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Supreme Court blocks anti-abortion law 5-4 (Original Post) EffieBlack Feb 2019 OP
Because he has some thought for his legacy, Roberts has become something of a swing vote. nt tblue37 Feb 2019 #1
maybe he will turn out to be the surprise demtenjeep Feb 2019 #2
Exactly! EffieBlack Feb 2019 #6
... mcar Feb 2019 #3
Holy poop! theboss Feb 2019 #4
Roe v Wade is established law FakeNoose Feb 2019 #5
That's not what Think Progress thinks: superpatriotman Feb 2019 #10
Unfortunate... Deuce Feb 2019 #18
We cannot afford to let Trump get reelected standingtall Feb 2019 #7
He is worried about precedent. roamer65 Feb 2019 #8
Or he is worried about not keeping the issue alive exboyfil Feb 2019 #12
Wow! Control-Z Feb 2019 #9
How awful! I'm so sorry! EffieBlack Feb 2019 #11
Thank you, Effie, Control-Z Feb 2019 #31
Rest in power, Gerri Santoro! appal_jack Feb 2019 #13
That's all it takes to honor her memory. Control-Z Feb 2019 #32
You have borne too much already! appal_jack Feb 2019 #37
What a lovely reply, app. Control-Z Feb 2019 #40
I'm so sorry for your family, Control-Z. brer cat Feb 2019 #14
Thank you, cat. eom Control-Z Feb 2019 #33
Wow. I'm so sorry. DangerousRhythm Feb 2019 #17
Thanks, DR. It's so strange, Control-Z Feb 2019 #36
So sorry about your mom. panader0 Feb 2019 #25
Thank you, panader0. Control-Z Feb 2019 #38
... JHan Feb 2019 #35
Thank you, JHan. eom Control-Z Feb 2019 #39
Roberts is in a tough spot. He now has to be the deciding vote on Hassler Feb 2019 #15
You know this how? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #21
Roberts is on record saying roe v wade is a setted law AlexSFCA Feb 2019 #16
How does Roberts handle the fact exboyfil Feb 2019 #19
He wasn't EffieBlack Feb 2019 #22
Four plus Kennedy exboyfil Feb 2019 #24
So is Kavanaugh EffieBlack Feb 2019 #20
Wonder he wanted to go boofing The Truth Is Here Feb 2019 #29
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Feb 2019 #23
This is why those who pushed the LIE that the SC didin't matter in 2016, can go F**k themselves still_one Feb 2019 #26
tRump pissed him off with that comment about judges being partial to presidents. PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #27
Trump has done himself no favors with Roberts EffieBlack Feb 2019 #28
I'm with ya... PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #30
It has come down to Roberts being our best hope book_worm Feb 2019 #34

tblue37

(68,423 posts)
1. Because he has some thought for his legacy, Roberts has become something of a swing vote. nt
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 10:59 PM
Feb 2019
 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
6. Exactly!
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 11:03 PM
Feb 2019

I’m no fan of Roberts - not even close - but I do think he’s an essentially decent person who cares about the Court. And I can’t imagine that he wants the Court to turn into a Trump dump on his watch.

AND I think Trump did himself no favors giving that hot mess of a SOTU speech right in Roberts’ face. What jurist in their right mind would want to be associated, even remotely, with that?

FakeNoose

(41,524 posts)
5. Roe v Wade is established law
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 11:03 PM
Feb 2019

They can't have a do over. Thank the good Lord that Chief Justice Roberts cares what happens to this country!


standingtall

(3,148 posts)
7. We cannot afford to let Trump get reelected
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 11:03 PM
Feb 2019

because if he does and we don't flip the Senate. Guess what is going to happen? Whoever runs against Susan Collins needs to constantly remind people she voted for 2 supreme court justices that have went on to vote in favor of anti-abortion laws.

roamer65

(37,945 posts)
8. He is worried about precedent.
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 11:04 PM
Feb 2019

He knows the chaos overturning Roe v Wade will bring and he doesn’t want it as his legacy.

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
12. Or he is worried about not keeping the issue alive
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 11:26 PM
Feb 2019

for the next election. I always thought that was his reason for his ACA decision.

Of course he pro-corporate decision that puts money into the pockets of the oligarchy will happily go the "right" way.

Control-Z

(15,686 posts)
9. Wow!
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 11:10 PM
Feb 2019

I hope this is the beginning of a trend.

Since Kavanaugh's confirmation I've been thinking my mother's death and the hell our family's been through may have meant nothing.

This gives me hope.

(Mom died from an abortion back in the day and her death scene photo became public. She's the beautiful woman in my sigline.)

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
13. Rest in power, Gerri Santoro!
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 11:36 PM
Feb 2019

I will think of her as I am supporting choice and reproductive freedom at every opportunity.

k&r,

-app

Control-Z

(15,686 posts)
32. That's all it takes to honor her memory.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:45 PM
Feb 2019

Thank you, appal_jack. Supporting choice and remembering all the women who died this way - there were so many before Roe. Most aren't known the way my mother is but that's the only difference. They all suffered the same tragic, needless death and their family and friends had to go on without them.

I really haven't been doing my part lately. It's time I renewed my own efforts.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
37. You have borne too much already!
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:09 PM
Feb 2019

The photo of the death scene is viscerally painful (and yet also so important) to face and see, and I not a relative or direct friend (though now that you and I are conversing, Control-Z, I consider her a friend in spirit).

I can only imagine the pain you have carried, and thank you for the work you have done to honor her memory and the freedoms that ensure women do not face these risks again.

to you, Control-Z. Take care of yourself, because doing so honors your mother in important ways as well,

-app

Control-Z

(15,686 posts)
40. What a lovely reply, app.
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 07:29 PM
Feb 2019

Honestly, I'm touched. You have reminded how the photo has worked over the years. It has actually changed a few minds. And it brings together like minded people who care about women.

I've been putting off an email regarding my mom for far too long. I'm going to try and take care of that in the coming week.

Thank you, again, for reminding me how important it is and for your compassionate note here.

DangerousRhythm

(2,916 posts)
17. Wow. I'm so sorry.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:59 AM
Feb 2019

I remember seeing that photo a couple of decades ago, online, and my heart goes out to you and your family.

I, too, hope Roberts will become more of a swing vote on such important issues. We need someone to counteract the poison this disgrace has injected into the Supreme Court.

Control-Z

(15,686 posts)
36. Thanks, DR. It's so strange,
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:09 PM
Feb 2019

strangers saw that photo of my mom before I even knew how she had died. There were so many lies back then, and shame. It hasn't changed as much as it should because the anti-choice won't let it.

Roberts has surprised me starting with the ACA. I've watched him since the day he was confirmed and he is not what I expected. I thought Roe was seeing its last days. I hope he turns out to be the swing vote he appears to be.

Control-Z

(15,686 posts)
38. Thank you, panader0.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:42 PM
Feb 2019

Yes, she was so young. I have a daughter who is a few years older than she was - which really puts things into perspective.

Hassler

(4,918 posts)
15. Roberts is in a tough spot. He now has to be the deciding vote on
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:39 AM
Feb 2019

Everything. So the compromise he's worked out is to uphold abortion rights so he can also give the gun humpers and corporations whatever they want.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
22. He wasn't
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 09:34 AM
Feb 2019

He voted with the liberal wing then, too. Kennedy also voted with them, so the decision was 5-3

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
24. Four plus Kennedy
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 09:37 AM
Feb 2019

Roberts was one of the three that dissented.


https://www.statesman.com/NEWS/20160915/Supreme-Court-strikes-down-Texas-abortion-regulations

The court’s conservative bloc — Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito — was opposed.

Writing in dissent, Thomas said the majority ruling “exemplifies the court’s troubling tendency to bend the rules when any effort to limit abortion, or even to speak in opposition to abortion, is at issue.”

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
26. This is why those who pushed the LIE that the SC didin't matter in 2016, can go F**k themselves
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 09:47 AM
Feb 2019

as far as I am concerned

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
27. tRump pissed him off with that comment about judges being partial to presidents.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 09:48 AM
Feb 2019

He didn't look happy to me at the SOTU at all. In fact he looked a little disgusted at what took place as he was leaving. I think Roberts is a fair man that leans right and he knows what tRump is and disapproves.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
28. Trump has done himself no favors with Roberts
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:16 AM
Feb 2019

I have a feeling Roberts doesn't want to be seen anywhere near him, literally or philosophically.

He probably feels the same way about Kavanaugh, although he must be cordial and collegial with him.

Can you imagine how horrified Roberts must have been watching that hot mess of his testimony and realizing he was going to be his colleague?

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
30. I'm with ya...
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:26 AM
Feb 2019

tRump and Kavanaugh are a disservice to government in Robert's view. I would have loved to seen Roberts when he was watching that outburst by Kavanaugh... I bet he would have tripped over his jaw if he stood up..

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