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former-republican

(2,163 posts)
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:31 PM Aug 2012

Who would be your combination for an ideal person for President?



Ron Paul's foreign policy views on non intervention and stop being the world police is spot on.
I'm sick of sending billions on foreign aid to countries that hate us. Frankly I'm sick of sending billions in foreign aid to any country. He would also bring our troops home.

Hillary Clinton , she would have pushed harder for a single payer health care system .
I don't think she would have compromised.

Bill Clinton , he had and has a good grasp of domestic economic issues .

That would be my choice. Put them together and you would have an ideal President .

What's your list?
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Who would be your combination for an ideal person for President? (Original Post) former-republican Aug 2012 OP
Kucinich, Obama and Carter with a healthy dollop of FDR nt Viva_La_Revolution Aug 2012 #1
Kucinich is a good call also. former-republican Aug 2012 #5
Viva! Indeed. +1 n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #17
oh boy.... jorno67 Aug 2012 #2
Watch for my post lower ... no one has said this one ... yet JoePhilly Aug 2012 #40
Barack Obama suits me just fine. Thanks. cbayer Aug 2012 #3
+1 JudyM Aug 2012 #6
+2 AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #11
best answer. Whisp Aug 2012 #18
well that's depressing Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #21
I really don't know what Obama will do in a 2nd term...hoping movonne Aug 2012 #28
Reaganism truly does triumph when we are at the point where a number of self-identified liberals Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #32
Great post! whatchamacallit Aug 2012 #39
+me cleduc Aug 2012 #29
Obama and Bill Clinton DrewFlorida Aug 2012 #4
I like Obama's honesty when he speaks and wouldn't want it diluted Whisp Aug 2012 #19
I agree, Obama is a fantastic President! DrewFlorida Aug 2012 #48
FDR, Elizabeth Warren, mixed with Truman's attitude DJ13 Aug 2012 #7
I'm good with that. Maybe a little Carter humility. Scuba Aug 2012 #10
Krugman's grasp of the economy, Hartmann's understanding of history... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #8
Sanders / Grayson B Calm Aug 2012 #9
I'd have to reach to the past for the most part. hifiguy Aug 2012 #12
LBJ on domestic policy - George McGovern on foreign policy Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #13
Pretty damned good combination. nt hifiguy Aug 2012 #38
Obama with a ruthless streak. Seriously, folks. DevonRex Aug 2012 #14
Rambama C_U_L8R Aug 2012 #15
lol former-republican Aug 2012 #22
General Butler, Paul Krugman, Thomas Jefferson, Eugene V. Debs., and Louis D. Brandeis. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #16
Abraham Lincoln quinnox Aug 2012 #20
I wouldn't either but if you take some of their views former-republican Aug 2012 #23
You didn't specify an office holder in the OP. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #24
No Contest - Obama's brain and LBJ's (we'll be polite and say guts) ! RagAss Aug 2012 #25
Someone to the left of FDR and Huey Long. nt Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #26
uggh. There are plenty of well rounded Dems who oppose all wars ecstatic Aug 2012 #27
I only used his stance on foreign policy not domestic. former-republican Aug 2012 #33
I know ecstatic Aug 2012 #46
? former-republican Aug 2012 #37
His name would be Teddy Grayson! n/t brewens Aug 2012 #30
Eugene Debs. All of him. Taverner Aug 2012 #31
George Clooney and Rachel Maddow. undeterred Aug 2012 #34
Rachel Maddow former-republican Aug 2012 #35
I think she could debate each of the canddiates ... and make them answer questions they JoePhilly Aug 2012 #42
That's why you will never see her as a moderator former-republican Aug 2012 #44
And honestly, Obama and Biden would not want to do this either ... JoePhilly Aug 2012 #47
Bernie Sanders and . . . ananda Aug 2012 #36
Jesus? JoePhilly Aug 2012 #41
+1 jorno67 Aug 2012 #45
Lucy Parsons (P) and Eugene V. Debs (VP). nt TBF Aug 2012 #43
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
18. best answer.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:51 PM
Aug 2012

besides, none of the three mentioned up there hold a candle to him.

sure Hillary could have got health care reform... IF
and I would be able to fly to the moon IF...

fact is, neither happened and will never.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
21. well that's depressing
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:55 PM
Aug 2012

Don't get me wrong - I support his reelection 10000000% - especially in light of the alternative. And I will do all can to insure he does win reelection. There is NO alternative. But if this is as good as it gets - moderately socially liberal - with economics slightly to the right of old style traditional Republicans and a foreign policy only slightly moderated from the second term (not the first term when the necons dominated) of the Bush Jr. Administration - well, if this is as good as it gets - I am glad I'm growing older and don't have that many more decades in this world.

movonne

(9,623 posts)
28. I really don't know what Obama will do in a 2nd term...hoping
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 02:21 PM
Aug 2012

he goes to the left more...there is something about Obama that I love...I also felt (maybe not as much as Obama) that way about Clinton...

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
32. Reaganism truly does triumph when we are at the point where a number of self-identified liberals
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 02:45 PM
Aug 2012

on one of the most liberal/left forums in America seriously have as their vision of utopia the Obama/Clinton agenda - center-left social issues/center right on economics and foreign policy. I can't imagine singing folk songs about that. Call me old fashioned and square, but back when I was young and thought about changing the world and rearranging the world I had in mind something a bit more radical than Nixonian Republicanism with a dash of social liberalism wrapped in feel good cliches and packaged in Madison Avenue patriotism.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
19. I like Obama's honesty when he speaks and wouldn't want it diluted
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:52 PM
Aug 2012

with clinton blabber.

Bill can talk the good talk but a lot of the time he doesn't really say anything. but it sounds good.

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
48. I agree, Obama is a fantastic President!
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 09:56 PM
Aug 2012

My inclusion of Clinton had to do with his power to persuade.
For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of our President in every way.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
8. Krugman's grasp of the economy, Hartmann's understanding of history...
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:40 PM
Aug 2012

... Bill Clinton's ability to connect with people and Obama's speaking ability.

... or Elizabeth Warren with a good speechwriting team.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
12. I'd have to reach to the past for the most part.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:41 PM
Aug 2012

The passion and empathy of RFK and George McGovern

The brains and cool-headedness of Obama or JFK

LBJ's grasp on domestic policy and willing to do whatever needed to be done to better the lot of the people

Jimmy Carter's foreign policy, his disastrous decision to let the monstrous Shit, err, Shah of Iran into the country aside

FDR's vision and ability to inspire the people to unite.

I'd settle for that.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
13. LBJ on domestic policy - George McGovern on foreign policy
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:46 PM
Aug 2012

Come to think of it George McGovern did pretty much have the same domestic policy as LBJ. So, really George McGovern with LBJ's political muscle.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
14. Obama with a ruthless streak. Seriously, folks.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:48 PM
Aug 2012

If the makeup of Congress doesn't change it's gonna take some stuff you probably don't want to know about to get anything done.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
22. lol
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:55 PM
Aug 2012


I just wish he had more of a nonintervention view with his foreign policy

I'm glad he hasn't made the mistake with letting Israel drag us into another war.
 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
20. Abraham Lincoln
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:54 PM
Aug 2012

I wouldn't put any president from the last 50 years as any part of what an ideal president would be. It has been one mediocrity after another.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
23. I wouldn't either but if you take some of their views
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 01:11 PM
Aug 2012

and combine them together.
Also it doesn't have to be a former President just someone who has held public office.
congressman , senator etc.

ecstatic

(35,135 posts)
27. uggh. There are plenty of well rounded Dems who oppose all wars
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 02:13 PM
Aug 2012

Perhaps in the future you could mention them instead of the one-dimensional Ron Paul who wasn't even man enough to comment on Akin's remarks. Is he afraid his comments about "honest rape" would resurface?

Yes, Paul's right about the wars but THAT'S IT. He wants to end everything from the Dept. of Education to Social Security to a woman's right to choose.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
33. I only used his stance on foreign policy not domestic.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 02:46 PM
Aug 2012

And it's not just war.
It's billions of dollars in aid and military weapons sent to countries.

If there are democrats in congress that always vote against that.
I am unaware of it.

Please list them

ecstatic

(35,135 posts)
46. I know
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 04:39 PM
Aug 2012

I just get irate when I see Paul's name mentioned in a positive context.

I can't tell you which ones vote against the military each time, but even if there are none, there are democrats who are not currently in office who are completely against wars and unnecessary military spending. Like Howard Dean, etc.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
37. ?
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:28 PM
Aug 2012

FACT CHECK: Pres. Obama INCREASED Military Aid to Israel in FY2013 Budget
NJDC — February 17, 2012 – 1:07 pm | Barack Obama | Budget | Election 2012 | GOP Hypocrisies | Israel Comments (0) Add a comment


FACT CHECK: President Barack Obama has increased foreign military assistance to Israel in his FY2013 budget request. (Follow links to page 172 of the State Department’s FY2013 budget report, showing a $25 million overall year-to-year increase in the White House foreign military assistance budget request.)

The National Jewish Democratic Council (NJDC) responded today to the Republican Jewish Coalition’s latest divisive effort to use Israel as a partisan wedge issue during this election year. Following a report in Politico that the Jewish Republican group has released a web video attacking President Barack Obama surrounding his record-setting foreign military assistance budget request for Israel, NJDC President and CEO David A. Harris commented:

“The National Jewish Democratic Council applauds this increased, largest-ever military assistance requested for Israel under President Barack Obama—made all the more significant against the backdrop of a difficult budgetary climate. This is yet another example of how President Obama continues to stand with Israel, time and time again.

“We are truly through the looking glass here; only those with the most partisan, facts-be-damned agenda would view the largest military assistance package for any foreign country in history at a difficult budgetary time as anything but a powerful way of supporting our closest ally, Israel. The hypocrisy here is astonishing; the simple fact is that the overall budget request for military assistance to Israel is increasing. Further, as has been reported by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, the missile defense funding previously requested by President George W. Bush for Israel needed to routinely be dramatically increased—and even doubled in 2003—by Congress. This was met with deafening silence on the part of Jewish Republicans, and by us as well, as this was hardly an indicator that President Bush was no friend of Israel.

“These Republicans continue to play a dangerous game with Israel’s security through such antics. By suggesting anything but the truth—that this Administration has dramatically strengthened Israel’s military capabilities—such tactics as these dreadful videos can incorrectly suggest to the Iranian leadership that now is the time to become even more belligerent against a supposedly weakened Israel. Here we have Republicans sadly placing partisanship above Israel’s safety and security—and placing politics above the rich tradition of bipartisan support for a strong U.S.-Israel relationship.

“This is the President who initiated the building of the Iron Dome missile defense shield over Israel and secured the funding to make it a reality, protecting the lives of Israelis on a daily basis today. One thing is certain here;

President Obama will ensure that Israel gets every dollar it needs
for missile defense

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
35. Rachel Maddow
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:01 PM
Aug 2012

She needs to be a moderator in every single debate.

Now that would be some debates worth watching.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
42. I think she could debate each of the canddiates ... and make them answer questions they
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 04:01 PM
Aug 2012

don't want to answer.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
44. That's why you will never see her as a moderator
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 04:13 PM
Aug 2012

Can you imagine Ryan and Romney standing on stage with Rachel as the moderator.
Not letting them use the typical talking points that other moderators let them get away with.

We could sell ticket to a debate like that.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
47. And honestly, Obama and Biden would not want to do this either ...
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 04:56 PM
Aug 2012

She would dog them too.

And then the rest of the media would praise how well Romney and Ryan did, and scream that either Obama and Biden failed, or that Rachel did not hit them hard enough.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
41. Jesus?
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 04:00 PM
Aug 2012

Clearly a liberal, probably a socialist, healthcare advocate, not a fan of the money changers, or the self-righteous ... and the ability to turn water into wine.

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