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babylonsister

(171,048 posts)
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:43 PM Feb 2019

Why Bernie Sanders' radicalism can take out Trump


Why Bernie Sanders' radicalism can take out Trump
Nathan Robinson
When it comes to beating Trump, the Vermont senator is the person for the job. Nobody else comes close
Tue 19 Feb 2019 15.23 EST
Last modified on Tue 19 Feb 2019 21.52 EST


Now that Bernie Sanders is officially in the 2020 presidential race, it’s time to face the obvious truth: not only can he beat Donald Trump, he is also a better candidate to do so than any of the other current Democratic contenders.

At a critical moment when the left needs to unify in order to end Trump’s reign of cruelty and ineptitude, Sanders is the person for the job. Nobody else comes close.

For the last two years, Sanders has been setting the Democratic party policy agenda. His 2016 candidacy entirely shifted the political landscape, to the point where the majority of Democrats now view Democratic socialism favorably. Medicare for All and universal free college are so popular that they have almost become litmus tests for prospective candidates. In polls, Sanders is well ahead of the other currently declared candidates, and at this point he should be treated as the presumptive frontrunner.

Ironically given his age, Sanders has been embraced by millennials – even millennial women preferred Sanders over Clinton. The face of the young left, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, is a veteran of the first Sanders campaign. It makes sense. Young people have a sense of urgency about the future: we don’t want to live in a “neo-feudal” world in which corporations tell cities what to do, nor do we want to live on a ruined planet. We want our children and grandchildren never to have to worry about being unable to afford medical care. We want their public schools to be well-funded and their cities to be above water. We also want to be able to afford to have children in the first place.

The reasons that people on the left should support Sanders are obvious. Since his earliest days getting arrested for protesting segregation, Sanders has shown a firm commitment to advancing a progressive agenda. He’s someone we can trust: he has been “on message” for four decades, sounding pretty much the same over decades of speeches. He’s not someone whose ideals seem to have emerged conveniently just in time for their presidential campaign.

But even those who do not share Democratic socialist instincts should get behind Sanders. He’s a pragmatic choice. Nobody is better positioned to take on Donald Trump. Sanders has name recognition and widespread popularity. He knows how to campaign well, has a network of organizers, and can pack stadiums. He does well at town halls and in debates against Republicans.

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Why Bernie Sanders' radicalism can take out Trump (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2019 OP
... BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #34
Meh, about all Bernie warrants. BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #35
Almost any of our candidates can take out Trump. He's a historically weak president. manor321 Feb 2019 #2
Don't underestimate trump. He isn't that weak. And for those who believe Sanders could take trump still_one Feb 2019 #10
It's extremely worrisome that Trump doesn't attack Sen. Sanders. KitSileya Feb 2019 #18
I think his attack on our women candidates has more to do with his sexism aginst powerful women still_one Feb 2019 #22
In just the last weeks, videos of Sen. Sanders have been shared on twitter KitSileya Feb 2019 #23
Thanks still_one Feb 2019 #24
I saw them ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #26
NO to BS.. Too Divisive. Cha Feb 2019 #3
+1 FreeState Feb 2019 #11
Go away, Bernie. You did enough damage last time. highplainsdem Feb 2019 #4
Bernie Sanders is great! David__77 Feb 2019 #5
I hate to bring up the obvious, but ... NanceGreggs Feb 2019 #6
+1 Tarheel_Dem Feb 2019 #19
Thanks for posting... I especially liked this part: InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #7
At this point in the cycle it's just name recognition Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #16
Great article. Thank you. CentralMass Feb 2019 #8
I didn't even know The Guardian had a satire section. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #9
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #12
lol Cha Feb 2019 #17
+1 MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #31
LOL! Maven Feb 2019 #32
Dunno, Warren seems like a better candidate to me emulatorloo Feb 2019 #13
Joe Biden doesn't have name recognition? Really? The youngest person to ever be elected.... George II Feb 2019 #14
It's pathetic.. thanks for calling Cha Feb 2019 #15
LOL betsuni Feb 2019 #20
He lost the primary last time by 4 million votes, and I don't know any Hillary voters pnwmom Feb 2019 #21
I agree with your analysis. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #28
I am sure when Susan Sarandon and Cornel West endorse him, that will motivate those of us who voted still_one Feb 2019 #29
I will not support Sen. Sanders. He is not a Democrat and has not released his taxes. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #25
I would also add the in 18, centrist candidates gave us back the House. This is sadly a center left Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #27
Not one of our candidates is immune from the Trump/Russia Delmette2.0 Feb 2019 #30
Absolutely! Power 2 the People Feb 2019 #33
I think it is Bernie's authenticity that wins him followers forklift Feb 2019 #36
Authenticity? He demands tramsparency from others while he hides stuff about himself lunamagica Feb 2019 #37

Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #1)

still_one

(92,114 posts)
10. Don't underestimate trump. He isn't that weak. And for those who believe Sanders could take trump
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 12:07 AM
Feb 2019

out in the general election, I sure wouldn't count on that, especially based on the mediocre record his endorsements had during the midterms.

The red and purple state states are not chomping at the bit for Sanders, and my state of California is going to favor Harris, and California has moved its primary up to Super Tuesday

I donated to Harris today, but still am undecided who I would like to see as our candidate.

Personally I think Biden has the best chance to take trump in the General Elections, though he hasn't announced yet



KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
18. It's extremely worrisome that Trump doesn't attack Sen. Sanders.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:33 AM
Feb 2019

He has attacked Sen. Warren ("Pocahontas" and Sen. Klobuchar ("snow woman&quot , but when Sen. Sanders announced, Trump was all smiles and positive words. We all know Trump attack those he is afraid of, and those he sees as a threat. Why doesn't he see Sen. Sanders as a threat?

Lately, there's been a dribble of video clips released of Sen. Sanders from the '80s, from when he visited Moscow. Why are they being released now? Who is releasing them? And why weren't they released in 2016? And more importantly, are there more damaging videos than the ones showing him in his underwear praising the USSR somewhere? Just waiting to be released in October 2020 - for example vids of him in Nicaragua where the audience shouted 'down with the yankees' when the Senator was on the stage?

still_one

(92,114 posts)
22. I think his attack on our women candidates has more to do with his sexism aginst powerful women
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 08:19 AM
Feb 2019

and he definitely does not like it when women stand up to him and call him out for what he is

I am not sure about the videos you are referring to, but I do remember at least on internet forums his visits to Moscow and support of the Sandalistas(sic) were circulating in 2016.


I do find it curious though as you pointed out, his positive words for Sanders, but that could also be part of his strategy because he realizes that Sanders is a divisive source among Democrats, and he is trying to stir that division up





KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
23. In just the last weeks, videos of Sen. Sanders have been shared on twitter
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 11:13 AM
Feb 2019

I won't link to them, as they will surely get my posts hidden. From what I gather, they're from the Senator's trip to Yaroslavl and Moscow, and may be considered...unconventional, shall we say. To fans of the Senator they'll be no surprise, I am sure, but for those less acquainted with him, seeing him shirtless, in briefs, singing Woodie Guthrie songs might be a bit eyebrow-raising. Though not a supporter of the Senator myself, I think it is perfectly in line with the essays he wrote and his opinions at the time.

Cha

(297,029 posts)
3. NO to BS.. Too Divisive.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:47 PM
Feb 2019

Our Excellent, Qualified Dems, who are running, are more than capable of Uniting the Democratic Party and bringing people together.

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
11. +1
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 12:09 AM
Feb 2019

Let’s hope it’s more civil this time. Just the actions of his supporters last time was enough to turn me off (and I voted for him in the primary).

I think the party needs to require a base number of years being registered as a Democrat. Simple changing registration isn’t enough.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
6. I hate to bring up the obvious, but ...
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:53 PM
Feb 2019

... "Nobody is better positioned to take on Donald Trump. Sanders has name recognition and widespread popularity. He knows how to campaign well, has a network of organizers, and can pack stadiums. He does well at town halls and in debates against Republicans."

That's exactly what we heard in 2016 - and yet he never came close to winning the primary.

Apparently the majority of Democratic voters want something more substantive than a candidate who can "pack stadiums" - a skill that never translated into actual votes.

Just sayin' is all.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
7. Thanks for posting... I especially liked this part:
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:55 PM
Feb 2019

"For the last two years, Sanders has been setting the Democratic party policy agenda. His 2016 candidacy entirely shifted the political landscape, to the point where the majority of Democrats now view Democratic socialism favorably. Medicare for All and universal free college are so popular that they have almost become litmus tests for prospective candidates. In polls, Sanders is well ahead of the other currently declared candidates, and at this point he should be treated as the presumptive frontrunner."

There's a reason Bernie is the most popular of all the declared Democratic candidates so far. His leadership on issues that comprise his progressive agenda are finally giving the American people, who are sick of the current rigged system, what they've been hungering for.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

Response to Garrett78 (Reply #9)

emulatorloo

(44,098 posts)
13. Dunno, Warren seems like a better candidate to me
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 12:43 AM
Feb 2019

Accomplished
Policy Wonk
Gets under Trump’s skin

Of course, the Guardian’s MMV

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. Joe Biden doesn't have name recognition? Really? The youngest person to ever be elected....
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 01:05 AM
Feb 2019

...to the Senate (he was a month too "young" to serve, and a month past the eligible age to be sworn in)

Sanders does "well at...debates against republicans"? When? The one debate against Ted Cruz?

betsuni

(25,445 posts)
20. LOL
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 04:20 AM
Feb 2019

Advertisement for a new mouthwash that's the same as the old mouthwashes, just with a catchy slogan.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
21. He lost the primary last time by 4 million votes, and I don't know any Hillary voters
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 04:57 AM
Feb 2019

who are feeling drawn to him this time around -- and meanwhile there are more than a dozen new candidates.

So I think he's already topped out. The same group that wanted him last time want him this time -- but it won't be enough.

still_one

(92,114 posts)
29. I am sure when Susan Sarandon and Cornel West endorse him, that will motivate those of us who voted
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 12:43 PM
Feb 2019

for Hillary in the general election



Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
27. I would also add the in 18, centrist candidates gave us back the House. This is sadly a center left
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 12:39 PM
Feb 2019

country.

Delmette2.0

(4,164 posts)
30. Not one of our candidates is immune from the Trump/Russia
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 01:02 PM
Feb 2019

propaganda machine. They will make a mountain out of any molehill, they will make stuff up and repeat it endlessly. They think up shit that none of us ever could.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
33. Absolutely!
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 01:27 PM
Feb 2019
He’s a pragmatic choice. Nobody is better positioned to take on Donald Trump. Sanders has name recognition and widespread popularity. He knows how to campaign well, has a network of organizers, and can pack stadiums. He does well at town halls and in debates against Republicans.
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