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Senator Kamala Harris: Fairfax Accuser's Letter 'Reads As Credible' (Original Post) Yosemito Feb 2019 OP
I've stayed out of this discussion matt819 Feb 2019 #1
I agree with her. nt LexVegas Feb 2019 #2
Didn't the Washington Post investigate NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #3
only because there were only the 2 of them in the room questionseverything Feb 2019 #4
Being wrong about WaPo doesn't mean he lied Yosemito Feb 2019 #5
wether he misspoke,lied,misrepresented....he was not accurate in his first press conference about questionseverything Feb 2019 #6
He hasn't sued a whole 4 days after the claim was first made public- Has she pressed charges yet? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #7
People on the right said the same thing about Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #10
Blasey Ford and Anita Hlll both had significantly more than Hortensis Feb 2019 #12
Read her statement Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #13
Yes, but they were wrong. Anita Hill never alleged Thomas committed a crime and the statute of EffieBlack Feb 2019 #14
The problem is, we don't really know what the reporter said to him. pnwmom Feb 2019 #8
he might not of been delibrately lying but he was definately innaccurate questionseverything Feb 2019 #11
Yes -- the truth might be different from their perspectives. pnwmom Feb 2019 #15
all 3 of them bungled their responses but i feel their progressive policies are important enough questionseverything Feb 2019 #17
I think her letter reads credible. Now just need some evidence to ooky Feb 2019 #9
Yes! peggysue2 Feb 2019 #16

matt819

(10,749 posts)
1. I've stayed out of this discussion
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 04:52 PM
Feb 2019

And I'm sure my two cents are not welcome.

But I thought Fairfax's response read as credible.

I haven't listened to either of them, and that could be revealing.

I don't really care all that much about what's going on in Virginia. It mostly turns my stomach. But I can't help but think about how Al Franken was railroaded, and this is one instance that raises those alarm bells, and so it definitely warrants a very thorough investigation, though I don't know how much further than he said/she said this can get.

So, my two cents.

We live in very strange times.

questionseverything

(11,985 posts)
4. only because there were only the 2 of them in the room
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 05:35 PM
Feb 2019

it will difficult to prove either way but the lt gov did misrepresent why the post did not run the story

that doesn't help his credibility

 

Yosemito

(648 posts)
5. Being wrong about WaPo doesn't mean he lied
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 05:55 PM
Feb 2019

I've seen a few people claim that the test that Fairfax misrepresented WaPo means he probably raped her.

questionseverything

(11,985 posts)
6. wether he misspoke,lied,misrepresented....he was not accurate in his first press conference about
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:09 PM
Feb 2019

why the post didn't run the story

he admits the sex happened, his claim is it was consensual

my inclination is to believe the woman


she says it was forced

but even if we look at the story from his point of view, they were kissing and all the sudden she decides to preform oral sex on him?

I personally don't buy that but that could say more about me than I would like to admit

he also said he was gonna sue for defamation...has that lawsuit been filed?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
7. He hasn't sued a whole 4 days after the claim was first made public- Has she pressed charges yet?
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:14 PM
Feb 2019

She's had 14 years and 7 months to do it.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Blasey Ford and Anita Hlll both had significantly more than
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:36 PM
Feb 2019

stories that "sounded credible," Ocalypse. They had people they told about it, and they also had senates refusing to interview their witnesses, and in Hill's case other claimants, in common.

Credible of course means she's not ruled out by her own story. Critically important start, but...

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
13. Read her statement
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:38 PM
Feb 2019

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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
14. Yes, but they were wrong. Anita Hill never alleged Thomas committed a crime and the statute of
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:39 PM
Feb 2019

limitations had run decades before Professor Ford first came forward. So there was no way for either of them to file charges.

On the other hand, the statute of limitations hasn't yet run for Dr. Tyson and she can still press charges against Fairfax. If she's willing to come forward and issue a statement, why not press charges with the State of Massachusetts and let the police conduct an investigation? It's odd that she didn't do that before going to the Washington Post with her story, but she may have had her reasons. But what's stopping her from doing it now?

pnwmom

(110,324 posts)
8. The problem is, we don't really know what the reporter said to him.
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:18 PM
Feb 2019

The reporter might have said something about not being able to corroborate her accusations that he interpreted as a stronger statement than the reporter intended it to be.

So he might not have been deliberately lying about why the story didn't go forward.

questionseverything

(11,985 posts)
11. he might not of been delibrately lying but he was definately innaccurate
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:33 PM
Feb 2019

I fully admit I am preconditioned to believe the woman

but it is possible that they were both telling the truth, from their own perspective

her truth is easy to understand so I won't bother explaining that but

from his perspective, he could of felt, he was powerful and manly, too wrapped up in his own pleasure to actually consider her feelings at all....that he was simply mistaken about her consent

medicaid expansion is such a HUGE deal,progressive policys so important i could forgive all 3, they just need to admit fault, beg for forgiveness and battle this out during future primaries

pnwmom

(110,324 posts)
15. Yes -- the truth might be different from their perspectives.
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:41 PM
Feb 2019

Unfortunately, she might have been screaming INTERNALLY about not wanting to do it -- a not unlikely reaction for someone who was, as a child, sexually assaulted by her father (who went to prison for incest and molestation). And he might have been oblivious to her true feelings about what they were doing.

And now she remembers how much she didn't want to do it, and he can't remember any resistance on her part.

Or that's one possibility, anyway. I'll feel differently if other women come forward, and this turns out to be a pattern for him.

questionseverything

(11,985 posts)
17. all 3 of them bungled their responses but i feel their progressive policies are important enough
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:55 PM
Feb 2019

that they all 3 deserve another chance

ooky

(11,062 posts)
9. I think her letter reads credible. Now just need some evidence to
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:29 PM
Feb 2019

help prove it.

I think his letter reads credible too. Let the investigation begin.

peggysue2

(12,600 posts)
16. Yes!
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:45 PM
Feb 2019

We have two credible people with impressive biographies and backgrounds claiming 2 different things about a sexual incident that only they have knowledge of--a classic he said/she said. Unless other evidence arises to tip the scale and/or testimony is given under oath by which to judge both stories, we're still on Square 1: an allegation and a denial.

None of this is easy.

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