Back in the good old days on DU it was easier to out the Right wingers

[Homer12]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Stinky The Clown (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Now it has become more difficult. They upped their game

I posted this as a test, because I know that in order to get reactionaries to bite, you need to give them a tasty treat.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117263794
I posted this "I wonder if gun Nuts & 2nd Adm Absolutest have brains to figure out why people are scared of them"

If you take it apart you notice that I specifically point out 'Gun Nuts" meaning people who are obsessive about guns and 2nd "Amendment absolutists", those who are against all types of gun control.

You see a small minority of the same posters keep re-hashing their points on a great many of the pro-gun control threads, specifically those that deal with semi-automatic weapons or disgust over these string of mass murder using semi-automatic weapons by gun owners who buy them legally then snap.

There is a small minority of pro-NRA and anti-gun control fanatics on DU most of whom spend their time in the gun control forum.

[rfranklin]

1. What's worse is they don't contribute to funding DU...

which I think is the worst thing. Plenty of money for ammo, no money for DU.

[Lasher]

3. LOL, Homer12 is not a star member

I am and I'm a gun rights advocate, LOL.

[Homer12]

9. Good for you. I hope you are an advocate for responsible gun control laws

Like re-restricting the sale of ammunition in the thousands of rounds.

[Lasher]

14. Reading comprehension fail.

LOL.

[Homer12]

27. Duh!

[DURHAM D]

2. The things that bothers me is the number of juries they have served on.

[jody]

4. Obama declared unequivocally, "I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in people's lawful right

to bear arms. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away. … There are some common-sense gun safety laws that I believe in. But I am not going to take your guns away."

What part of candidate Obama's promise don't you understand or perhaps you are saying he lied?

[Homer12]

5. I guess I don't really understand your point?

I'm not and was not even talking about Obama or his statements.

[jody]

8. If you don't understand the point I made then you and I can not conduct an intelligent discussion.nt

[Homer12]

11. I never said he lied did I.

You implied that I think he has, right?

[jody]

16. NO! I point out his public position on RKBA is opposed to yours. nt

[apocalypsehow]

18. No, it isn't. n/t.

[jody]

22. Then cite where he recanted the quote in #4. Absent that, then you are not truthful. nt

[apocalypsehow]

28. No need, since you are comparing apples & oranges, dishonestly.

Pretending that being able to own a shotgun, rifle, or pistol for hunting or sporting purposes is the same thing as being able to strut about town with a popgun perched in your pants for "self defense" is a gross distortion of the facts, as you well know - but simply don't care.

President Obama was not talking about your NRA-driven notion of "RKBA," or endorsing it in any way, shape, manner, or form, and you well know that, too.

[jody]

39. Assuming you don't delete your posts then the public record shows you lose. Goodbye

[apocalypsehow]

40. The "public record" shows the precise opposite, but nice projection. n/t.

[Homer12]

20. Fine

I don't have a problem with that.

It seems people have a problem with me wanting gun control.

[apocalypsehow]

25. Except, Jody is dishonestly pretending that being able to own a shotgun, rifle,

or pistol for hunting or sporting purposes is the same thing as being able to strut about town with a popgun perched in your pants for "self defense."

President Obama was not talking about Jody's vision of "RKBA," or endorsing it in any way, shape, manner, or form.

[apocalypsehow]

10. That's the "pro gun shuffle": they put words in your mouth and pretend

you said something you didn't, or "answer" a question that wasn't asked. That's the way our "pro gun progressives" do business: 100% intellectual dishonesty, 100% of the time.

[Travis_0004]

13. Perhaps many people on this forum (me included) would not support an assult weapon ban, or mag limit

[Homer12]

23. I support and assualt weapons ban, ammo limits, and mag limits.

Do you have a problem with my support of that kind of control?

[orpupilofnature57]

35. Gun - Nut Paranoia : that Shrub-less feeing again

Most of my intelligent Friends who own guns realize Democrats hunt, police, and go to war, and realize having the police ,military and criminals possessing 100% of the guns, would be closer to a world Republicans would promote.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

6. It is worth a read. At the link, the OP never responds to the analysis by Bill Clinton. I.e.,

"25. Are you seeking to support or undermine the election of Democrats? Bill Clinton has a view

"as to a factor that contributed to the loss of the Democratically controlled House in 1994 after controlling it for 40 years. "

"In his book 'My Life', he explains:

"Just before the House vote (on the crime bill), Speaker Tom Foley and majority leader Dick Gephardt had made a last-ditch appeal to me to remove the assault weapons ban from the bill. They argued that many Democrats who represented closely divided districts had already...defied the NRA once on the Brady bill vote. They said that if we made them walk the plank again on the assault weapons ban, the overall bill might not pass, and that if it did, many Democrats who voted for it would not survive the election in November. Jack Brooks, the House Judiciary Committee chairman from Texas, told me the same thing...Jack was convinced that if we didn't drop the ban, the NRA would beat a lot of Democrats by terrifying gun owners....Foley, Gephardt, and Brooks were right and I was wrong. The price...would be heavy casualties among its defenders." (Pages 611-612)

"On November 8, we got the living daylights beat out of us, losing eight Senate races and fifty-four House seats, the largest defeat for our party since 1946....The NRA had a great night. They beat both Speaker Tom Foley and Jack Brooks, two of the ablest members of Congress, who had warned me this would happen. Foley was the first Speaker to be defeated in more than a century. Jack Brooks had supported the NRA for years and had led the fight against the assault weapons ban in the House, but as chairman of the Judiciary Committee he had voted for the overall crime bill even after the ban was put into it. The NRA was an unforgiving master: one strike and you're out. The gun lobby claimed to have defeated nineteen of the twenty-four members on its hit list. They did at least that much damage...." (Pages 629-630)

"There are some on this web site who want to revive the anti-gun issue. And do so at a time when no Democratic candidates are doing so. "

"Why are you and other posters who are representing yourselves as anti-gun advocates doing that? Seriously, are you and they seeking to either (a) support or (b) undermine the election of Democrats? "

You can easily see for yourself as to whether those questions were ever answered. You can also see whether he criticized "liberals" and "democrats" and then evaded answering whether he is a liberal or a Democrat.

[Homer12]

17. So AnotherMcintosh

Is your point is that those of us on the left side of the aisle should keep our mouths shut, while we want some sensible gun control in this country, at the same time if you have not noticed that that slippery slope of gun violence continues in this country since dems backed off the issue?

Am I correct?

[AnotherMcIntosh]

32. I don't think that you are on the left at all. In fact, your discontinuance of posting your earlier

claim that you are "still a better conservative than most Republicans" does not make you on left.

Also, on the other string, I pointed out that you criticized "liberals" and "democrats" (although you later said that you sometimes vote for Democrats).

With respect to the divisiveness of the gun issue which contributed to the 1994 loss, I think that Bill Clinton is right. I think that we should be doing what we can to help elect more Democrats. Given your posts and the language that you have used to cause divisiveness, there's no way that I can believe that you are genuinely on the left.

[Homer12]

42. Then what am I?

You have know idea who I am.

I do critisize liberals, democrats, progressives libertarians, rethugs, conservatives, etc...

You can think what you want and hide your head that we have righwingers on this site and pro-NRA conservatives which is agains the DU charter that this site is for democrats.

[apocalypsehow]

7. The "pro gun" view has no place on a liberal discussion board, actually:

there is nothing the least bit "progressives" about trigger-happy nitwits who think it's some kind of constitutional "right" to strut about town with a popgun perched in their pants. NOTHING.

Our "pro gun progressives" should be shown the door, en masse.

[jody]

12. OK then show Obama the door and stop supporting him! see #4 nt

[apocalypsehow]

15. #4 is diversionary nonsense, dishonestly framed. As is this reply. Typical. n/t.

[jody]

19. Not so, the quote in #4 is true and anyone who discounts it is not truthful. nt

[apocalypsehow]

21. Yes, so. The quote has nothing to do with the "pro gun progressive" view

of "RKBA," which is the NRA view. And you well know it. But have fun continuing to play the typical silly game.

[jody]

34. You brag "I wonder if gun Nuts & 2nd Adm Absolutest have brains to figure out why people are scared

of them'"

You brag about baiting pro-RKBA Democrats including Obama and want to ban them from DU!

Polls have shown that over 65% of voters support RKBA and polls on DU show similar results for DUers. It's not surprising that a clever politician like Obama would join that group.

If you enjoy losing elections, then support positions opposing PA (1776) and VT (1777) that declared RKBA was a natural, inherent, inalienable/unalienable right.

[Homer12]

37. Jody

So in order to be a good democrat I have to be against any sort of gun control.

yes I baited.

I wonder when democrats stopped caring about gun control.

Obvioulsy they have

[jody]

45. Never said a person could not claim to be a Democrat without swearing support for every plank

in the Democratic Party Platform that in 2008 said
QUOTE
Firearms
We recognize that the right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we
will preserve Americans’ Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that
the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation, but we know that what works in
Chicago may not work in Cheyenne.
UNQUOTE

[apocalypsehow]

38. More diversionary nonsense, and directed at the wrong poster to boot.

I never said "I wonder if gun Nuts & 2nd Adm Absolutest have brains to figure out why people are scared

of them" - you're simply making stuff up.

In any event, what I would "enjoy" is coming to my favorite liberal discussion board without having to wade through reams and reams of right-wing, NRA talking points from "pro gun progressives" ( ), that's what I would enjoy. So would the vast majority of my fellow DU'ers, too - as has been expressed over and over and over again whenever the subject has arisen.

[Edweird]

30. LOL.

[Homer12]

44. Yet this allows for the pro-NRA DU crowd to bully the rest of us.

[whistler162]

24. I usually wait for someone to post

about outing Republicans and add them to the list of likely Right Wingers!

[Homer12]

26. That's funny

But my post history says otherwise.

[Homer12]

31. I've been a DU member since 2003

I have seen this place change, and lately it been for the worse.

There are so many infiltraitors on the site now.

[Panasonic]

29. Just FYI

Was a member of a jury for that thread that was alerted upon - and voted to leave it alone.

[apocalypsehow]

33. That, too, is par for the course for our "pro gun progressives":

wear out that alert button and , , .

[Homer12]

36. Here they are. I never used the alert before. that was my first time.

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:54 PM, and voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Much less questionable than the OP, and I favor gun control.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: What? The post this replies to is more "Hide Worthy" than this one. Maybe there's a context and history to this person, but it's not evident here.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Another idiot alert!
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The post doesn't meet the criteria for hiding it.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: A waste of the jury system. Call the Wambulance instead.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

41. Until recently, his tag line indicated he is "still a better conservative than most Republicans".

Tag lines don't appear on the posts that juries are asked to evaluate. You may not have seen it. However, a self-admitted claim by a poster that he is "still a better conservative than most Republicans" is a factor that may indicate intent with respect to the words used in a post.

[Homer12]

43. Wow! Then get me kicked off.

Seriously if you feel that strongly about me alert on me and ge tme kicked off.

[Stinky The Clown]

46. You can repost this in the gun forum or try your luck in Meta. I am locking it here.

If you repost, PM me the link and I will unlock this thread again long enough for me to post the link.