns and counties can now be quickly brought to their knees, scrabbling for survival, just by turning off the electricity and water?

In any case, that's what I believe is happening. When the right manages to weaponize one of our politicians against us in this giant battle, his or her colleagues move to eliminate their new weapon, not leave it in place to batter us right up through November 2, 2020.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 07:51 AM

133. It's different parties at the end of the day

We find ourselves in this situation more than Republicans because we have higher standards (the belief that government can improve society, eg) and a much more diverse group of voters (a government of all the people). Republicans can get away with abusing this or that segment because they cater to a much more narrow constituency. Their voters also tend to have a more jaundiced view of human nature and lower expectations of what government can and should do.

Try to think of the equivalent situation for a Republican Northam. What would it be? Posing with the Bible with its pages torn out and being used for toilet paper? Yeah, I guess that would sink him. But it’s a party that is obviously comfortable with sexism and racism and we’re not. It comes down to voters. Northam received strong support from blacks, why should they have to endure this from him, and how can he proceed with full credibility as their Governor? These are basic questions that Republicans rarely confront.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:46 AM

134. I'm an AA and I agree

I've read the back and forth and paid attention to both sides of the argument. I have yet to see anyone who thinks that he should resign, give another instance of this man being racist. I've yet to see anyone point to a pattern of racism. I truly wish he had come clean during his campaign and used it as a teachable moment. However, he fought against racist symbols during his campaign.

I believe he was misguided in his younger days, but I haven't heard of anything in present time to make me believe he's a racist now. Donald Trump has been and still is a proven racist. Mitch McConnell is a racist etc. The zero tolerance policy in politics does not seem to extend to the Republicans. All these Democratic presidential contenders need to be careful of the precedents that they set. What will they do when the "zero tolerance" standard they set comes knocking at their door? And it will. Who will be left standing?

We all have a past, and sometimes some of us do things that we are so ashamed of, we wish we could just bury. If we all should focus solely on our negative past experiences to lead us to elevation and promotion in life, most of us would go nowhere. Learning from the negative aspects of our past and rising above them is called growth. This is where the focus should be. That growth was evident in his fight to remove confederate monuments.

I'm watching to see how he handles this revelation. He should to use this moment to educate others and take us through his growth process (how he moved from the kkk hood and blackface yearbook to fighting against symbols of racism). An apology, then move on is not enough imo.

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Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:01 AM

136. Robert Byrd was a good Senator. And a good democrat.

Early in his life, before his senate career, he belonged to the KKK. He was a changed man as a senator and served the people as well or better than almost any senator ever has.

In our current cannibal environment he would have been hounded by his fellow Democrats for something from his distant past and eventually resigned. What is going on right now in the Democratic Party is a guaranteed way to lose.

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Sat Feb 2, 2019, 10:49 AM

139. Huh

Racism doesn't have an expiry date. These images have not been accepteable in the past, in the present nor will it be acceptable in the future. Northam MUST understand that this is bigger than him and he will have to pay the ultimate price by resigning.



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