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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLet's take a look at some noted people who made mistakes in life and were forgiven and continued on:
Robert Byrd: KKK member. Changed bigtime and became a very LONGSTANDING U.S. Senator who served honorably.
Bill Clinton: Multi-Infidelity; Admitted Misleading Statements About Infidelity (Apologized, continue to successful post-presidency.)
Jesse Jackson: Infidelity (Made personal amends. Continued as important civil rights, political, and religious leader.)
Marion Barry: Lying, Criminal Drug Use and Possession (Did re-hab, served his time, re-entered public life at the local level.)
George Wallace: Defender of Segregation (Later reversed those views, moderated, and was widely forgiven, and continued to serve as governor well into the 1980's.)
Mel Gibson: Anti-Semetic and Racist Rants When Drunk (Apologized many times, took hiatus, got alcohol abuse treatment, and is now back as a successful actor and director.)
Joy Reid: Homophobic Statements (Apologized and continues to work successfully.)
Tulsi Gabbard: Homophobic Statements (Apologized and continues to serve successfully.)
Kevin Hart: Homophobic Statements (Apologized and continues very successfully.)
And the list goes on and on.
Also, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned many slaves, and Abraham Lincoln for a long while was not for ending slavery but just containing it. (Washington said in his will his slaves would be free only upon the death of his wife. She released them while she was still living. He pre-deceased her.) (Lincoln even said at one point, "If I could save the union without freeing any slaves I would do it." He placed saving the union above slavery. He later was for getting rid of slavery entirely on principle.)
We all make mistakes and misjudgements. Hopefully we live, we learn, we change, we grow, and we earn forgiveness and chances to continue on. Mistakes long ago should not define use forever. EVERYONE makes mistakes. EVERYONE.
Squinch
(50,944 posts)Nope. Nuh-uh.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)Squinch
(50,944 posts)LBM20
(1,580 posts)how non-racist and good a life he has lived ever since? And while I did not do that, as a kid, teen, and young adult living in much different times I, like so many people in those days, said some dumb and wrong things on some occasions around race, gender, ethnicity, orientation, etc. often in the context of "humor" at the time, in social situations, etc. Like so many, I grew and learned and haven't done that for many,many years, don't do it now, and certainly am not any bigot of any kind.
Very few people, especially those from past generations, didn't say or do something wrong along those lines.
We learn, we grow, we change, we can not condemn people forever.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Get a sense of proportion. Get a sense of timing. Get a sense of history and the development of cultural mores.
Squinch
(50,944 posts)In no arena was it appropriate.
And the defense here of a grown man wearing it is very, very surprising. It is exhibiting itself in very disturbing ways.
For example, there is your contention that I need to "get some help" because I have stated that a grown man wearing a KKK hood and robe was unacceptable in 1984 and is unacceptable now.
It is very disturbing that you think that is something for which someone needs to "get some help."
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)druidity33
(6,446 posts)for costume parties in the early 80's. Growing up in Suffolk Co, LI... i'm sorry to say it was too frequently seen on Halloween. I'm appalled, but i can also see how it was when he was young and during a different time. It's not like he was actually IN THE KKK. I don't like to be intolerant and unforgiving, so i'm gonna let him slide this time...
Squinch
(50,944 posts)druidity33
(6,446 posts)you lived in a "nicer" neighborhood? First time i saw a kkk costume i remember asking my dad what the hood meant... i can't quite recall what he said but i remember him being angry about it. I seem to recall it was more popular in the late 70's early 80's.
One guy from down the block used that costume multiple times. He ended up joining the Marines.
Squinch
(50,944 posts)had his ass handed to him.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)dameatball
(7,396 posts)early that they were not good people and never had any urge to play dress up. Everyone has had different experiences in life, but I think that it is easier to take this stuff more seriously when you have seen it in real life. Small town Florida was a paradise in some ways back then, but the dark underbelly was always there as well.
Golden Raisin
(4,608 posts)in the 1950s/1960s and never saw anything like that. There was still the straggling remnants of a colony of Nazi sympathizers in Yaphank but that was about it.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)No way would so many posters be making so many excuses if this was a republican governor.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)marybourg
(12,614 posts)He needs to be, if not beyond reproach, then at least worthy of respect.
druidity33
(6,446 posts)if an R had done this 40 years ago, the things he had done since then were probably just as egregious only less obvious. Look at Northams record since that picture was taken... has he supported racist legislation? Has he made statements of any kind that refute this picture of him as a young man? Are there any other indications he is unfit for office? His record should stand for itself. I abhor zero tolerance policies. This "controversy" is a distraction, and that was the intention...
Double standards never play well...
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)anyone that has not lived a socially and culturally active, exposed life while making many mistakes and misjudgments and learned from that life and made corrections in their nature and personality is not worthy of public service.
I further contend (although I often falter) that it's not my job to openly judge others unless I've been duly appointed to do so.....
I also have to try to ask myself if I'm ready to accept responsibility for the potential effects of my open judgments. For example, young people are committing suicide every day due to bullying on social media and people charged with crimes - but not convicted - have their lives ruined due to public condemnation prior to trial.
We collectively can do better.......
Croney
(4,657 posts)LBM20
(1,580 posts)LBM20
(1,580 posts)MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)And people need to be crucified for what's found.
Vinca
(50,261 posts)exhibits racism, bigotry, misogyny, hatred and downright perversion and no one has ever called for him to resign. I don't really care what the governor does, but at least he seems to have changed his ways and has issued a sincere apology. Whatever happens, we shouldn't lose our focus. The governor - whether racist or not - will not cause the end of our democracy. Trump might well do that if allowed to continue in the office.
LexVegas
(6,058 posts)LBM20
(1,580 posts)something like this LONG in the past with no regard for how long ago it was and how well the person has lived his life ever since.
We are eating our own and the right wingers are laughing their asses off at us. Nothing to be proud of.
volstork
(5,399 posts)If he were a republican, we would all be foaming at the mouth and demanding his ouster.
Yes, it was stupid and racist. Yes, it was 35 years ago. Yes, everyone makes mistakes, but THIS mistake is and always should be unconscionable.
People here are using the same excuses the repubs used for kavanaugh: "It was years ago." "He was just a kid." (Yes, I understand the difference between what Northam did and what kavanaugh was accused of.)
As Democrats, we cannot play both sides of the fence and let a fellow Democrat slide for something that would prompt us to pillory a republican.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)should have a chance for foregiveness. Yes, it was very wrong, but my god, this eating of our own over mistakes from nearly four decades ago is getting crazy.
manor321
(3,344 posts)Public service is a *privilege*. He can go elsewhere.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)LBM20
(1,580 posts)Squinch
(50,944 posts)out to them.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)worth it for the laugh
But no
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)It's easy to be critical of others assuming your own history will remain unrevealed.
Bayard
(22,055 posts)Kavenaugh