AP says Romney's "factully inaccurate"! In other words. he's lying.

[edhopper]

Last edited Wed Aug 22, 2012, 06:00 PM - Edit history (1)

The MSM actually has said that what he is saying just isn't true. No he said/she said. No equivocation.
Just the truth that Romney is lying. Maybe there is hope yet.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ROMNEY_WELFARE_STRATEGY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-22-03-10-56

MIDLAND, Texas (AP) -- Mitt Romney claims he's got a winner with his criticism that President Barack Obama is giving welfare recipients a free ride. Never mind that aspects of his argument against the Democrat are factually inaccurate.


Can the gramer police now discuss the significance of the this instead of my word choice?

[reformist2]

1. They have been pretty good about slapping Romney down on this one.

[rgbecker]

2. Actually, AP, like the rest of the Media, cannot bring themselves to calling it "a lie".

"Numerous independent fact-checkers, including The Associated Press, have determined that Romney and his surrogates are distorting the facts."

"Never mind that aspects of his argument against the Democrat are factually inaccurate."

"But the campaign offers little evidence to back up those assertions."

"And Romney runs the risk of denting his credibility with voters by peddling an argument that has been widely debunked."


Apparently, "Lie" is not the the AP's dictionary.

[Flashmann]

3. To anyone possessing an IQ

Higher than mid double digits,"factually inaccurate",should mean LIE....

[shawn703]

4. There's the rub

Since obviously a large percentage of Romney's supporters aren't 1%ers and are voting against their own best interests. I would imagine the IQs of most of the people who vote against their own best interests could not be higher than mid double digits, and do not understand that Romney is lying from that statement.

[INdemo]

12. Agreed..but the ones that vote against their best interests just want a confirmation

by someone or something to back up what they want to believe...In other words these people just want a reason for them not to vote for President Obama. Their mindset is still in the 50's and they refuse to admit it.

[edhopper]

6. Because that is how

journalist write. Always have. They are saying it is untrue. When did you see the press say something Bush or Chenney said was untrue?

[progressoid]

15. Yep - they just can't bring themselves to say it.

[Smilo]

17. Factually inaccurate

is not in the official Texas School Board of Education's vocabulary - those are two big words that many on the right will stumble on.

[RBInMaine]

5. MittTwit RobMe: the LIAR IN CHIEF. (What else is new? He doesn't know how to tell the truth.)

[edhopper]

7. What is new

is a prominent News Company saying he is.

[lpbk2713]

8. Where is Joe Wilson when he is needed so badly?

... just like a rethuglican to not show up when they are needed.

[DeeDeeNY]

16. Good one!

[Ganja Ninja]

9. Yes but will they call it a lie tomorrow when he repeats it.

Will they confront him on it? Will they stop him every time repeats it and point it out?

[tuvor]

10. Ugh, misplaced quotation marks... n/t

[2pooped2pop]

23. way to get the point of the message

or are you here to grade papers?

[tuvor]

26. No, I was here to see the word "lie" used in an AP article as per the OP's original subject line.

And, to my disappointment, it wasn't there.

I'm not about to take crap for insisting that proper punctuation can be important.

[2pooped2pop]

29. let's say it's important to you

on a forum such as this, I feel that constant pointing out of minor punctuation or spelling errors, is off topic, unimportant and ridicules the poster needlessly.

These are not the days of the formal letter. People type fast. Errors are made. Keys stick. And even if the errors are made from ignorance, so what? It's the message not the spelling that we gather to read.

[TahitiNut]

11. I regard "factually inaccurate" as a dodgy euphemism, and NOT the more direct and honest "lie."

The fact of the matter is that when a claim is shown (to the claimant) to be contrary to the facts and the claimant then repeats the claim, it is a LIE ... and no quibble or euphemism need be sought. The ethical hesitation in using the term "LIE" is in whether the claimant KNEW the claim to be false. Once informed, there need be no hesitation.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

28. Decorum, by dear TahitiNut, we must have decorum...

Except here at DU, where any-fucking-thing goes....

But seriously, journalists must say "factually inaccurate" as a descriptor, but they can report that OTHERS are calling it a lie.

[magical thyme]

13. your op title is not factually correct.

The word "lie" does not appear anywhere in the linked article.

Your punctuation in the title is also incorrect, as well as misleading by attempting to make the word lie appear as a quotation.

[edhopper]

22. Let's dwell on my grammer

rather than the significance of a major media outlet calling out a Presidential candidate on a falsehood, shall we.

[2pooped2pop]

24. way to get the point

or are you here to grade papers too?

[magical thyme]

25. the msm has been calling out a surprising number of untruths in recent weeks

so at least some of us jumped into the OP and linked to the attached article in the mistaken belief that this time they had actually called the lies "lies." Only to find that they had not used the "lie" word.

Hence so many grammar police in this thread.

The actual use of the word "lie" would mark a significant turning point in the usual discourse. You may not have noticed that it has only been used officially once, by the bonehead that shouted "You lie!" at Obama during his first State of the Union.

And thank you for changing the title of the thread.

[yardwork]

14. Watch out. This racist appeal is going to be the foundation of Romney's campaign.

This is straight out of the Jesse Helms playbook. Accuse your competitor of "coddling welfare cheats" - it's not even a dog whistle, it is straight-up racism. Jesse Helms won over and over again in North Carolina with these kinds of lies. Watch out for Romney - he will say this a lot. Ads bought by shadowy corporate PACs will say it for him.

This is going to the ugliest, most racist presidential campaign we've seen in our lifetimes. I'm certain of it.

[Smilo]

18. Someone on HuffPo in response to this article quoted "Lying for the Lord"

so I looked it up, and found this.

Lying for the Lord
http://www.mormonwiki.org/Lying_for_the_Lord

One Mormon blogger writes, "When I was a missionary, the church’s official Missionary Guide instructed missionaries to avoid providing direct answers or solutions to investigators' questions or concerns.” On his mission, he "fell back on rhetorical tricks or even outright denials."
"What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers. I labored with these apostates myself until I was out of all manner of patience." - Joseph Smith [1]
"A half-truth presented as the whole truth is a complete untruth." - J.I. Packer[2]
"Even sharing the truth can have the effect of lying when we tell only half-truths that do not give the full picture. We can also be guilty of bearing false witness and lying if we say nothing, particularly if we allow another to reach a wrong conclusion while we hold back information that would have led to a more accurate perception. In this case it is as though an actual lie were uttered." - Robert J. Matthews[3]
"In matters of honesty, there are no shortcuts; no little white lies, or big black lies, only the simple, honest truth spoken in total candor... Being true is different than being honest.” - Gordon B. Hinckley[4]

Lying for the Lord refers to the practice of lying to protect the image of and belief in the Mormon religion, a practice which Mormonism itself fosters in various ways. From Joseph Smith's denial of having more than one wife, to polygamous Mormon missionaries telling European investigators that reports about polygamy in Utah were lies put out by "anti-Mormons" and disgruntled ex-members, to Gordon B. Hinckley's dishonest equivocation on national television over Mormon doctrine, Mormonism's history seems replete with examples of lying. Common members see such examples as situations where lying is justified. For the Mormon, loyalty and the welfare of the church are more important than the principle of honesty, and plausible denials and deception by omission are warranted by an opportunity to have the Mormon organization seen in the best possible light. This is part of the larger package of things that lead many to describe Mormonism as a cult. "Lying for the lord" is part of Mormonism's larger deceptive mainstreaming tactics, and conversion numbers would drastically lower if important Mormon beliefs were fully disclosed to investigators.

[Doctor_J]

19. Where?

That except you posted doesn't contain the word lie.

[cthulu2016]

20. No, they do not say it is a lie

[DallasNE]

21. Everything About The Romney Campaign

Has degraded into dog whistle politics to remind white males over 35 that we have a black President that isn't one of them. Think not, then examine yesterday's NBC/WSJ poll that showed Romney with 0% of the black vote, a 2-1 disadvantage with Hispanic voters, a 51-41 deficit with women and an even bigger deficit with those under 35 yet has only a 4-point deficit with all voters. The only group not identified is white males over 35 and from Romney to only have a 4-point deficit overall would mean that he would have to have a 70-25 lead with them. Romney obviously thinks he can pull even more voters from that group, hence all dog whistle politics all the time and not too subtle at that -- otherwise they might not hear that dog whistle.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

27. The Wonders of the Intertubes....

The other name for "Mainstream Media" is "Corporate Media" and because this particular portion of the media is owned by corporations, they're under a certain amount of pressure to show a profit. Newspapers haven't been too profitable these days, and tradtional network newscasts aren't doing much better. Readers and viewers are flocking to the internet (and Jon Stewart) for their information.

It's becomine less and less tenable for the corporate media to blandly report the candidates' lies without calling them on it. The "he said/she said" brand of political journalism is as boring as it is misleading. Factcheck.org and Politifact.com are simply eating the media's lunch with viewers/readers who demand quality information. And online outlets like Salon, DailyKos, and Huffington Post are providing information and user interaction that simply can't be found in traditional media.

How do these media conglomerates combat this threat to their bottom line? The corporations simply can't co-opt the internet -- sites like these (and, of course, Democratic Underground) can be cobbled together by any reasonably tech-savvy entrepreneur and be online in a matter of hours. Their best and least expensive recourse is to start providing the same type of journalism that they used to provide, but is now being provided by others.

All of which is a long-winded way of saying, "If you can't beat them, join them."