Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:49 AM

The presence of such a divisive figure on our Democratic stage will only harm us.

History is a fine tutor if we will listen.

Do we believe the Russians will just whistle on by this time, choosing not exploit a cadre of plug-and-play separatists?

This is DEMOCRATIC Underground, and I for one am so very glad we have many excellent and true DEMOCRATS running who have carried the mantle of our party proudly at ALL times, not just use us when it suits them.

Totemic figures of division must not be allowed to repeat their poisonous and selfish dischord, and facilitate once again the existence of the Trump regime.

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The presence of such a divisive figure on our Democratic stage will only harm us. (Original post)	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	OP
Yes, and we will be giving 45 another 4 years to finish destroying our country.	redstatebluegirl	Feb 2019	#1
Agree... terrible news for the country...	apcalc	Feb 2019	#2
I am trusting that true Democrats, right, left, middle, will not be fooled again by the Russians	allgood33	Feb 2019	#90
Good luck with that.	BannonsLiver	Feb 2019	#92
Likewise.	SumDave1933	Feb 2019	#109
I don't think it's going to be that bad. There is a lot more people now..he shall be diluted. nt	UniteFightBack	Feb 2019	#3
He has a number of important things to explain.	Blue_true	Feb 2019	#118
My worry are the young or first time voters. They are being told that	Eliot Rosewater	Feb 2019	#129
The only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves.	watoos	Feb 2019	#4
THIS (and Russia)	NRaleighLiberal	Feb 2019	#5
Exactly why we need to purge divisive figures before they can continue to exact harm	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#6
+1	honest.abe	Feb 2019	#7
"Purge" by definition is decisive. Literally.	Tom Rinaldo	Feb 2019	#8
"purge"?	panader0	Feb 2019	#10
yeah, purge.	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#12
The word conjures up visions on Hitler, Stalin and Mao to me.	panader0	Feb 2019	#13
Cleave away just sounds so awkward. Anything that means discard, reject, throw off, amputate	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#14
I don't think that word used in a political reference	G_j	Feb 2019	#47
In politics, the dictatorial connotation generally predominates	JHB	Feb 2019	#56
it is a form of the equivocation fallacy	Voltaire2	Feb 2019	#113
Oh, they can be even shiftier than that...	JHB	Feb 2019	#121
Isn't it a term more recently used in cleansing diets? I makes me think of getting rid of toxins. N/	lapucelle	Feb 2019	#40
I remember what my doctor told me when I was scheduled for my colonoscopy.	George II	Feb 2019	#85
I'm pretty sure some people just want to distract from the greater point by nitpicking	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#95
Apparently not everyone's first definition immediately defaults to the authoritarian line. N/T	lapucelle	Feb 2019	#98
The word conjures up an evacuation of the bowels to me.	LanternWaste	Feb 2019	#97
Purge his voters too	TheFarseer	Feb 2019	#50
You mean like last time?	BannonsLiver	Feb 2019	#91
Aw, no fair to argue in a reasoned way	JudyM	Feb 2019	#111
I agree, and I'm starting right now.	Iggo	Feb 2019	#143
Yes, Thanks.	elleng	Feb 2019	#46
We lost 2016 with the most qualified candidate in history.	MadDAsHell	Feb 2019	#142
If HRC were President I have no doubt Sanders would be challenging her	BostonBlue	Feb 2019	#9
Russia certainly egged on all kinds of separatists.	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#11
To see the extent of that all one need do is read Mueller's Feb 2018 indictment of...	George II	Feb 2019	#79
So you are claiming that Sanders is a Russian plot?	Voltaire2	Feb 2019	#116
Just a useful tool.	BostonBlue	Feb 2019	#153
Both the alt-right and alt-left	radius777	Feb 2019	#136
He wanted Obama out of office in 2012.	BannonsLiver	Feb 2019	#93
We can all project alternate histories and demand that they are valid.	Voltaire2	Feb 2019	#114
you just joined DU in order to oppose Bernie? Or what?	Grasswire2	Feb 2019	#132
How do you know he/she is wrong?	Alea	Feb 2019	#139
The Russian fascists are the ones sowing disinformation	BostonBlue	Feb 2019	#152
Post removed	Post removed	Feb 2019	#15
Can you list the policies that the party adopted that were Bernie's ideas please.	MrsCoffee	Feb 2019	#17
Were you around for the 2016 convention?	floppyboo	Feb 2019	#19
Believe what you would like. Facts and history say otherwise.	lapucelle	Feb 2019	#20
The level of cognitive dissonance is familiar and disturbing.	MrsCoffee	Feb 2019	#34
I wonder what Cardi B has to say about all this.	lapucelle	Feb 2019	#36
Lol!	MrsCoffee	Feb 2019	#39
I just got his email...he wants 1,000,000 recruits in each state.	lapucelle	Feb 2019	#57
What?!?	MrsCoffee	Feb 2019	#59
Marketed, sold, and distributed through Amazon to maximize sales. N/T	lapucelle	Feb 2019	#64
I got his email this morning, too....	George II	Feb 2019	#84
I just got a followup email asking for money, 229 words but not a single mention of Democrats!	George II	Feb 2019	#99
Cha-ching, baby.	lapucelle	Feb 2019	#124
I'm with you, Mrs. Coffee!	GWC58	Feb 2019	#89
No, you're Wrong.. and NO BS has NOT.	Cha	Feb 2019	#100
You read like a Russian troll. "Hillary corporatism Totem" you say?	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#18
Excellent response! I was just replying to that but it poofed.	R B Garr	Feb 2019	#22
Why thank you RB Garr!	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#26
It does make me wonder how many, last time, actually DID fall for that trolling.	calimary	Feb 2019	#60
Very good point.	JudyM	Feb 2019	#119
It's an argument that needs to be had	radius777	Feb 2019	#16
If we keep our focus on the issues and not the individual we will be fine.	jalan48	Feb 2019	#21
That's why we have to reject individuals who insist on making themselves the issue.	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#23
Health care, climate change, income inequality, social justice, economic justice, etc.	jalan48	Feb 2019	#25
He's a kidney stone candidate. Time to retire from the fray.	BSdetect	Feb 2019	#24
Interesting! Kidney stone. It's miserable, you know it's going to be miserable	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#28
And having suffered from many kidney stones in my life, I must	justhanginon	Feb 2019	#44
lol	shanny	Feb 2019	#27
We just lost 2020, folks. Four more years of trump.	calimary	Feb 2019	#29
Yep....	HipChick	Feb 2019	#145
the 'trash' button works for Schultz and Sanders	Hermit-The-Prog	Feb 2019	#30
In all fairness.....	DFW	Feb 2019	#31
Someone Wants To Take On The Oligarch Control Of Our Country As Their Main Platform	RAAD2	Feb 2019	#32
You mean like taking on Russian Oligarchs with sanctions?	MrsCoffee	Feb 2019	#42
LOL! Also: Someone Who Capitalizes Every Word Like They Write "Presidential" Tweets	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#49
+1	uponit7771	Feb 2019	#88
First off, I have yet to see Berrnie's "wants" translated into "done's"	beastie boy	Feb 2019	#58
I hope there is an oligarch drinking game on DU this time	BannonsLiver	Feb 2019	#94
Please calm down and unite behind WHOEVER wins the primary.	RobertDevereaux	Feb 2019	#33
Well, how did I exist before you, and however will I go on without you?	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#51
OOOOOOh NO,,,,,,	Cryptoad	Feb 2019	#35
Third Party Candidates Gave Us Trump The Last Time	dlk	Feb 2019	#37
The FBI Gave Us Trump	RAAD2	Feb 2019	#41
Pffffft. Fucking idiots gave us Trump, too many of them claiming to be progressive	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#66
+∞	LongtimeAZDem	Feb 2019	#120
No, they did not. Not at all.	Cuthbert Allgood	Feb 2019	#67
IMHO	tiredtoo	Feb 2019	#38
Agreed	RAAD2	Feb 2019	#43
I agree	flotsam	Feb 2019	#52
Agreed	sellitman	Feb 2019	#82
Too many like this....	pangaia	Feb 2019	#128
Agreed	Grasswire2	Feb 2019	#133
As far as I'm concerned, Bernie Sanders is qualified to run as a Democrat for the POTUS in 2020	The Truth Is Here	Feb 2019	#45
So Democrats in the South were "uniformed?"	ehrnst	Feb 2019	#53
BS is only and	BlueMTexpat	Feb 2019	#54
He won't qualify until Tom Perez receives his written affirmation that he:	George II	Feb 2019	#72
Already did. He jumped through every hoops.	The Truth Is Here	Feb 2019	#73
Actually, no, he hasn't publicly affirmed that he's a Democrat	ehrnst	Feb 2019	#75
Subsequently that draft rule was passed by the DNC.	George II	Feb 2019	#76
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Feb 2019	#163
No answer as to what manner in which the South was "uninformed?"	ehrnst	Feb 2019	#81
Here, the South has Trump populism, doesn't want Sanders populism,	Hortensis	Feb 2019	#96
They were already informed about him and the answer was "no"	Quayblue	Feb 2019	#131
jpr: "the dems will probably cheat him again"	crazytown	Feb 2019	#48
I . for one, am very happy to see him toss his hat into the ring.	James48	Feb 2019	#55
It's like 2016 never happened. Bernie does not exist in a vacuum.	beastie boy	Feb 2019	#70
You all need to relax about this. Bernie is not going to be a problem.	Tobin S.	Feb 2019	#61
I can't imagine he'll stick around for as long this time.	Garrett78	Feb 2019	#62
New here. I disagree, but I respect your opinion.	SumDave1933	Feb 2019	#63
And your first post! Thank you, and I hope you enjoy it here.	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#69
The comparatively weak field in 2016 was much more of a problem	BeyondGeography	Feb 2019	#65
If Bernie can advance the issues commonly labeled as liberal or progressive, then...	Eyeball_Kid	Feb 2019	#68
Post removed	Post removed	Feb 2019	#71
"Us"? Harm "Us" ?	Roy Rolling	Feb 2019	#74
It's clear who "us" is in the subject line of the OP.	George II	Feb 2019	#77
The Democratic party is stronger than that.	Autumn	Feb 2019	#78
Harris and Warren are sufficiently liberal enough	IronLionZion	Feb 2019	#80
The enthusiasm and energy that Sanders and his supporters brought in 2016 helped	fishwax	Feb 2019	#83
Don't want divisive? Don't be divisive.	Hassin Bin Sober	Feb 2019	#86
Like your sig line?	Cha	Feb 2019	#101
.....	ehrnst	Feb 2019	#104
++++++++++++++++++++++++++	sheshe2	Feb 2019	#106
+1	LongtimeAZDem	Feb 2019	#108
Exactly.	betsuni	Feb 2019	#123
This message was self-deleted by its author	Eliot Rosewater	Feb 2019	#126
Bernie is a Pied Piper.	PubliusEnigma	Feb 2019	#87
Horse feathers.	David__77	Feb 2019	#102
Russia is going to hack and manipulate the vote the same as 2016	Arazi	Feb 2019	#103
The good news is barring some series of epic disasters	Blue_Tires	Feb 2019	#105
Surely they wouldn't have any interest in the corporate whore media? They don't watch that	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#107
He will face two monumental problems right of the gate.	Blue_true	Feb 2019	#122
Agree - many women were deeply hurt	radius777	Feb 2019	#148
Your last sentence. My perception is that underlay a lot of Bernie's angst against the party.	Blue_true	Feb 2019	#164
He'll be wiped out on Super Tuesday	Starry Messenger	Feb 2019	#110
He may be wiped out before we even get to Super Tuesday.	Garrett78	Feb 2019	#130
He was wiped out by then last time around too	BannonsLiver	Feb 2019	#137
They are already whining about "dnc rigging"	Starry Messenger	Feb 2019	#141
PoC - not the DNC - destroyed Bernie	radius777	Feb 2019	#150
I don't think history will repeat itself. Here's why:	Garrett78	Feb 2019	#146
Excellent post.	BannonsLiver	Feb 2019	#149
Thanks. :)	Garrett78	Feb 2019	#154
I really think that he is going to get exposed early on this time.	Blue_true	Feb 2019	#112
Right wing media and propaganda are the things to fear and fight against.	diva77	Feb 2019	#115
Let this primary set a standard for our democracy at its best.	pampango	Feb 2019	#117
Banning Bernie thus alienating a few million liberal voters may thrill Trump.	pampango	Feb 2019	#125
again nt	Grasswire2	Feb 2019	#134
Already run into some swarmy Alert attempts like 2016.	Hoyt	Feb 2019	#127
you'll get over it	ProfessorPlum	Feb 2019	#135
It's like I've heard that before. "You'll come around after Bernie wins"	Maru Kitteh	Feb 2019	#156
Insisting that your brand of Democrat is the only "true Democrat" is what will harm us.	meadowlander	Feb 2019	#138
"In about eighteen months..." We're about 1 year away from the Nevada caucuses.	Garrett78	Feb 2019	#147
No it is insisting that someone who is a member of the Democratic Party	Trumpocalypse	Feb 2019	#151
We aren't going to win by narrowing down the definition of a democrat and telling everyone else	meadowlander	Feb 2019	#157
What a totally dishonest argument.	Trumpocalypse	Feb 2019	#158
Yes it is. Look up the definition of "democrat".	meadowlander	Feb 2019	#159
Stop playing dishonest games.	Trumpocalypse	Feb 2019	#160
Those are alternative definitions, not a list of conditions all of which must be met.	meadowlander	Feb 2019	#161
Sorry but	Trumpocalypse	Feb 2019	#162
BS is Too Divisive.. the Excellent, Qualified	Cha	Feb 2019	#140
+1,000,000	highplainsdem	Feb 2019	#144
Boink.	Scurrilous	Feb 2019	#155

Response to Maru Kitteh (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:50 AM

The presence of such a divisive figure on our Democratic stage will only harm us.

1. Yes, and we will be giving 45 another 4 years to finish destroying our country.

2. Agree... terrible news for the country...

90. I am trusting that true Democrats, right, left, middle, will not be fooled again by the Russians

92. Good luck with that.

109. Likewise.

3. I don't think it's going to be that bad. There is a lot more people now..he shall be diluted. nt

118. He has a number of important things to explain.

129. My worry are the young or first time voters. They are being told that

4. The only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves.

5. THIS (and Russia)

6. Exactly why we need to purge divisive figures before they can continue to exact harm

7. +1

8. "Purge" by definition is decisive. Literally.

10. "purge"?

12. yeah, purge.

13. The word conjures up visions on Hitler, Stalin and Mao to me.

14. Cleave away just sounds so awkward. Anything that means discard, reject, throw off, amputate

47. I don't think that word used in a political reference

56. In politics, the dictatorial connotation generally predominates

113. it is a form of the equivocation fallacy

121. Oh, they can be even shiftier than that...

40. Isn't it a term more recently used in cleansing diets? I makes me think of getting rid of toxins. N/

85. I remember what my doctor told me when I was scheduled for my colonoscopy.

95. I'm pretty sure some people just want to distract from the greater point by nitpicking

98. Apparently not everyone's first definition immediately defaults to the authoritarian line. N/T

97. The word conjures up an evacuation of the bowels to me.

50. Purge his voters too

91. You mean like last time?

111. Aw, no fair to argue in a reasoned way

143. I agree, and I'm starting right now.

46. Yes, Thanks.

142. We lost 2016 with the most qualified candidate in history.

9. If HRC were President I have no doubt Sanders would be challenging her

11. Russia certainly egged on all kinds of separatists.

79. To see the extent of that all one need do is read Mueller's Feb 2018 indictment of...

116. So you are claiming that Sanders is a Russian plot?

153. Just a useful tool.

136. Both the alt-right and alt-left

93. He wanted Obama out of office in 2012.

114. We can all project alternate histories and demand that they are valid.

132. you just joined DU in order to oppose Bernie? Or what?

139. How do you know he/she is wrong?

152. The Russian fascists are the ones sowing disinformation

17. Can you list the policies that the party adopted that were Bernie's ideas please.

19. Were you around for the 2016 convention?

20. Believe what you would like. Facts and history say otherwise.

34. The level of cognitive dissonance is familiar and disturbing.

36. I wonder what Cardi B has to say about all this.

39. Lol!

57. I just got his email...he wants 1,000,000 recruits in each state.

59. What?!?

64. Marketed, sold, and distributed through Amazon to maximize sales. N/T

84. I got his email this morning, too....

99. I just got a followup email asking for money, 229 words but not a single mention of Democrats!

124. Cha-ching, baby.

89. I'm with you, Mrs. Coffee!

100. No, you're Wrong.. and NO BS has NOT.

18. You read like a Russian troll. "Hillary corporatism Totem" you say?

22. Excellent response! I was just replying to that but it poofed.

26. Why thank you RB Garr!

60. It does make me wonder how many, last time, actually DID fall for that trolling.

119. Very good point.

16. It's an argument that needs to be had

21. If we keep our focus on the issues and not the individual we will be fine.

23. That's why we have to reject individuals who insist on making themselves the issue.

25. Health care, climate change, income inequality, social justice, economic justice, etc.

24. He's a kidney stone candidate. Time to retire from the fray.

28. Interesting! Kidney stone. It's miserable, you know it's going to be miserable

44. And having suffered from many kidney stones in my life, I must

27. lol

29. We just lost 2020, folks. Four more years of trump.

145. Yep....

30. the 'trash' button works for Schultz and Sanders

31. In all fairness.....

32. Someone Wants To Take On The Oligarch Control Of Our Country As Their Main Platform

42. You mean like taking on Russian Oligarchs with sanctions?

49. LOL! Also: Someone Who Capitalizes Every Word Like They Write "Presidential" Tweets

88. +1

58. First off, I have yet to see Berrnie's "wants" translated into "done's"