For those calling for Northems head, do you know Cory Stewart?
Stewart was the Retrumplican Northem beat in the last election. He's a fucking straight up unapologetic racist.
He associated closely with and refused to denounce the guy who organized the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville that resulted in a young woman being murdered and tiki marchers chanting blood and soil.
He ran a campaign mostly centered around; "we will defend our Confederate statues to the death"! Oh and taxcuts for the rich. Thankfully, Northem beat him like a drum.
I want to point out that Stewart was and is doing that NOT as a drunk stupid 20 year old college student, but as a 50+ year old Retrumplican candidate for Governor of Virginia in 2018
There is no excuse for Northems acts as a 20 year old college student... except for the fact that he has dedicated the better part of 30+ years in service and in fighting for a more perfect union in our country.
Those of us in Virginia know he's about as racist as Fred Rogers.
Thankfully it will be the people of Virginia to decide whether he should be forgiven. It's the people of Virginia who will decide if a stupid act 35 years ago will nullify the decision millions of Virginians made just a little over a year ago. It will not be some blog site that claims to support Democrats.
There are some that say he must go or the Retrumplicans will use this to distort and smear the Democratic party. May I remind you that this is a party and political phylosophy that turned an innocent risotto recipe into a pedophilia ring run out of a DC pizzeria.
There are others who say he must go because Democrats are not like Retrumplicans.
We have already proven that. We nominated a fantastic candidate for president who came from nothing and worked her ass off to get where she was. A compassionate and caring woman, mother and devoted grandmother.
They fucking nominated Donnie fucking Trump.
Being "better" than them didn't seem to matter in that case, did it?
I don't know if Northem should or will survive. I just know that at 62 years of age, I'm damned fucking glad that my entire life isn't defined by what I did in college.
but in point of fact this makes Northam a bigger fraud not less of one. He literally won his race because his opponent was rightly thought to be a racist.
After losing the governor primary to gellespie.
It's hard to keep your racist Virginia Retrumplicans straight.
I thought that they reported that this was a medical school yearbook. Maybe it is a pre-med book when he was in college. Help.
Doesn't mean anyone knows when it was taken, we don't know if Northam chose it to included himself, and in fact we don't know if it's him in either costume (at least, not last I heard, I've not checked quite caught up on news this am).
Something that happened 30 years ago defines someone's entire life. Both as a party and as a society.
I grew up and went to college in the Deep South, with parents who did the same. In my 25 years in the region, I saw one person in blackface, and no Klan hoods ever. I encountered the man in blackface at a Halloween party in the mid-2000s. He had painted himself brown to dress up as the rapper Lil Wayne. Any memory I had of my own costume is lost to history, but Ill never forget his. I also remember the handful of times Ive ever heard a white person say the N-word out loud in front of me. White people say or wear those things because they want to scare or shock. It works. You remember.
My dad, raised in small-town Georgia in the 1950s and 60s, often scoffs at the kind of hand-waving Northam is doing in an attempt to keep his job. Even half a century ago, even in the rural South, his conservative parents made clear to him how he was expected to treat people, and what kind of language they wouldnt allow. Everyone knew right from wrong, and blatant acts of racism have always been blatantly racist. This was true when my dad was a kid, and it was certainly true among grad students in the mid-1980s.
A Klan hood has always been a Klan hood: Its meant to terrify and intimidate, to make legible the violence intended by the person wearing it. Youre supposed to remember a Klan hood. Northam, I would expect, remembers too.
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Are the person we were 35 years ago? I know I am far from being the same. This constant hysteria over a picture that long ago when the man has a great record.
Now, we find out a far right wing rag was alerted to this.
Funny, Republicans did not punish Kavanaugh. I think we need to restore a little common sense. Look how Franken was railroaded, one of our best Senators.
...yet even those here who pretend to be holier than thou all have secrets in their own past that I'm sure would shame us all.
Usually the people who are the most judgemental about people are that way because they did much worse and it helps them to feel better to belittle others for their own past.
Not one of us is free from mistakes in our past. Not one has not regretted, moved on.
What is really getting to me is those who listen breathlessly to the pundits who are more hypocrical than we are.
They took Joy off when it came out about all the things she wrote about gays, gradually put her back on when it died down,yet she is front and center of the hysteria.
Look at Scarborough. He had Trump on every day by phone long after the other stations refused. Their dear friend, Donald until he threatened to expose their affair and Mikas face lift. Boy, they changed over night.
We already lost Franken because of right wing lies! When do we quit? The enemy within is the most dangerous.
We could have been. Nono of us are lily white in our past. Why pretend we are?
Nothams fellow students are defending him,saying that is not him in the picture. We are rushing to judgement, the same way Democrats went after Franken.
I am tired of being swift boated!
I expect more out of our elected officials than an average person.
And, frankly, I expect more out of liberals who are so quick to defend/dismiss racism in the party just for the sake of keeping the party in leadership position. Imagine being a black member of the Democratic Party and white liberals shrugging at past racist action of its elected officials because, gosh, who among us didn't make a mistake 30 years ago?!?
I admit a very troubled past with stuff that would be seen by people here at DU as completely abhorrent. Yet, I'm a completely different person now and learned from those mistakes and try to do what's best now, in everything that I do...yet imagine if I ran for office, what do you think is going to be on the front page of every newspaper...all the shit from 50 years ago, they'll bury all the other stuff on page A17.
... show that you've changed.
That's way better than not admitting it upfront to party and election team, having pictures come out like Northams and then not letting it be a full throated apology.
I agree, I'm all for repentant hearts cause reThug hatred of liberal democracies need all the fight they can get.
But there's a way to keep oneself out of the soup of the past as a visible public servant like Northam
To many Republicans racism is of no moment. In other breaking news water is still wet,
We have lost our very best over this kind of knee jerk cleansing behavior.
My husband, a good and decent man, grew up in a Republican area with Republican parents. He was a "fiscally conservative" Republican. He voted for "W" twice. With time, with education, and with eyes wide open, he has voted for every Democratic candidate since and including Obama. Including Hillary Clinton, Ralph Northam. and Tim Kaine. Granted, my husband's not running for office, but I'd say he's now doing "a lot better."
I'm weary of this crap. I'm sorry for my neighbors and fellow Virginians, Americans, people who are of color. I'm so sorry for the hurt and continual, never-ending crap you put up with. I will say, though, that I'm also not smart enough to say what Northam or the party should do. I'm a Virginian who could never have voted for Gillespie or Stewart. I did vote for Tom Perriello in the primary, but when Northam won, I voted for him. He's an imperfect person - and aren't we all?
It is no longer about Northam. Every prominent Democratic including every prominent Virginia Democrat has called on him to resign. Every day hew stays is the bad day for The Democratic party.
Was he a Repub that recently?
And VA is not a state where you could say that is the best Democrat you could get, as you might with WV.
And 87% of African Americans voted for him while 57% of whites voted for Ed Gillespie. He had the all important (D) after his name in VA and tarnished the brand.
Your white privilege is showing.
Pointing out privlege is civil. Telling someone to take it somewhere else is not.
As a 60-year-old white guy who was raised in white suburbia because his parents fled the city so he wouldn't be bussed, I can tell you that white privilege is something you and I have enjoyed, and used, without even knowing it.
See, even way-back-when, if I'd have seen some white guy in black face, or wearing kkk regalia at a party, I would have been offended. Or, I guess my sense of propriety would have been offended. Racism where I grew up was considered tasteless and lower class if expressed in the open. But it was very strong and very common behind closed doors.
Let me give you an example of white privilege in action. I live in suburbia still, and a couple of years ago had a very serious injury that caused me to be disabled. Well, during the recovery time, I simply forgot to renew the license plates for my 2015 model SUV crossover.
It just completely slipped my mind. So, surprise, nine months later - nine months - after my license plates had expired, I was pulled over in this very same affluent suburb. The cop was white, and I've already mentioned I am. Anyway, at first I was in denial - oh, no, I couldn't have forgotten that, I said. Please, let me look through every single document in the glove box. I must have done it!
So the cop waited nicely while I did that. Then, I apologized. Said, well I can't find it, so I must have forgotten. He nodded and said he'd have to write me a ticket, and it would cost me $X and I would have to get my plates renewed before I took the car on the road again.
Now - here's the white privilege. When he handed me the ticket, I said, can I just drive home? I live less than a mile from here. He stayed silent a moment, just a few seconds and looked at me. Then, he came to a decision. Yes, he said, you must have just forgotten, because this is a new car. It would be in my power to have the car towed, but I'm going to let you drive it home. The ticket will cost enough.
Now, I've never been black. I don't know what it is like to be black. But I cannot but have some nagging doubt that the cop might well have made a different choice had I been black. I'll never really know, though, but I have seen many videos of cops absolutely grinding on black people for lesser offences.
So, that's white privilege. Yeah, I enjoyed it. In that case, I was glad to have it because between the ticket and the renewal, it cost me nearly one large. If the cop had impounded the car, I would not have been able to walk that distance home because I can't walk very well at all. I'd have had to call for a ride, and then it would have cost several hundred more to get the car out of the pound. That cop did me a favor by letting me drive home.
But...and hear this, please...even as sheltered as my life has been - I didn't even ever talk to someone black until college, I STILL knew clear back in my twenties that the kkk robes and hood are symbols of terror.
Back to that hypothetical party I mention above. White privilege allows me to look at some nimrod stupid enough to wear that as a costume and then the next day it's just a funny memory - did you SEE that jerk? Geez...
A black person at that same party might have awakened that night with a nightmare and shivers, because his/her family member may have been terrorized by these goons in the not-so-distant past. A black person might carry that memory for weeks, months or even years and shudder every time it came into consciousness.
No white guy smart enough to get into med school should have been dumb enough to put on the hood and robes, or black face.
Detroit cop mocking black woman made to walk home. Expired tags was the reason.
A man who had graduated college, was in his last year of medical school and months away from being an officer in the Army was in that picture.
We are being told by many that someone wearing klan robes or dressing in blackface is no big deal if it happens 35 years ago.
I have been told recently (on this board) that what I am saying is offensive to white people and I need to quit saying it.
And the party is assuming we will vote for the next white candidate with a questionable past that they put in front of us. The worst part is we will do so. It isnt like I think a Republican would be better.
So we will keep voting for a party that treats us like second class citizens.
This is the epitome of white privilege.
The racism of many here at DU has become abundantly clear recently. (That is not directed at you)
or dressed in KKK garb. This has nothing to do with white privilege; it has everything to do with a rush to judgment to annihilate a man with no proof. Nice try.
those attempting to rush to judgment to be sitting on a jury; guilty with no proof doesn't cut it.
photo in the year book which Northam has stated is not him.
Northam clearly stated he was not in the racist picture shown in the year book.
Always thought you were innocent till proven guilty. Not so anymore?!
"Earlier today, a website published a photograph of me from my 1984 medical school yearbook in a costume that is clearly racist and offensive," Northam said. "I am deeply sorry for the decision I made to appear as I did in this photo and for the hurt that decision caused then and now.
on 2/2/19 clarified his previous statement and included a denial that the racist photo was of him. Who the hell remembers who, what, when, where and why from 35 years ago. Already keeping up and not condemning the innocent.
Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus is a Latin phrase meaning "false in one thing, false in everything." At common law, it is the legal principle that a witness who testifies falsely about one matter is not credible to testify about any matter.
are condemned without solid proof. Mob mentality opinion is not proof.
I don't know -- maybe it's an age or generational thing, but I'm amazed by the number of DUers here who do NOT seem to get the deeply negative significance of Blackface, not to mention the KKK. .
and until there is, this is another Al Franken moment. Democrats need to stop taking down their own without proof positive of some kind of heinous act.
and I believe I've already explained the difference, so I won't bother repeating myself.
Unfortunately some can't see past the noise and get to the important things that really matter.
I guess I should have put that sarcasm thingy on my post. I never thought that it would go over someone's head.
Tell us; how does it feel to making literally the same arguments that the Kavanaugh supporters did?
And there is also this;
The racist photo seems unrelated to the other pictures on what has been termed his year book page(s). Could the photo be unrelated to him? Was the photo somehow placed by mistake by the year book editor or publisher? More investigation and forensics are required with the photo. The rush to condemnation and punishment continues without definitive proof.
not be hurt with any of ALL their vital demographics. There are many investigative journalists working on determining his innocence or guilt at this very moment.
Oh, he said it wasn't him the next day.
He voted for Bush in 2004 and was presumably a Republican up until 2007 when he ran for public office as a Democrat. It's as likely he's a GOP plant to embarrass the Dems as it is he's factually innocent.
in 2017. Ed Gillespie, a redumbliCON, lost to Northam. Northam said it is not him in the racist photo. Prove that what he claims is not true.
I'll go with that until someone has legitimate proof that it is different.
Everything appears to be straight forward except for your off topic, unrelated response.
We can not let a hysterical media and republican hate mongering to rule us.
Nice try with the "appeal to youth" defense.
"But yer honor, he wuz just a sucklin babe!!" "Plus he wuz drunk I say!!'
Reminds me of Henry Hyde who called the cuckolding of his best friend a "youthful indiscretion".
It's thought, disturbingly, that the GOP had the photo ready to drop if Stewart were the nominee, to defuse criticism of him, but decided not to use it with Gillespie as their candidate because it might cause more white voters to defect to Northam.
In the end, Stewart got more votes for Senate than Gillespie did for Governor.
But the hay wagon is full. The bandwagon is full of wannabes and hangers-on. He's toast. Like Gillibrand is toast. Sometimes the one who is toast is the last one to recognize it.
Northam now says that that is not him in the picture. He darkened his face for a Michael Jackson dance contest, instead. That is a big goofup, if it really is not him, because that's not what he said at first.
It's horrible to blacken the face. The 1980s is pretty late an era to be doing that. I don't remember anyone doing that here in Louisiana.
There's no indication he's a racist, just that he did something stupid as a 25 year old. I view this as a matter for Virginia. He is a legally elected governor of a state. Not a SCT justice. Not a Senator. A Governor.
But now that the hay wagon is full, he has no chance. When a politician has that in his past, he really needs to get that behind him at the beginning. Otherwise, this can happen.
The Tired Broken Down Dog to Hunt. One has to wonder why at this point? Ummmm.....
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Such rarified circles that theyve never heard of Cory Stewart, But theyd cheerfully hands Virginias government over to Republican reactionaries to prove some arcane and obtuse political point that they alone understand.
Living in a state with three horrible right-Wing reactionaries as Governor, Lieutenant-Governor, and Attorney General, I cant help but question the quality of either their thought processes or their connection to reality.
Im old enough to to remember decades of right-Wing bleating about the late Senator Robert Byrds onetime membership in the KKK, nearly HALF A CENTURY AFTER BYRD QUIT!!!
Id have thought that more Democrats would have learned from the experience.
Losing Al Franken wasnt enough. Maybe the purists can get Elizabeth Warren to resign because she once walked under a ladder or Kamala Harris to quit because she occasionally steps on a crack in the sidewalk.
The VA Black Senate Caucus
Former Vice President Joe Biden
Former Governor Doug Wilder
Former GovernorTerry McAullife
DNC Chairmaz Tom Perez
who have called for Northam's resignation.
Northam is killing us.
Youre on a roll today. A disgusting fucking roll.
Hope that was auto-correct and not an intentional misspelling of her name.
Why is he relevant? oh, wait....he isn't.
because Perriello had the guts to defend the just-passed ACA to the hilt, and his Repuke opponent beat him over the head with it on the way to victory.
the ACÁ when some of his colleagues were "distancing" themselves from Obama.
I voted for him twice, but second time we were redistricted and lost Martinsville, gained a whole lot of farmland.
He's a good man. I'd vote for him for anything.
It is what Northam would do now that should matter most. But from now on, check the yearbooks during the primaries!
In college, about the same age, Prince Harry dressed up as a Nazi.
Does anyone believe Prince Harry is a Nazi?
Is in Britain in a Family that has been appointed as a monarchy WITHOUT RULE MAKING POWER since the 1600ths. Ralph is an American Governor with Power of Law over an entire Commonwealth of Virginia.
....When The What-About-Ism is down right stupid is as stupid does....
No comparison. Try again.
Im not the only one with the OPINION.
So calling it stupid is dismissive and rude.
Not an argument to destroy a man occupation and life.
Prince Harry - Not American, British, Not In Power Even In Britain In Any Sort of Authority of Anything Outside of a Air Branch of the British Air Force.
Ralph Northam - Current GOVERNOR of the Commonwealth of Virginia, In A Position of Power To Sign and Veto Laws For The Entire Commonwealth of Virginia - Including Those Who Are Highly Offended To His Chosen Use Of Blackface, a KKK Uniform and the Name "Coonman" on a Medical School Yearbook Page when he was 25 Years Old in the year 1984 --- not 1884. HE KNEW WHAT WAS UP!
These are the Facts. All Vain Attempts What-About-Ism is Stupid Spin. Period. Ralph needs to GTFO and other Elected Officials in his OWN STATE has called for him to do just that.
Im not sure you even know or care about anyone elses opinion.
We are talking about what is supposedly in Northams heart and what he believes. Not his occupation. That you want as a punishment.
If at some point, there is what I feel is real evidence of his racism at any point in is work history or in his private life. I would definitely consider his removal. A point that should be up to his constituents, not me.
I dont care what Prince Harrys position or occupation is. I care what he carries in his heart since that terrible costume.
There is our point of disagreement. Im not sure at this point if Northam is a racist.
We disagree on the basic point, right there. And with that, this discussion is a complete waste of our time.
To an extraordinary man it looks like a reasonable inference.
Im done with your magnificence.
Too blinding for my simple, ordinary perspective.
Because one person got a pass for aberrant behavior another person should get a pass for aberrant behavior as well?
Kant said before when contemplating whether an act is right or wrong you should ask yourself if you want to make that act into a universal law. Would it be appropriate for everybody to dress up in blackface, NAZI uniforms, and Klan outfits?
However, I accept your opinion as your opinion.
Also, Northam voted for George Bush when Northam was 40 and 44 years old. We don't need him.
As I read it in the NYT's, it's the Lieutenant Governor who would replace Northem. A Democrat named Justin Fairfax.
What the heck is the right story? Why are we talking about Cory Stewart at this point?
Northam did not lynch anybody, and her did not drug and rape a high school student. What he did was wrong, and he was apologized. I did some petty stupid stuff in my youth, some off which I still regret. I've tried to make up for it since.
He's hurting the party and causing pain among a constituency that has given us our margin of victory in every presidential election since Lyndon Johnson. It is no longer about him. It's about the wellbeing of the party. He can heal as a private citizen.
Racism is always wrong. We all accept this statement. What Gov Northam did 35 years ago was wrong. But weve all done stupid, unacceptable things while we were in our 20s. Im no exception. That said, I think we need to examine what Gov Northam did since then. Do his actions reflect racism? No. Has he treated everyone equally? According to all the statements made by people who know Northam he has never acted as a racist.
We all have what could be considered racist thoughts. Our brains are wired to be suspicious of those who arent like us. But what separates those of us who arent racists from racists is how we act towards others. Gov Northam has, according to all reports, never acted in a racist manner.
You make some very good points.
Personally, I'm not entirely devoted to one side of the matter or the other. He can resign or he can stay. I'll leave it to be decided locally.
It's not easy living up to good values, in my personal life I've been beaten up plenty of times because I wouldn't sacrifice my integrity. Yes the Repuks play dirty and it would certainly be easier to stoop to their level, but that won't ultimately win the battle. We can't sweep Northem's photo, no matter when it was taken, under the rug. To do so is wrong and will damage the Democratic party's reputation among many supporters.... including myself.
Serious question for those who want him to resign: does he have to resign only because he is representing a constituency? If he was a teacher would he have to resign? What if he was a policeman? Would it be appropriate if he was a doctor? Is he Ok to do people's taxes or can he literally not have any job? I'm seriously not sure where people are at on this.
I would have trouble seeing Northam as a good representative for my interests. I'm not a POC, however as a woman I look at Northam actions and think, if it's so easy to denigrate POC then it's not a stretch of the imagination to assume he could denigrate women. I don't wish the man any ill and certainly want him to make a living, but he's not good leadership material.
Which means, by definition, he was no OLDER than 25 when the photo was taken.
The pic could've been from 1974 for all we know. You can't tell how old either person is ... I'm mean they're not CHILDREN, but ...
School yearbooks contain pictures of that particular school's time -- not baby or high school shots
Maybe they ask the students to include one funny or embarrassing picture from high school. Hell maybe they invite others to send in such pictures of the students, like siblings and parents.
I'm just saying, everybody going "ZOMG HE'S 25 AND THE PIC IS 1984!" like it's a hard-cold, stone FACT ... are actually just guessing. An educated guess? Yes. FACT? Not necessarily.
Do you really think Northam himself wouldn't raise that point if it were pertinent?... Please. You're grasping at straws.
rally around the racist call to arms.
Northam should resign.
He was not a 20 year old college student, he was a 25 year old med student. He also never ran against Cory Stewart, he ran against Ed Gillespie.
I AM a Virginian. From the 757. Retired a few years back after 30 years in the Navy...all but 5 of those spent rotating between sea and shore duty at NAS Oceana, Naval Station Norfolk and NAB Little Creek.
Still live and work in VA and just worked my ass off helping ensure Elaine Luria beat Scott Taylor.
Sorry that I made a mistake about who Cory Stewart ran against. It's pretty hard since he's run for everything lately.
But I am not wrong about who and what he is.
Pretending to be a confederate. He was born and raised in Duluth Minnesota, went to St. Olaf College, married a Swede. All his baloney of protecting his confederate heritage is a lie, and a facade for his racism.
Its clear folks here could care less about the base of the Democratic party.
Too many people here want to dance to the Breitbart double-shuffle. They really ought to know better after what happened to Al Franken.