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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDivide and Conquer at the New York Times Today
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/02/opinion/sunday/women-voting-19th-amendment-white-supremacy.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=HomepageI encourage DUers to read and comment on this piece. Did you know that Black folks in this country suffer under oppression because their disenfranchised white sisters did not liberate them? Did you know that women suffer under oppression, because their disenfranchised Black brothers did not liberate them? This is the subtle message of this piece, which serves the purpose of Capital by pitting workers against each other---in this case women versus racial minorities, but it could have been written one hundred years ago about Italians versus Irish. Many, many years ago, Engels commented that the American capitalist keeps worker's wages low and prevents unionization by workers by pitting one groups of immigrants against another. We still do--this is the real motive of Trump's War on Immigrants. But as the number of immigrants coming to this country has slowed, we have increasingly pitted young versus old, gay versus not-gay, Black versus white, men versus women, disabled versus not-disabled.
Wake up and smell the Divide and Conquer, working class America. How do you think the 1% manage to keep the rest of us under their thumb in a so called democracy? They do it by encouraging us to fight among ourselves. And they tell us that any attempt to talk about "capital" and "wages" and "unions" is somehow un-American. Marxist economic theory is only un-American if you think that the real American are the billionaires who get rich stealing the labor of others.
And remember, Dr. King became a real threat to the establishment when he began to focus on worker's rights. He was in Memphis to support a union when he was murdered. And Brother Malcolm became a threat (and was murdered) when he came back from mecca convinced that whites were not the enemy and that we should all work together.
Solidarity!
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)King was not just a civil rights hero but a progressive hero.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Many of the hard-fought rights we have gained in the country have come at the cost of denying those rights to black people. We remain at risk of doing it again if we don't recognize how much it has happened in the past.
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)Wake up and smell the divide and conquer America!
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)And love you, Mountain Granny! As one granny to another, old age rocks!
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)Every day I thank goodness Im 71 and healthy. Love my granddaughters forever but fear for their future.
Love your too granny McCamy Taylor.
Ms. Toad
(33,992 posts)Any honest exploration of liberation movements includes an exploration of the internalized misogyny, racism, and homophobia.
Are you aware, for example, that one of the significant barriers to the numerous federal LGBT ENDA (employment nondiscrimniation act) bills introduced in nearly every congress since 1994 is the internal struggle with whether to insist on inclusion of transgender individuals as a protected class (introduced in 2007, for the first time as part of the bill). It would be much easier to obtain protection for the more mainstream/acceptable LGB individuals. Why shouldn't we grab what we can get, and come back and pick up trans rights later on?
You don't even have to leave DU to find progressive democrats as recently as 14 years ago blaming LGBT people for the election loss because we refused to sit patiently at the back of the bus waiting our turn (ironically in an election when the RIGHT introduced numerous ballot initiatives to use my marriage to drive people the polls - which I, and most other LGBT individuals remained silent on because we knew the Supreme Court was more important than individual state laws). Again in 2009, at the inauguration, we were scolded for being hurt and outraged at Obama's inclusion of the rabid homophobe Rick Warren on the inaugural stage. Many of us were so sickened by it that we could not celebrate something we had dreamed of and worked so hard for - the first black president. Because rather than celebrate the umbrella that put him in office, Obama (and many on DU) told us to shut up, sit down, and wait our turn.
So while I agree that we need solidarity - and we need to expand the pie (rather than fighting for the ever smaller slivers we are given). It is critical that we acknowledge our shameful history on that front so we don't repeat it.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)and the movement towards human liberation would move that much faster.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)If they knew themselves, they would understand that they hate themselves and hate their lives, and this is why they project so much hatred onto others.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)erronis
(15,170 posts)It's very hard to be a total zealot about anything if you allow yourself to question the underpinnings of the belief.
dlk
(11,509 posts)...will not spread disinformation to maintain their stranglehold on this countrys wealth. As they have shown, they are capable of anything.
paleotn
(17,876 posts)And I read the article in its entirety this morning. Apparently the evidence shows that white women, particularly in the south, could and can be just as racist as their male counterparts. Trust me. I've seen that first hand, thank you very much. That's not divide and conquer. That's simply the truth. Seeking truth in the past isn't in and of itself a tactic of divide and conquer. It's just seeking truth wherever it might lead. Sometimes to very uncomfortable places, but that's fine. It's the truth that matters. Personally, I like truth far more than reading more into something then is actually there.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)fountainofyouth
(409 posts)Are you a black American? If not, there's a rich irony for enjoining us all to be in "solidarity" while criticizing a black author for trying to present a history that doesn't gloss over race in the narrative of progress. The author's point was that any idea of women's solidarity went by the wayside when white women pushed for the franchise but left black women out.
ffr
(22,665 posts)Solidarity!
FakeNoose
(32,555 posts)All Roger Stone wannabe's
randr
(12,409 posts)Until then we will be vulnerable to be divided by people who do not have a care for ending racism.
Forgiveness and compassion must be part of who we are!
We must find a way to accept honest change in people and to hold those who are incapable of change to as high a bar as we hold ourselves.
El Shaman
(583 posts)all his ilk/kin were the new immigrants, 20th-21st. Century to this great country of ours.
The Cosa Nuestra blazed the trail for the Germanic mix/races.
Only the white privilege ($$$$$) was to their advantage . TY.
Why are all whites pt Cherokee ???
I wonder, how we lost it.
????
still_one
(92,060 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,956 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)One thing I have to say for the NYT, they are not afraid of political debate. I seriously did not expect them to post a response that started with "Sorry, but I have to interject a little Marxism here." Glad to see that the Times is not afraid of the M word. Or the C word (class) or the W word (workers).
I realize that the author may not be aware of the political time bomb upon which he tread. This was probably written weeks ago. Just his bad luck that a certain story got wide media play this weekend.
Still recommend Angela Davis's "Women, Race and Class" as the best analysis of the issue. From a Marxist perspective.
still_one
(92,060 posts)African-American women dealt not only with sexism of not being able to vote, but also the racism of white suffragists. That changed as time went on, but it was a fact through the 19th century, and up until the Civil Rights Movement in the 20th century when things started to change.
As far as you wanting to bring marxism into dialog, I will simply say, we disagree
ismnotwasm
(41,956 posts)Just no.
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)It's not by the editorial board and the columnist makes legitimate points. You are entitled to your opinion but in my opinion, you're way off the mark.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The narrow focus of this article merely illustrates part of that. And those determined to strip us all of power to stop them will continue to further the winning tactic of divide and conquer until and if they are able to get enough power to disenfranchise everyone.
If they succeed, it will only be because we did wrong and failed to stand strong. And if they succeed we will have a whole new equality regardless of color, but not the kind we wanted.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Acknowledging this historical truth is not "divide and conquer", no matter how uncomfortable the facts may make some white people.
An example: women were first granted the right to vote in the United States in Wyoming Territory in 1869. The bill was introduced by one William H. Bright (who, incidentally, is my 4th great-uncle - his sister was my great-great-great-grandmother); Bright was a staunch Democrat, and was opposed to the granting of the right to vote to newly-freed slaves; part of his reasoning for his women's suffrage bill was that if black men, who he regarded as inferior, should be allowed to vote, then so too should white women: https://www.wyohistory.org/encyclopedia/right-choice-wrong-reasons-wyoming-women-win-right-vote
The League of Women Voters, at least, acknowledges this uncomfortable history:
https://www.lwv.org/blog/facing-hard-truths-about-leagues-origin