Read this comment on my local paper site from a republican

[proud2BlibKansan]

JoCoElephant

Must agree with the Star on this one. The Radical Right was able to keep abortion in the closet during the 2010 campaign, saying that 'fiscal issues' were more important. This gave rise to the Tea Party who were all along Pro-Life disciples.

Now, it's out finally, as many of us assumed, but dreaded, that it would be. Now, when the fiscal crisis is even worse, now that we need smart men and women in Congress to get us out of the hands of this bumbler Obama, it rears its ugly head. But it was there all along.

It was the elephant in the room that the elephant party tried its best to ignore, yet pacify. Above all else, take its money and lots of it. Truly a Faustian choice.

Now the GOP must make a choice. Are we the party that is anti-women or not? Can we as a party accept that we may, in fact lose this election because we sold out to the radical, vocal minority that has too much money behind it, but not a large enough constituency to sway a General Election? Regardless of the successes in dominating primaries with a rather passive party membership?

Perhaps we should be thankful it's come to this. Perhaps this will allow good people with reasonable hearts to repudiate the thinking that asks us to believe that every conceived fetus is a gift from God. Not just the result of our evolution as a race that has nearly over-populated the earth. The kind of thinking that condemns a woman to give birth to a child that is hated from the moment of conception due to rape, incest or genetic defect.

Can we even hope that logic and reason, along with kindness and compassion toward women will return to our party? I doubt it. Too much money to be made hating.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/21/3772552/the-stars-editorial-gop-cant-avoid.html#storylink=cpy

[cr8tvlde]

1. Wow.

[abelenkpe]

2. K & R

[Care Acutely]

3. Whoah.

[justabob]

4. s/he gets it

I am glad to see that. I know they are out there. I hope that more of them raise their voices like this person has. It is a vocal minority demanding this anti-women crap and related hates. Not that I want a stronger GOP, but it would be very nice indeed to return to the realm of sanity.

[AllyCat]

6. I don't think the author gets it at all. Obama is not a bumbler

These morons will vote for Romney in the end. Because they are chicken$hits. And probably racists.

[justabob]

7. true, and he probably will still vote for Romney

I was more interested in/focused on the clarity of the choice faced by the GOP regarding women. Nothing more. I don't expect this guy to change his vote, or cheer Obama on... he's a republican, but I appreciate that anyone in the GOP is voicing the fact that hating on women is ultimately a dead end for the party. I don't care if the GOP survives or not, but I do care that women get a break in this bullshit and craziness. If more of them speak up we may slow and possibly beat back the war on women. That is all I was responding to.

[AllyCat]

11. True. I do see your point. Some of them get it and will try to get others to see it...

...then they will vote for Romney.

Peace

[justabob]

19. not all of them

I don't expect long time republicans to turn around and vote for Obama just because they think the GOP has gone too extreme. Some will, but more likely they will just sit out this election.

[xxenderwigginxx]

9. So long and thanks for all the fish

"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see...."
"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"
"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford. "It is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in."

[Larkspur]

5. Interesting ltte but she/he calls Obama a bumbler while letter Dubya off the hook

and the obstructionist Republicans in Congress, whose primary goal was to make conditions ripe for Obama to be a 1 term President. Not all those Republicans were Tea Party crazies. Mitch McConnell isn't a Tea Party Repub, yet he's the leading partisan hack for the GOP.

[Egalitarian Thug]

8. So we are supposed to take solace from the fact that some KC fascists are bright enough

to realize that you can't sell fascism without soft pedaling the whole fascist thing?

[hay rick]

10. Good news, ok news, bad news.

The good news: he gets the stupidity and viciousness of the extreme "pro-life" rhetoric in the Republican party.
The ok news: he's figured out that Obama has been ineffectual in his constrained use of fiscal policy.
The bad news: he hasn't figured out that the Republican fiscal alternatives would be catastrophically worse.

[mechtech]

12. Irony Meter

The party that believes so much in the sanctity of life that rape and incest and a woman's health are not reasons enough to allow an abortion, is also the party that believes in cutting funding for womens health care, cutting funding for food stamps and assistance for poor and hungry children, cutting health care for poor families, cutting education assistance etc.
Also the party that has no problem flooding the country with guns and assault weapons that kill 10,000 Americans each year, and the party that has no problem invading other countries and killing many thousands of innocent civilians...
GOP please tell me more about the sanctity of life.

[freshwest]

13. +1,000. You win the thread. Welcome to DU.

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[hfojvt]

15. I see irony the other way

This statement

"Can we even hope that logic and reason, along with kindness and compassion toward women will return to our party? I doubt it. Too much money to be made hating."

having followed by this one

"a child that is hated from the moment of conception due to rape, incest or genetic defect."

I am pro choice, but I hate (ha) to think of people making their choices based on hatred in their heart for their own child.

[freshwest]

16. I'd say that was the definition of Charles Manson's mother.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_manson#Childhood

I read an thouught-provoking story of a Christian parents, who during pregnancy found she would be born with Down's Syndrome. They already had several children. The doctor informed them the child needed a commitment to her care for the rest of her life, beyond the life of the parents.

The parents had a meeting with their children and explained they were making a choice that might affect their lives as well. They were undecided about terminating the pregnancy. There is more than one way of looking at this situation, not all Christians are fundies.

The mother told them if they ended the pregnancy, that the child would go to be with God sooner rather than later and what did they think. The children thought it over and said they would commit to taking care of their baby sister for life.

That story struck me because it didn't present the body as being all there was, but an eternal soul that would survive whether in the body or not, which fits some Christian beliefs. Others feel that the child not being born into a physical body is being denied everything, which is a somewhat materialist viewpoint. But not everyone does.

That is not always the case that such decisions are made with a happy outcome. And the cutting away of Medicaid, food stamps and assisted housing and the like, are the lifeline for many of these people. And some people do not have extended families that agree to care for these children, especially if they have multiple disabilities or the family is older.

Things are not how they are shown on television shows where disabled children and families live happily ever after. There can be marital breakups, physical and sexual abuse, poverty and people pushed to the breaking point and being shunned.

Some end up in care and live the rest of their lives with good caregivers. Some end up situations the humane society would not permit a dog to live in, terrorized in their childish mental condition until they lose their sanity, abused in every concievable manner.

Those who are not undergoing these situations, not personally responsible should not be making decisions for other people. Although we hate to admit with our desire for a happy ending, the strongest love isn't always enough to work these things out.

[truebluegreen]

20. Who in their right mind

would ask CHILDREN to make that choice? There are reasons parents are in charge, not kids--what do they know about life, and how hard it can be?

....oh,wait. I answered my own question.

[freshwest]

21. It is a generational responsibility; and those were not little children. I should have added that.

I've known parents of severely disabled children who asked their adult children if they would sign on to be guardians of their brothers and sisters. Often times, they do not feel they want that responsibility until their own deaths or the death of their sibling. And some people need someone to take on that duty.

But I posted that because the question is being asked about a person not agreeing to bring that life into the world, knowing that the child will be disabled. The poster had questioned that choice.

Different beliefs affect people. But in all cases, flesh and blood will bear the consequences and it is not the right of these politicians or religions to force it on anyone. Because when it's all said and done and the situation is life long all those smiling faces will not be there to help; they are not there right now. They get tired of their charity cases and toss them aside. And the consequences I've seen can be horrific.

The Libertarian view of getting rid of all social services and letting the all powerful family and church take over, over some principle they claim to uphold, does not work in the real world. I know a lot of Democrats who do face this real world with compassion.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. +1

Welcome to DU

[DainBramaged]

18. wow

well said

[DallasNE]

14. This Guy Was Sleepwalking In 2010-2011?

The 2010 election was all about abortion, it is just that it was in code. HR-3 was the personhood bill and the low number shows it was viewed as the 3rd most important bill. Also, just look at the charts that track the number of bills each session on a given subject and abortion bill spikes by something like 400% in 2011. And did he not follow what has happened in Virginia in the last year on vaginal probes?

It is the primary reason Romney is trailing Obama by 9-15 points with women, depending on the poll, even before this story broke. But if this woke him up from his sleepwalk I will simply say that it is about time -- even if he raped the truth in arriving at that conclusion.