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[abelenkpe]

1. Lunacy. Nt

[RagAss]

2. I don't think there is anything that I could care less about.

[nc4bo]

3. Would love to hear our resident DU Mormons respond to this.

I value their insight immensely.

[XemaSab]

4. I'll do you one better

Some conservative Christians believe that women were literally created to be the helpers of men.

Oh yes.

http://www.amazon.com/Created-Be-His-Help-Meet/dp/1892112604/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345602031&sr=8-1&keywords=debi+pearl+created+to+be+his+help+meet

[Auntie Bush]

14. So I guess they don't have old maids in Morman heaven.

Sorry, I hate the term old maid...but single woman doesn't cut it.

[Care Acutely]

16. It leaves me too to wonder about the profoundly disabled, or girls who have the nerve to die

as young adults (say, 18) without yet having flung their souls onto the marital bed.

[FreeState]

17. Actually the concept of Mormon heaven is being misrepresented here

LDS doctrine teaches that those that are mentally disabled are guaranteed entrance into the highest heaven. They are considered the purest of the pure among us.

Mormon afterlife consist of 4+ possibilities:

Hell
Outer darkness: this is the LDS version of hell - its reserved for males who held the priesthood, met Jesus face to face and denied his divinity. (women can not go to hell/outer darkness in LDS doctrine, they can not hold the priesthood which is required to be eligible for outer darkness, which is defined as being out of the light or presence of God)

Heaven
Terrestrial kingdom: murders, thieves etc. who had no belief in Jesus (yes they go to heaven in LDS beliefs).

Telestial kingdom: all those that lead good lives but did not accept the LDS Gospel (Catholics, non-active mormons etc)

Celestial Kingdom: Those that were baptized Mormon and followed the LDS Gospel.

Three kingdoms within the Celestial kingdom (per wikipedia, cause Im too lazy to type it all out!): Joseph Smith taught that the celestial kingdom itself is subdivided into three "heavens or degrees".[9] Only those individuals who are sealed in celestial marriage to a spouse in a temple while alive (or after death by proxy) will be permitted to enter into the highest degree of celestial kingdom.[10] These individuals will eventually become "exalted"[11] and will be permitted to live "the kind of life God lives" as literal gods and goddesses, as Doctrine and Covenants 132 explains.[12] The nature of the other two degrees within the Celestial Kingdom have not been described, except to say that the people who go there will become "ministering angels".[13]

[liberalmuse]

5. I remember sitting in church...

hearing a talk on how wonderful it will be for women in heaven. They will be eternally married to a man who will become a god, and he'll get to have many wives, and they will all give birth to enough children to populate other worlds. For eternity. Eternal pregnancy - this is what women in the Mormon church are taught they can look forward too. I used to babysit for a lady who had 6 kids. I could tell she was really unhappy, and a few years later I'd found out she committed suicide. Coincidentally, the man my aunt (NOT a Mormon) ended up marrying after divorcing my uncle used to go to my church and his wife committed suicide, too.

I also remember going to Mutual (it's what they called the teen group back when I went) and they passed around a rose and told us to look at it and touch it. Then when we were done, the teacher took the rose and held it up and said, 'Now look at this rose. It's not so pretty anymore, is it? If you let boys touch you, you will become like this wilted, ugly rose.' When my sister and I went home to tell our mom, she was pissed. Granted, she used to tell us, "I would rather you come home in a pine box than have sex before you're married", but she did have some sane moments - until she left Mormonism and become a fundie. Then it was batshit all the way.

[Auntie Bush]

6. So grateful I was not born into the Mormon Religion. I wonder how they

ever get women to convert to Mormonism and become second class citizens.?

[kestrel91316]

7. I am so grateful my grandparents were jack mormons, and that my dad

never had a thing to do with the church.

[TruthAnalyzed]

8. Two things...

The LDS church has a past, with some undesirably elements, just as many churches have had problems.

Also, there are big problems that come up because the LDS church doesn't have very much 'official' doctrine. Most of the things you can come across are ideas, or generally accepted, but usually not official teachings of the church.

Dunno, the Mormons I know are some of the kindest, happiest people I've ever met.

[reformist2]

9. It's clear to me now Mitt's only religion is the worship of money.

[no_hypocrisy]

11. Marie Osmond submitted herself to this nonsense?

Either they have separate rules for celebrity Mormons, she's not as Mormon as she used to be, or she's been effectively banned from The Temple.

[FreeState]

15. Much of what is in the OP is not practiced any longer

Yes the elements remain, however, especially in the case of divorce the OP is stating how it worked years ago. Women can and do get Temple divorces without a sexual sin on either spouses part. (Usually when they remarry in the Temple - women can only be sealed to one man so they have to get a Temple divorce, men can be sealed to many women and don't require a temple divorce).

The OP also has a quote in it about women going to heaven that is so overly simplified and old (pre current thought and doctrine) that is just does not make any sense. Neither males nor females can enter the highest kingdom of heaven without being sealed in the temple. (This belief came after Joseph Smith by a good 30 years, the quote about getting into heaven was pre-three-kingdom doctrine).

They do not have special or different rules for celebrities (unlike scientology).

[IggleDoer]

13. In the seventies, I had discussions with at least two different Mormon men.

Their basic attitude was that their wives were insatiable nymphomaniacs who needed to have sex with their husband to keep them in line. Rather than saying that they made love, had sex, etc., they called it "servicing" their wives.

The thought occurred to me that servicing their wives was more like a lube job on their cars, but that's another thing.

I've also spoken with Mormon women who would act out bizarrely because they felt trapped. One was shunned because she didn't have any children yet, and didn't want to.